Topic: 70 years after the Victory: Lest We Forget (despite every effort to do so) (Read 6384 times)

The 71st anniversary of the victory is coming in 2 days, on May the 9th.

Preparations for the V-Day Parade are underway. Here one can glimpse footage from various rehearsals:

https://www.rt.com/news/341853-victory-day-digital-parade/

Today is the day of Remembrance and Sorrow in Russia. 74 years ago, on the 22nd of June 1941 at 4am, Nazi Germany attacked USSR.

I commemorate this day, by remembering my grand-uncle and his acts of self-sacrificing heroism. I wrote an article about him here:
http://stanislavs.org/the-road-to-victory-my-grand-uncles-path-from-moscow-to-berlin/

And this is just once of the millions of such stories. Each family in the former USSR has such stories to tell...

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Below is a link to a photo gallery commemorating the first days of War:



http://news.rambler.ru/30563611/slides/

In Soviet Russia, brain washes you!

Exactly. Only around 30% of the Soviet losses were from the military (And a large part of these military losses resulted from the Nazi extermination of the Soviet POWs). 70% of those dead were civilians, targeted just because they belonged to various Slavic ethnic groups. On the other hand, close to 70% of the German losses were from the military. And unlike the Nazis, the Soviets never killed anyone just because they happened to be from the wrong ethnic group.

What you say there is a statistical impossibility. Unless, of course, you are following the current trend, and conveniently forget about the 27 million (of them 18.3 million civilian) Soviet casualties.



Yes, there were civilian German casualties. And I don't know about the Western Allies' behaviour on the liberated territories, though firebombing of Dresden and nearby bridges, which only result was killing of thousands of civilian Germans, destruction of a city for the Soviet Union to rebuild, sending an intimidating message to USSR ("see what we can do"), and slowing down the progress of the Soviet Army Westwards.

http://stanislavs.org/repentance-of-berlin-after-70-years-the-germans-have-an-unambiguous-attitude-towards-the-soviet-victory/


In the Soviet Army there was a clear code of conduct for the newly-liberated territories. Plundering and marauding were grounds for a war tribunal and death penalty. The pragmatic reason: an army that descends into the bloodlust of revenge stops being an army capable of strategic fighting and turns into a group of bandits. There was also a standing order that civilians should be spared as much as possible and all civilian structures should be liberated with the minimal structural damage. Thanks to that Krakow and Prague, among other towns, still stand today largely in their original form, at the cost of additional deaths among Soviet soldiers.

And given the amount of horrors that Soviet Soldiers witnessed on the homeland territories, liberated from Germans, it's a wonder that there were not many who would disobey the orders and refrain from revenge.

http://stanislavs.org/wwii-veteran-stanislav-lapin-i-had-my-own-score-with-hitler/


Towards the end of the war, Germans had hospitals, where they tranfused blood from the captured children to the wounded German soldiers. Children, who could not take it any more, who were depleted were shot...

Thank you for reminding about the children. I am going to write a translation of a few fragments form a book, called "The Children's Book of War", where there are collected notes from diaries and letters of the children, which they wrote down as they were experiencing the horrors of the War.

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Meanwhile, back to the present:

Destiny of Russia and Spectacular Show on Red Square
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2015/05/11/destiny-of-russia-and-spectacular-show-on-red-square/

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Something Truly Amazing Happened at the V-Day Parade
http://russia-insider.com/en/history/something-truly-amazing-happened-today/ri6696

Read on to find what...

Hellstorm - Exposing The Real Genocide of Nazi Germany (Full Documentary)

Let's also remember that the German people - innocent women and children - were subjected to far greater death, torture and destruction than the Nazis ever foisted on others.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMCOKNCwHmQ

Today, the 12th of May, marks the day of the last battle of WWII, liberating Czechoslovakia, when the last 56 soldiers of the Red Army lost their lives.

There is a site, called "People's Memory", which digitalised, cross-lined and made searchable the archived information about over 3 million Soviet Soldiers.
http://rbth.co.uk/society/2015/05/08/new_website_allows_russians_to_uncover_fate_of_relatives_who_fought_i_45893.html


And I found my grand-uncle's war path and orders!
http://pamyat-naroda.ru/heroes/podvig-chelovek_kartoteka1004702965/

The bikers from "Night Wolves", or at least those who could get through the very symbolic obstacles, set to them by the Polish, Lithuanian and German governments, came yesterday to Berlin and together with their biker friends from Germany, Poland and Yugoslavia laid flowers to the memorials of the fallen Soviet Soldiers. People, who congregated on the Victory Day to remember, were chanting to them, "Well done, guys".

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Today’s Victory Day celebrations in Moscow mark a turning point in Russian history
http://thesaker.is/todays-victory-day-celebrations-in-moscow-mark-a-turning-point-in-russian-history/




And there is much more in terms of eye-openers in this article, especially about the American post-war plans for the Soviet Union...

Hundreds of Thousands March Through Moscow in Memory of ‘Immortal Regiment’
http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150509/1021926988.html

Today marks the 70th Anniversary of the Victory in WWII and Great Patriotic War.
Much can be said commemorating the sacrifice of the 27 million Soviet citizens, who lost their lives on the way to victory. But the best tribute to it is in the words and the imagery of the following immortal song of Lev Leshenko - Victory Day - performed by Iosif Kobzon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym4Fy6ZNQO4


Full article at http://stanislavs.org/victory-day-70-years-anniversary-of-the-defeat-of-nazism-in-germany/

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And while the world was celebrating the capitulation of Germany, Soviet Soldier were still dying on the 9th through 12th of May, while liberating Prague from the remnant SS Nazi German forces.

Victory Parade from the Red Beautiful Square will be aired live at 10:00 Moscow time:

http://russia.tv/brand/show/brand_id/59370

I don't believe in cold war anymore, Aliens from the zeta 2 reticuli planetary system shared alot of technology with USA, Germany and russia, the last 60 years of tech is from them, but after it we had some problems with those or other aliens, and a secret war started with them, the cold war was just a fake scenario from USA and the USSR to make a shit-load of nukes and weapons to be prepared for a supposed alien invasion..  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ0UX-H-3YI

Well, yes, Western media and politicians worked over time to create the image of USSR as the enemy, rewriting bits of history here and there, much like they are doing today with Russia. In this regard, it is interesting to watch Oliver Stone's "The Untold History of the United States": it was not USSR that started using the cold war rhetoric first. Also, read the following article, especially the paragraph titled "Let’s get this straight". Much becomes clear:
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2015/04/15/comrades-roosevelt-and-gregory-peck-when-hollywood-sent-its-scripts-for-stalins-approval/


There is a saying that is attributed to Stalin: "A single death is a tragedy, death of a millions is a static".
We see how it is demonstrated hands-on today in the way those deaths are "remembered" in the West:

Merkel will not be coming to Moscow on the 9th of May, which is a real slap in the face of those 27 million people. Other German politicians understand it, saying that Merkel could hardly have chosen a worse day for a stand-off with Russia over Ukraine:
http://www.vz.ru/news/2015/5/7/744107.html
Poroshenko put more fuel into the fire, praising those Western leaders who will not mark the 70th anniversary of the defeat of Nazism in Germany by not attending memorial parade in Moscow.

As for an eye-opener... Every family in the former USSR has a story like this to tell. That's the real eye-opener for many living comfortably today in the Western world.

There is a project "Thank you, grandpa, for the Victory":
http://cpacibodedu.ru/
It collects accounts of heroism and losses of that time, told by the descendants of those, who fought and died back then. There are photographs and documents on that site. It's in Russian, but I encourage everyone to visit and to browse through, maybe with the help of Google translator.

We maybe would have been more caring for their loss if we hadn't been in a cold war with them the second the war with Germany ended.

That is what I would call an "eye opener" - anyone that wants to understand Putin (and possibly the Russian people) might be well advised to read that translation.

Of course, no-one today in the bloated West wants to understand.

No-one wants to comprehend 27 million deaths - how can one man understand sacrifice on that scale, even if the will were there to do so ?



So we ignore it.




Except when the slaughter relates to the experience of the Jews and the 6 million lost in the Holocaust - in which case we are graciously asked to make the effort.

But as for Hitlers "subhuman" slavs - we ignore it.

A bit like Hitler himself might have.

"Night Wolves" put flowers to the memorial to the Soviet Soldiers at Olshansk cemetery in Prague. They will also pay homage at the grave of the unknown Czech soldier on Mount Vitkov:
http://www.vz.ru/news/2015/5/6/743830.html

Meanwhile Germany is impeding their progress, and "Night Wolves" intend to fight the German government in court, demanding up to 3mln roubles in damages:
http://www.gazeta.ru/auto/news/2015/05/06/n_7171089.shtml
http://www.vz.ru/news/2015/5/6/743765.html

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I've made a new translations:

President Putin's account of his family's fighting and survival in blockaded Leningrad
“Life is such a simple, yet cruel thing”
http://stanislavs.org/life-is-such-a-simple-yet-cruel-thing/

Did I ever deny that Poland was a sovereign state before WWII? No. I didn't revise anything. If you accuse me of revisionism, please point out exactly what I revised.
When Nazi Germany started the war, there was no way for Poland to keep its sovereignty. Did Poland have an army that could have kept Germany at bay? No. So the 3 options that I stated remain valid. (And, incidentally, those 3 options apply equally to USSR, which also was a sovereign state before WWII)

Also, Poland remained more of a sovereign state under USSR's influence than it is now under USA/EU dictate. At least Poland's economy was separate from USSR and Poland could conduct its own monetary policy after the war. Oh, and Poland continued to exist as a separate state with even larger territories than before the war. This would not have been the case if Germany won.

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Meanwhile in Europe. The forces that desperately try to re-write and forget the history chose their tarhet - the momorial motor-cross of the "night Wolves". One of the bikers was arrested in Germany and will be depored through Finland. Germany's police also have  photos and visa data of all the participants in the memorial rally on file...

http://tass.ru/obschestvo/1947228?isasaa

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I am glad my efforts are not falling on deaf ears, so thank you.

The official number for the USSR's losses are 27 million Soviet citizens, of them 8.7 million combatants.

However, these numbers may be lower relative to the real losses, according to some researches, who say that there were 13.7 million in combatant losses. According to this research, and cross-referencing the census of 1939 and 1959, the researcher comes to the number of 40-41 million people, when combatant and civilian losses are combined.

Here is an article on this topic from 2011:
http://www.gazeta.ru/science/2011/06/22_a_3671157.shtml

The evidence I've seen so far, speaks however, that the number 27 million people is closer to reality. And for comparison: the total population of USSR at that time was 250 million people.

Not many on this forum would have started a thread like this Nemo - so I congratulate you. There are some great links as well, which I fully intend working my way through. So thankyou.

Its peculiar, but I looked up Soviet WW2 losses not long back when there was a commemoration of the Holocaust this year. There seems to be regular remembrances (in the UK at least - I can't speak for anywhere else) of the Holocaust, I've been brought up on them. And of course Hollywood has played its part here.
So I came to wondering how many were lost by the Soviet Union - because, as we all know, it was the Soviet Union that, to all intents and purposes, won WW2.

And I found that even though it was Soviet troops that liberated several of the concentration camps and themselves lost up to (IIRC) 17/19 million civilian lives, not to mention about another 6 million soldiers on top of this, this loss is never acknowledged in the West, let alone commemorated.

Makes me ashamed TBH

Facts? you speak of facts but you keep twisting them.
Poland was a sovereign nation before WWII, what is there is to debate about this?
This is truth, nothing is being twisted. I'm sorry you failed history or was given a revisionist view of it.
But you keep up with the USSr propaganda BS I'm done with stupid.