Topic: 70 years after the Victory: Lest We Forget (despite every effort to do so) - page 4. (Read 6384 times)

I'm just waiting for Patriot Nemo's classic defence that Soviet crimes =/= Russian crimes because the real Russia* was brutally oppressed by millions of USSR™ communists, who all mysteriously vanished when the union collapsed. Perhaps they all went back to Georgia, Czechnya, Donbass, and Kazakhstan?

*However, the Russians can still boast about things like Sputnik, ICBMs, or Chernobyl, which the Soviets could not have achieved by themselves without Russian assistance.

One cannot ignore these brave men who sacrifice themselves to win the war, but sadly history can produce anniversaries of such death and sacrifice for every day of the year if we look close enough at history and choose to recognise them every ten years.. Centenary maybe then... ?

I said it was *BOTH* hot (muddy) summers and cold (icy) winters.  Are you confused by simple logic, or just straining to manufacture inconsistencies in my position?

"German aggression?"  I guess you missed the Polish–Soviet War, and the Bavarian Revolution.

"Heroism of the people?"  Don't make me laugh.   

Overthrowing the Tsar and murdering his family isn't "heroism."

Allowing the Bolshevik barbarians to destroy a once-great world-leading Empire in a civil war isn't heroism.

Aiding and abetting a genocidal dictator like Stalin as he carves up Poland and starves millions with forced collective farming failures isn't heroism.

Absorbing German bullets until they run out and freeze/cough/starve to death isn't heroism.   

If Russians had a higher capacity for being honest with themselves and admitting fault when necessary, they wouldn't suffer so horribly on a regular basis.

Their conceited 'Russia is always right because Russians are the best' bullshit comes back to bite them in the ass, over and over again.

They ate up Lenin's 'death to the kulaks' class warfare BS, then blamed Lenin's ethnicity when the dead kulaks could no longer feed them or their Slavic sister nations.

By supporting the Great October Socialist Revolution, the Russians created the situation which directly victimized not only themselves, but ultimately the Germans and hundreds of millions of others.

Fuck that and fuck them!  Stop being like the Japanese war criminal apologists, grow up, and learn to admit when mistakes were made.

Blaming "The Jew Bankers" is a totally lame excuse, and beneath a people with the capacity for advanced civilization.

You buy into the poor blameless-Russian/guilty Jew Banker conspiracy theory, and have the audacity to accuse any inconveniently anti-Russian facts of being "Western propaganda?"

Give me a break.   

Be sure to tell the Finns how peaceful the Communists were.  They are apparently also victims of "Western propaganda" and mistakenly believe the USSR invaded and occupied their country in an imaginary event called the Winter War.  Silly Finns, they need to stop listening to Evil Jew Bankers!  They should be grateful the Soviet Army liberated them from the clutches of the bourgeois Jew Banker devils, right?

A passionate post by Lada, with a subsequent open letter to Merkel, detailing the impact the war left on her family.

Happy Victory Day, Fr. Merkel! My Open Postcard to the German Chancellor
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2015/03/20/happy-victory-day-fr-merkel-my-open-postcard-to-the-german-chancellor/

The ticket system you describe, was also in place in the Soviet Union after the war, when the industry and the economy were all but collapsed and shortages were everywhere.

Removing a monument to Lenin is one thing (I wish Russian government got around to getting rid of Lenin's corpse on Red Square). However, it's a completely different thing, getting rid of the monuments, and of memory of the people, who sacrificed themselves to liberate you land of the German occupation.

http://stanislavs.org/the-sorrow-of-a-warsaw-woman-why-poland-is-not-happy-to-be-liberated-from-fascism/

LOL The only democracy the Soviets brought to other countries was the democracy of the party (how I like to call it).
In my country they first imposed special tickets, that allowed you to get appliances. Basically you had to wait in line for days or months, depending on what you wanted to buy and you needed an assignment ticket for a lot of it. If you were a member of the communist party, you were getting a lot of these assignments and somehow didn't have to wait in line like everybody else.
This was the Soviet democracy. A sad joke.

I'm happy that people in my country know what to do with monuments left by the commies.

Is there any example at all, in the history of mankind, where the Russians were the aggressors and where they could be rightfully labelled the "bad guys"?

Any example at all? Come on, help me out here. This endless talk of Russian innocence (and bravery, righteousness, fairness, etc., etc.) is getting so tiresome that it almost sounds like yet another military tactic.

I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe that the Russians are always the victims.

If they are always the victims, then why are there over 140,000,000 Russians? If they are such victims, shouldn't they would be ALL DEAD by now?!

Why do Russians control the largest country in the world?

How do the Russians manage to be so successful despite being such victims? Do they have some natural, genetic, advantage over other humans that would explain it? How do they miraculously bounce back from their terrible defeats? Are they so tough that, when the enemy thinks that all the Russians are dead, they climb out of their mass graves like zombies?

I could easily believe that some remote Amazonian tribe with a total population of 500 people are real victims -- marginalised by colonists, and their habitat wiped out by corporations. Even if practising cannibalism, incest, and child rape is considered just a normal part of their culture, they can still be considered victims due to the oppressive presence of >100 million Portuguese/Spanish colonists next door. The same can NOT be said about Russia at any time during the last several hundred years.

I thought about your comment a bit more, and I see a big problem in the second part of it. It does not pertain to the article itself, which is about remembrance of how WWII ended, but about a fundamental fault line in Hungary, that can be used implement a divide-and-conquer colour revolution in Hungary. The way you talk about "us and them" and "true Hungarians", is a way to disaster - exactly what we should be on the look-out for if we are not to walk blindly into yet another (final) world war.

There is nothing for me to be happy with - I am an ethnic Russian, and you should remember that the ring-leaders of the red colour revolution of 1917 in Russia were almost entirely of Jewish origin, financed from the West.

Also, I am not entirely sure what you meant by "we are not at all grateful for exporting democracy and freedom for us" did you mean the Western powers? OR the Soviet system (which was definitely not a democracy - an irony, as "soviet" means "council" and in theory implied direct democracy).

The article is about how the outcome of WWII is subtly altered exactly to the sentiments that you expressed in your comment.

Would you say that the following is rubbish as well:


So, now it's hot summers and not cold winters that were a deciding factor, eh. Let's add to the mix that Soviet Union have several climatic zones, including dry steppe regions in, for example, Crimea. Novorossijsk was bombed by the Germans for two years before they managed to conquer the city.

You are trying to diminish the heroism of the people by trying to find whatever alternative explanation you can and pushing the huge human sacrifice to the second row, or even obliterating it altogether. And this is one of the weapons used by the Western propaganda machine - the weather myth is one of them.

Also, now it's Russians and the destruction of their country that is to blame for the German aggression. The revolution, the red colour revolution of 1917, was implemented by the Western powers. Don't try to shift the blame on the victims.

Yes, they won the election from the left and then ruled from the right, but they also did a lot to improve the living standards of the working class, and also did a lot of wealth redistribution to re-establish a strong middle class.


That's actually not entirely true. The first shot in that war was shot by the Jewish World Congress in early 1933 (in that time Hitler wasn't the undisputed ruler of Germany but only a major political figure) in the USA when it declared economic war on Germany and called for boycotting German goods. As it caused more than 10% fall in German export and the freezing or seizure of some German assets abroad of course it pissed off the nazis. When the World Zionist Organization de facto declared war on Germany in 1939 that was oil to the fire. I have no doubt about that Hitler had plans against the jews from the beginning but without the quite hawkish american jewish organizations the situation could have been much more relaxed.
Later Hitler and the some zionist organizations made the Transfer Agreement about transferring german jews to Palestine but that agreement was torpedoed by the Brittish govt by demanding £1000 fee per immigrant. What was quite a lot of money in that time (about 5 years average salary) therefore nearly impossible to obtain. So I think that was clearly an anti-immigration tool.

Some more details here: http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html if someone interested.

In very hot summers, the winter weather melts and turns into mud.  Which is also not helpful when you are trying to blitzkrieg.   

Regardless, if the Russians had stopped the Bolshevik Revolution then the Germans wouldn't have freaked out and went all crazy.

I took the formulation from here. It ringed true, seeing the hypocrisy that we have today on the global political arena:

http://rocksolidpolitics.blogspot.com.es/2015/03/world-economy-war-one.html?spref=tw

Snail2, I was interested in your reaction.

Do you mean the whole article, also including:

Oh, come on, iBREAKER, you are not THAT stupid. Are you saying the winter weather lasted for whole 4 years, including very hot summers? 

Fix't.

Never forget the rise of National Socialism was largely a reaction to the bloody Bolshevik Revolution in Russia.

The prudent, hard-working Germans weren't going to put up with such Marxist scheiße happening in their country.

Lest We Forget.
I am not a big fan of people telling me what I need to remember.
That phrase tends to be part of some heavy propaganda...

the zionist controlled powers are fortunate the germans didn't hold out for another year or they too would have had the bomb and saved europe from becoming the self hating multicultural sodomite pile of shit the jews always wanted it to be

if i wrote what i just wrote in germany i could be put in prison for it, like i said, some fucking victory

BS. Have you ever read their    election program? That's a massively leftist program. Most of their supporters were the working class, many of them formerly communists. They did a lot for the well being of the working class. Here's a few things. You going to like it .


All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.
The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all. Consequently we demand:

Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery.

In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people, personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).

We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.

We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.

We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.

We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.

We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, profiteers and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.

We demand substitution of a German common law in place of the Roman Law serving a materialistic world-order.

The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school [Staatsbürgerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.

The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.

Please stop that third reich wanna be shit.

Germany is lucky that we lost so early, else the us would have dropped the fatman and the little boy over  berlin and bonn for sure