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Quote from: Adbitco on August 23, 2024, 01:48:39 PM

Quote from: Smartvirus on August 22, 2024, 05:49:53 PM

It’s not unfamiliar to me. In the days when I frequent the gambling shops, looking to make my predictions and stake some bets, I’ve had time to watch some of this sports bet gamblers giving me reasons to see them for an addict from the various behaviors they exhibited at the games.

This was one of the characters I found unusual that the cashiers do allow some gamblers to leverage on. It’s always unsettling for me but these guys don’t give it much concern. With the much crowd that is often observed on the virtual sports gambling, it’s easier to have a gambler run off with the money. So why risk it!

Some of these cashiers truly deserve to learn the hard way.

It's actually unbearable to see that someone would go into gambling shop to gamble and played continuously without even paying was thinking he would win to cover up his lost. But truth be told the cashier didn't even play wise in her role because it's assume there is no law rules and regulations governing them there because I assumed if there were any then she could had demand for the pay before even placing another bet for him.

I believe that paying before gambling is common sense and they don't need to write such rules on the wall but will be told to the cashier. She was the one that took her responsibility for granted by allowing a stranger to continue gambling without giving her a dime. The one I have seen was a known gambler that gambles in a particular bet shop, he gambled to pay his bills later amd the owner of the bet shop got him arrested when he refused paying his debt.

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Quote from: mirakal on August 23, 2024, 07:04:19 AM

It might be harsh, but the cashier faces the consequences of her mistakes. It is a lot of money, and if I were the owner, I would not just take it easy like nothing happened. She might not pay the money, but at least she feels how the owner feels about losing it.

She can pay the money but the owner should not be too harsh on her by allowing her to pay the money in small quantities. She is not earning so much that she can pay at one time. She was careless and she needs to learn a lesson so she can be more careful in the future. The replacement of the money should be taken from her monthly salary until all the debts has been cleared. She need to take her job seriously or she should quit so others that will take the job very seriously will be hired. If she is not being taught a lesson, she might repeat same thing and the shop will keep losing money. Before any gambler is allowed to gamble, they should have paid and not allow them to gamble on credits because at times, people do not know what they are doing when addiction is controlling them.

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Quote from: Smartvirus on August 22, 2024, 05:49:53 PM

It’s not unfamiliar to me. In the days when I frequent the gambling shops, looking to make my predictions and stake some bets, I’ve had time to watch some of this sports bet gamblers giving me reasons to see them for an addict from the various behaviors they exhibited at the games.

This was one of the characters I found unusual that the cashiers do allow some gamblers to leverage on. It’s always unsettling for me but these guys don’t give it much concern. With the much crowd that is often observed on the virtual sports gambling, it’s easier to have a gambler run off with the money. So why risk it!

Some of these cashiers truly deserve to learn the hard way.

It's actually unbearable to see that someone would go into gambling shop to gamble and played continuously without even paying was thinking he would win to cover up his lost. But truth be told the cashier didn't even play wise in her role because it's assume there is no law rules and regulations governing them there because I assumed if there were any then she could had demand for the pay before even placing another bet for him.

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Quote from: Rabata on August 23, 2024, 06:36:20 AM

Quote from: Lida93 on August 19, 2024, 03:36:13 AM

If you happen to be the manager of that gambling shop what will be your action towards the foolishness of such an employee. Will it just be an angry shout or beyond that?

There are many who may be lashing out at their employees due to such incidents. But if I was in that position I would never misbehave with them because as a manager i have the responsibility to look after all the things. .

It is for the avoidance of such catastrophic incidents that some managers act very strict in their relationship with their employees to instill discipline and seriousness and caution in them while on their duty. And I wouldn't blame an manager lashing out on his employee under this situation because if am to be sincere the cashier didn't act professionally.

Quote from: Rabata on August 23, 2024, 06:36:20 AM

I have to accept the weaknesses in my companies particularly security issues. Normally a casino company require maximum security. There should have various cameras form all the angle inside and outside the casino. I cannot cover up my weakness by blaming only one staff for this. Maybe with my power I can give him pressure. There is also a possibility of dismissal with fine. But that employee is not the only one to blame for that incident

Yes we know it's the sole responsibility of a manager to take charge of his station but he can't definitely be everywhere at a time that's why employees are there, so we can't say we have to blame manager for certain employees stupidity. However, it's just a wake up call for them to integrate a better security system within the betshop to arrest the situation from reiterating and also mething disciplinary measure on the cashier than clinging on much blame games.

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Betting shops are places where large amounts of money circulate, each game can only be played if there is money deposited, meaning that when we look at it from this point of view, I think that from the start the betting shop should have prepared a good level of security or meet standards in order to minimize various unwanted possibilities, at least installing CCTV as you said OP to find out a little about the person's identity and what's even better is also providing other security such as hiring someone to be a security guard at the front door to serve and also ensure that everyone does not do suspicious things that could harm the shop.

We must understand that there are always people who have bad intentions in their hearts, so I think it's clear that I will also blame the cashier for being too careless in putting their trust in people he doesn't know, in the end I think this is a meaningful lesson for casinos and cashiers to be more careful and vigilant.

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Quote from: mirakal on August 23, 2024, 07:04:19 AM

It might be harsh, but the cashier faces the consequences of her mistakes. It is a lot of money, and if I were the owner, I would not just take it easy like nothing happened. She might not pay the money, but at least she feels how the owner feels about losing it.

I think the cashier should focus on their job, as she can ask for money first before betting. This problem never exists if they are doing the right thing. It is very unfortunate sometimes that we experience things like this before we learn, and in fact, we can anticipate the situation.
Anyway, if that gambler is responsible and knows his responsibility, he never makes the shop suffer, especially the cashier. Unfortunately, he is too dumb not to see the result of not paying his bet.

Yes, that's how it will end up. She made a mistake so there's no one to be blamed for what happened. I think the only problem with his superior is he will also face some consequences since he is the man who should be looking at what is happening but he ain't there. So, I bet he will also have a share of what is going to be dealt with.

This is a good experience for the cashier though. This time she won't be trusting anyone when money is involved. If they win, give out the money. If they will bet again then, they will have to pay first.
Don't rely on the winnings of one gambler who keeps on betting and makes it like a deposit. That's not how it works. They were only there to help them make the bets but they cannot do this kind of decision.

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Quote from: Lida93 on August 19, 2024, 03:36:13 AM

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Questions for discussion:
Why would a gambler adventure in such a risk knowing the embarrassment he would have received or even getting arrested for it.

If you happen to be the manager of that gambling shop what will be your action towards the foolishness of such an employee. Will it just be an angry shout or beyond that?

Do you think there is any measure through which the strange guy could be identified since there was no CCTV cameras stationed in and outside the shop environs?

This incident, in fact, seems to suggest that the casino is not without its shortcomings when it comes to employment opportunities and even training. If employees are continuing to gamble without being paid, then they clearly lack even the most basic procedures. This is not an isolated case, but it also raises questions about the management of the pub in terms of how they manage and train their staff.

If I were the manager and this indiscretion had somehow escaped Mee’s notice, then at least at the time, even if only for a fleeting moment as I reverted to being a father figure, I would have been angry enough to do more than just get angry. The report, including the installation of CCTV and offering retraining for staff · It would only take stricter surveillance of homeless people to stop repeat attacks. One action they could take is to establish a more effective transaction monitoring process, which would help to reduce the risk of this kind of thing.

It is a reminder of the importance of more careful selection when hiring employees, as mistakes like this can not only be financially costly but also damage the reputation of the casino.

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It might be harsh, but the cashier faces the consequences of her mistakes. It is a lot of money, and if I were the owner, I would not just take it easy like nothing happened. She might not pay the money, but at least she feels how the owner feels about losing it.

I think the cashier should focus on their job, as she can ask for money first before betting. This problem never exists if they are doing the right thing. It is very unfortunate sometimes that we experience things like this before we learn, and in fact, we can anticipate the situation.
Anyway, if that gambler is responsible and knows his responsibility, he never makes the shop suffer, especially the cashier. Unfortunately, he is too dumb not to see the result of not paying his bet.

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Quote from: Dave1 on August 19, 2024, 03:46:22 AM

Quote from: Lida93 on August 19, 2024, 03:36:13 AM

I felt dumbfounded by the stupidity of the cashier as I was speechless to say the least, I just had to tell him that the manager of the shop should install a CCTV camera in the shop to prevent future roguery of this nature.

I think this is the cashier's fault, he or she should not involved his emotions and follow protocols for players winning and betting. So yeah, the manager has the right to get furious with his cashier.

It may the cashier fault or anyone else but its better to install CCTV in every corner to have record of everything that might happen and also to prevent rouge people from doing such .

Quote from: Outhue on August 23, 2024, 04:07:15 AM

Another day another problem with physical casinos, I can only attend one for sight seeing maybe in Las Vegas, but in reality I don't do local casinos, I am not very good with people and I get angry easily, I don't take nonsense, so I always mind myself in whatever I do, staying indoor and gambling online was made for me, because I will never gamble in a local casino nearby.

Apart from who I am it is not even safe to begin with, there are many sad stories about people getting hurt or rob in casinos, you can get into a fight easily, why not safe yourself from the trouble and gamble online with peace.

if you cannot control your self or emotion?> then you must never gamble at anyway , because that will make you lose everything .

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Quote from: Lida93 on August 19, 2024, 03:36:13 AM

If you happen to be the manager of that gambling shop what will be your action towards the foolishness of such an employee. Will it just be an angry shout or beyond that?

There are many who may be lashing out at their employees due to such incidents. But if I was in that position I would never misbehave with them because as a manager i have the responsibility to look after all the things. I have to accept the weaknesses in my companies particularly security issues. Normally a casino company require maximum security. There should have various cameras form all the angle inside and outside the casino. I cannot cover up my weakness by blaming only one staff for this. Maybe with my power I can give him pressure. There is also a possibility of dismissal with fine. But that employee is not the only one to blame for that incident.

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Quote from: Outhue on August 23, 2024, 04:07:15 AM

Another day another problem with physical casinos, I can only attend one for sight seeing maybe in Las Vegas, but in reality I don't do local casinos, I am not very good with people and I get angry easily, I don't take nonsense, so I always mind myself in whatever I do, staying indoor and gambling online was made for me, because I will never gamble in a local casino nearby.

Apart from who I am it is not even safe to begin with, there are many sad stories about people getting hurt or rob in casinos, you can get into a fight easily, why not safe yourself from the trouble and gamble online with peace.

more people do like and are more comfortable playing at online casinos. it provides privacy and also peace of mind from other people's disturbances that might be obtained when we play at physical casinos.
I also think so, but getting a gambling experience by playing at a physical casino might be challenging and provide a new experience for some gamblers. I don't know which is better or safer. even online casinos also have some of their risks.

good physical casino management can create an appeal for gamblers. friendly service and other experiences that are felt directly will be a consideration for gamblers who prefer and choose physical casinos over online casinos.
but regarding the difficult situation that might affect physical casino officers, that's part of the risk. and everything must be managed professionally. if there is a mistake then they must pay the consequences.

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Quote from: Lida93 on August 19, 2024, 03:36:13 AM

Why would a gambler adventure in such a risk knowing the embarrassment he would have received or even getting arrested for it.

From my point of view the gambler was aggressive, chasing after his losses with the bet office bankroll, hoping for a great win. He thought he will be smart enough to have recovered his loses from the bankroll of the cashier and pay them after he may have won, forgetting that gambling is a game of luck and we should not be triggered by our emotions. I guess it was not intentional but at that point that was the only way he could excape the humiliation.

Quote from: Lida93 on August 19, 2024, 03:36:13 AM

If you happen to be the manager of that gambling shop what will be your action towards the foolishness of such an employee. Will it just be an angry shout or beyond that?

I would have said that given him a second chance will be good, but I think removing such amount from his salary will teach him a good lesson to be careful and smarter Next time.

Quote from: Lida93 on August 19, 2024, 03:36:13 AM

Do you think there is any measure through which the strange guy could be identified since there was no CCTV cameras stationed in and outside the shop environs?

There is no way they can identify such person except for only the person that allowed him to play the bet, and of course everyone was minding their business. Then for the cctv camera I dont think it's necessary because I haven't seen that in any bet shop. The guy would have avoided it if he had requested money before gambling.

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Another day another problem with physical casinos, I can only attend one for sight seeing maybe in Las Vegas, but in reality I don't do local casinos, I am not very good with people and I get angry easily, I don't take nonsense, so I always mind myself in whatever I do, staying indoor and gambling online was made for me, because I will never gamble in a local casino nearby.

Apart from who I am it is not even safe to begin with, there are many sad stories about people getting hurt or rob in casinos, you can get into a fight easily, why not safe yourself from the trouble and gamble online with peace.

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Quote from: Lida93 on August 22, 2024, 06:18:33 PM

It's a gross consequence of a lack of coordination in the management of the gambling shop because what I was thinking recently was that why don't they have a policy of pay-as-you-go on each session of the virtual games, it is your rules and it's most definite that gamblers would abide by it because they need to gamble.
I don't think it's in the place of the companies that provides these virtual games to makes those type of rules neither is the time allotted to the virtual games been the issue, it's left for each of the gambling shops serving as agents to have their respective operation policy on their customers that will address peculiar challenges they facing.

Maybe that shop have different rule than the other shop so we see the case is because they don't have a right rule or policy for their gamblers. Having a policy of pay-as-you-go on each session will be a good rule so every gambler must obey the rule if they want to playing gambling on that shop. If they don't have money, they can not playing gambling in that shop and they must search for the money and return to that shop. It will teach people not to comes to the shop if they don't have money.

Although every policy will depends on each shop, they should recheck their rule and modify it so that the bad thing will not happen again. So the manage must check his shop and make sure that he fix the problem by installing CCTV to watch all gamblers who visit and playing gambling on his shop.

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Quote from: bubilas on August 23, 2024, 01:40:41 AM

Quote from: Litzki1990 on August 22, 2024, 11:21:56 PM

Various gamblers face such problems in physical gambling. I have seen that when a few gamblers sit together and gamble and if one of the two gamblers loses the gamble then the losing gambler refuses to pay his winnings to the person who won the gamble. In this case it can be seen that there is a lot of conflict between the two parties and that issue creates many problems later. There are also some physical gambling establishments that attract gamblers to their casinos to gamble but when the gamblers win and claim huge amounts of money, those gambling establishments refuse to pay. For all these problems, many gamblers now use online casinos to gamble because there is no possibility of conflict between the two parties and if they win, the gambler will automatically get his money and if he loses, his money will automatically go out of the account.

And this is a good plus from the casino as an intermediary. Yes, we pay the casino commissions - direct or indirect, like 0 on roulette. But the casino ensures the honesty of the results and the provision of winnings to players, and this is correct.
This is comparable to cryptocurrency exchanges that honestly conduct P2P, and thanks to this we know that we will not be deceived. Nevertheless, there are always those who want to cheat, but the control of the intermediary works well here too, establishing order in the relations between gamblers/traders.

Yeah, it's one side of the coin, the other that we believe and rely on this intermediary when it can do whatever it wants, basically (the expense would be its credibility and more Grin

). Still, you are right.

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Quote from: Litzki1990 on August 22, 2024, 11:21:56 PM

Various gamblers face such problems in physical gambling. I have seen that when a few gamblers sit together and gamble and if one of the two gamblers loses the gamble then the losing gambler refuses to pay his winnings to the person who won the gamble. In this case it can be seen that there is a lot of conflict between the two parties and that issue creates many problems later. There are also some physical gambling establishments that attract gamblers to their casinos to gamble but when the gamblers win and claim huge amounts of money, those gambling establishments refuse to pay. For all these problems, many gamblers now use online casinos to gamble because there is no possibility of conflict between the two parties and if they win, the gambler will automatically get his money and if he loses, his money will automatically go out of the account.

And this is a good plus from the casino as an intermediary. Yes, we pay the casino commissions - direct or indirect, like 0 on roulette. But the casino ensures the honesty of the results and the provision of winnings to players, and this is correct.
This is comparable to cryptocurrency exchanges that honestly conduct P2P, and thanks to this we know that we will not be deceived. Nevertheless, there are always those who want to cheat, but the control of the intermediary works well here too, establishing order in the relations between gamblers/traders.

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Quote from: Smartvirus on August 22, 2024, 05:49:53 PM

It’s not unfamiliar to me. In the days when I frequent the gambling shops, looking to make my predictions and stake some bets, I’ve had time to watch some of this sports bet gamblers giving me reasons to see them for an addict from the various behaviors they exhibited at the games.

This was one of the characters I found unusual that the cashiers do allow some gamblers to leverage on. It’s always unsettling for me but these guys don’t give it much concern. With the much crowd that is often observed on the virtual sports gambling, it’s easier to have a gambler run off with the money. So why risk it!

Some of these cashiers truly deserve to learn the hard way.

Unfortunately, that is true. It's an experience still, but all of us would prefer to not have it, better yet, to stay safe.

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Quote from: Lida93 on August 19, 2024, 03:36:13 AM

Why would a gambler adventure in such a risk knowing the embarrassment he would have received or even getting arrested for it.

Stupidity and selfishness are the reasons. Some people are just for no good, they are living their lives to outsmart people and will not even think it twice before doing it again. What a shame!

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If you happen to be the manager of that gambling shop what will be your action towards the foolishness of such an employee. Will it just be an angry shout or beyond that?

It's simple, the guy who attended to the gambler will be held accountable, after all, he erred in his responsibility, so he must pay for it. The way most managers do it is to deduct it from their salaries. Although they might come up with a plan that will not affect the guy severely, the deduction may be proportionate.

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Do you think there is any measure through which the strange guy could be identified since there was no CCTV cameras stationed in and outside the shop environs?

No way in particular unless those who saw him could identify him by luck if they see him in the future. The guy who could do that will definitely not reside in that neighbourhood, which makes it more difficult.

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Various gamblers face such problems in physical gambling. I have seen that when a few gamblers sit together and gamble and if one of the two gamblers loses the gamble then the losing gambler refuses to pay his winnings to the person who won the gamble. In this case it can be seen that there is a lot of conflict between the two parties and that issue creates many problems later. There are also some physical gambling establishments that attract gamblers to their casinos to gamble but when the gamblers win and claim huge amounts of money, those gambling establishments refuse to pay. For all these problems, many gamblers now use online casinos to gamble because there is no possibility of conflict between the two parties and if they win, the gambler will automatically get his money and if he loses, his money will automatically go out of the account.

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No money, no bet. You have to always get paid before accepting a bet. That stops the problem before it happens.

Would much rather piss someone off for asking to be paid vs being pissed off they skipped out on me. I guess it's different here is the USA as they 100% of the time want the money or they will not take your bet period.

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