Topic: 70 years after the Victory: Lest We Forget (despite every effort to do so) - page 3. (Read 6323 times)

Is that what they teach you in your Russian schools? If not for the Russian and their help in securing Poland Hitler would have to dedicate much more time and resources in that region. If on the other hand Russians broke the agreement and defended Poland... But their move was to be expected since both Germany and Russia shared flawed socialist ideology.

That non-aggression pact was a brilliant tactical feat that postponed an imminent attack of Germany on the Soviet Union at a time when USSR was fighting with Germany's ally - Japan - in Mongolia. At that time USSR could ill afford fighting on two fronts, and would have surely lost. If not for that pact, Europe and Russia would be speaking German now, and China and the rest of Asia - Japanese. Always look at a a bigger picture.

Take your BS to somewhere else. 75% of the German army and a large part of the Japanese were involved in fighting the Soviets. Without the Soviets London would be speaking German instead of English now.

Take your BS to somewhere else. 75% of the German army and a large part of the Japanese were involved in fighting the Soviets. Without the Soviets London would be speaking German instead of English now.

statistically speaking, it was the other legs of the Allied Powers that were the reason for the Soviets victory

On the note of bullet-point 1 in my reply to Snail2... The American ambassador to Czechia made a statement on the state Czech TV, condemning the Czech President for going to attend the 70th anniversary Victory parade in Moscow.
I really liked the Czech President's firm response. He said that he can't imagine a Czech ambassador telling the American president how to conduct his foreign affairs, and that he will not tolerate any ambassador telling him what to do. He further said that the American ambassador is no longer welcome at Prague City government complex.

On the note of bullet-point 1 in my reply to Snail2... The American ambassador to Czechia made a statement on the state Czech TV, condemning the Czech President for going to attend the 70th anniversary Victory parade in Moscow.
I really liked the Czech President's firm response. He said that he can't imagine a Czech ambassador telling the American president how to conduct his foreign affairs, and that he will not tolerate any ambassador telling him what to do. He further said that the American ambassador is no longer welcome at Prague City government complex.

Here are your Soviet  liberators giving nazis high fives in 1939 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_military_parade_in_Brest-Litovsk)  after they together tore Poland apart.

There are many interesting (and inconvinient for USSR fanboys) facts about Hitler's and Stalin's cooperation before 1941.

I like Lada Ray's articles but in this case I'm afraid she seriously overlooked something. Apart from the Serbians and the jews, nobody really seen the soviet army as liberators. They were seen as yet another occupying army and as they didn't went home after the war but stayed almost everywhere across Central Europe to support puppet governments and suppress rebellions, they were actually an occupying army indeed. You see, I can understand when Russian people expecting positive feedback for their efforts and sacrifices, but Stalin and his successors, together with their puppets screwed that up badly. They replaced one kind of tyranny with an other similarly bad one. The memory of the soup kitchens usually fading away pretty quickly when some NKVD trained and supervised state security officer tearing away your fingernails or beating your kids before your eyes to extract a confession about your anticommunist deeds.

The following fragment of a comment by Lada Ray to a reader comment to her post here
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2015/03/26/crazy-asylum-called-ukraine-west-wont-give-us-weapons-if-we-have-peace/
is very much worth reading on its own:

Nazis = National Socialist German Workers' Party
Socialism = leftist
Check & mate.

"fascist = leftist"
-Snail2



Nazi Germany = Fascism = top right hand corner.

Changing the mindset – here’s a very well known historic example: still in April 1945 Germans, based on Nazi propaganda, not only believed Russia was the enemy, but also thought that German army was winning the war and they just had to wait a few more months for their final victory. By May 2-8, 1945, when Russian army took Berlin, Germans were forming lines to Russian soup kitchens, happy Russians fed them. When several months later most Russian troops were leaving Berlin, locals were running after tanks with flowers and tears in their eyes, sorry to let them go. Communist Party took over East Germany not only because Russian troops were there, but also because people rightly saw that Russians didn’t bomb them into oblivion, after Germans had done so to the Russian cities.

Incidentally, UK and US aviation mass bombed Dresden and other German cities into a pulp, just before Russian army rolled in. You would think Germans and Japanese should hate them, but no, best buddies. That’s why hatred towards a certain people is almost always an artificially induced psychosis that has no connection to reality, and most time absolutely superficial, present in a small %age of the population – others are just parroting. People in general don’t think and they are were good parrots, as we see in Ukraine.
Incidentally, Russians don’t hate Germans, despite what Germans did to Russia during WWII. Because there never was anti-German propaganda in Russia.

I’ve been to Dresden – US/UK bombings completely destroyed the city, which had no military or any other significance other than the fact that it was on the way of advancement of the Soviet Army, to show Russians they could do it. Same as they did to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. In Dresden, they used napalm and other chemicals too, so the population would burn alive and die from suffocation. Not because it was needed, but because they were trying to intimidate Russians. Hiroshima was also a warning to Russia, which of course didn’t work, as we know from history as Russians had their own A-bomb in a jiffy. Generally, trying to intimidate Russians has the opposite effect.

So, they killed hundreds of thousands and destroyed whole cities to SEND A WARNING TO RUSSIA! And of course so Russians would have to spend resources to raise the city out of ruins later, when peace came, since it was already known that Dresden would be in the Russian occupation zone. They purposefully destroyed something they knew would fall on the Russian shoulders. Same as they are doing now to Ukraine, I might add!

Who is the evil empire again – and always has been? Those of my naive US readers (not you, of course) who think US was at one point or another a nice, gentle, democratic country, should really open their eyes. The documentaries, with footage of the brutal Dresden bombings should be available on YouTube. I am sure after a search one can also find the documentaries with people all over Europe throwing flowers, hugging and greeting Soviet soldiers as liberators.

Again, this info is very thoroughly suppressed by the West; they may even delete documentaries about how Europe greeted the Soviet army. These documentraries are available in Russian on YT I think, if not in English. I saw plenty of such documentaries growing up, because they were understandably not suppressed in Russia.

(As to brainwashing and falsification of history: I have so many facts – too many, as history has been completely and totally falsified – that I could talk for hours.)

All over Europe, Russia was considered THE liberator. That was when people still knew first-hand who did what during the war and before they were brainwashed. Stalin and communist party were the most popular party in most European countries. Italy, Greece, France and some other countries were leaning towards communism. So much so that US/UK/global capitalist elites panicked and started acting fast to ERAZE THE IMAGE OF RUSSIA AS LIBERATOR AND RE-CREATE THE IMAGE OF RUSSIA AS A VILLAIN. What they will never tell you in US or EU (god forbid admitting it) is that in 1945-1955 ALL of Europe was deeply communist, or communist sympathising, because they saw who liberated them and were convinced communism or socialism were the way to go.

Do you know what happened in Italy? After the war, communists had the majority in parliament, but the country was destroyed and people were starving. US gave ultimatum: Italy will get money and food, if they boot out communists. And Italians did, to get US loans. Same happened in some other countries.

Then US moved in with its MSM. And within 10-20 years they completely falsified history and convinced the popualtion AGAIN! that Russia was evil. The Marshall Plan was a bribe and a dangling carrot for Europe, and especially for the elites. Elites, for money and because they had no choice as they had to rebuild the destroyed continent, all started singing ‘Russia is evil’ song for money and percieved US protection. How’s that different from mafia?
Then US MSM took over the whole Europe and the globe. US was the last man standing, and after WWII, US got control over the rich Western Europe. Russia had to rebuild herself after war, and also drag along the poorest countries of Eastern Europe. And still USSR did better than US until…
Then, certain mistakes by USSR, specifically Khrushev, such as allowing dollar to become world reserve currency, created a time bomb we are dealing with now. This is a long story and has to do with Stalin and his death by poisoning.

So, blaming Russia for not doing enough in Ukraine, or for not having enough influence in the EU, or not having a good MSM propaganda, isn’t right, if all facts are understood. Russia had to fight a very unequal fight, which started long before WWII (in fact, 1000 years ago, when the Galactic Night began). But between 1917, and especially after WWII, this fight entered its acute and final phase before the great Earth Shift, or the beginning of the Galactic Dawn, which we are experiencing now.

At first, for the non-brainwashed Hungarians Horthy was a war hero and later a great politician who restored order and law during and after the communist revolution in 1919. With his leadership the country successfully recovered from the consequences of the first great war. He also did everything what he could to keep Hungary away from WW2. Unfortunately he wasn't a dictator that's why the "hawkish" pro-German parties in the parliament finally were able to bring the country into a war.

Second. Jobbik isn't a far right party. It's a quite nationalist conservative party what is brave enough to touch some taboos, including holding an accounting about the privatizations in the early 90's. (That was what really blown the fuse in the MSM and in the members or the then ruling parties.) BTW they are that pro-Russian kind of nazis, and the only party in the Parliament what supported and keep supporting the DPR and LPR politically and with donations. (You should read less MSM bullshit, mate )

That monument is the symbol of more than half century of occupation, suppression and tens of thousands of ppl who died in the basements of the Andrassy Street 60, erected by the most hated government in Hungarian history for a bunch of honest soldiers but for a lot of rapists, looters and murderers as well. Are you really surprised because of we don't like it?

I thought about your comment a bit more, and I see a big problem in the second part of it. It does not pertain to the article itself, which is about remembrance of how WWII ended, but about a fundamental fault line in Hungary, that can be used implement a divide-and-conquer colour revolution in Hungary. The way you talk about "us and them" and "true Hungarians", is a way to disaster - exactly what we should be on the look-out for if we are not to walk blindly into yet another (final) world war.

There is nothing for me to be happy with - I am an ethnic Russian, and you should remember that the ring-leaders of the red colour revolution of 1917 in Russia were almost entirely of Jewish origin, financed from the West.

Also, I am not entirely sure what you meant by "we are not at all grateful for exporting democracy and freedom for us" did you mean the Western powers? OR the Soviet system (which was definitely not a democracy - an irony, as "soviet" means "council" and in theory implied direct democracy).

The article is about how the outcome of WWII is subtly altered exactly to the sentiments that you expressed in your comment.

Stepping carefully on the steep stairs, I climb Mount Gellert: in 1947 there was a monument to 80,000 Soviet soldiers killed in the battle for the capital of Hungary. You can see in my photos what’s left of it – a bronze figure of a soldier with the PCA has been removed, five-pointed star is removed, the names of all 146 who died in the battle for Gellert carefully erased from the marble stella – a monument was simply made impersonal. And not far from another obelisk to the soldiers of the USSR in the center of Budapest (at Freedom Square), there is even a monument to… an ally of Hitler – dictator Miklos Horthy. And even though this initiative is not coming from the government, but from the far-right party “Jobbik”, the closeness is quite disgusting.

So, now it's hot summers and not cold winters that were a deciding factor, eh. Let's add to the mix that Soviet Union have several climatic zones, including dry steppe regions in, for example, Crimea. Novorossijsk was bombed by the Germans for two years before they managed to conquer the city.

You are trying to diminish the heroism of the people by trying to find whatever alternative explanation you can and pushing the huge human sacrifice to the second row, or even obliterating it altogether. And this is one of the weapons used by the Western propaganda machine - the weather myth is one of them.

Also, now it's Russians and the destruction of their country that is to blame for the German aggression. The revolution, the red colour revolution of 1917, was implemented by the Western powers. Don't try to shift the blame on the victims.

About Finland. They were a part of Russian Empire until Lenin proclaimed them a separate state in 1917.

Before that they were a part of Sweden. They still learn Swedish as a compulsory second language. He did the same with Latvia, Ukraine, Belorus, all of which were part of Russia and started to exists as separate entities on Lenin's whim, seeding the foundation to the problems that we have now

seeding the foundation to the problems that we have now