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Quote from: Lida93 on November 12, 2023, 04:45:42 PM

Is it not possible that this young man can take a cab away from their location and move to a far area to carry out his gambling since his a compulsive gambler.

This is will be very difficult for him to do if we consider the fact that addicted gamblers are always broke most of the time, because they would have gambled away any money they had that should be in their hands as savings, Now, i do not mean every single gambling addict out there, but i do mean most poor or middle-class gamblers who are addicted to gambling are usually broke most of the time.

So, if the money the man has with him at that moment is only the money, he hopes to play gambling with, then it will be difficult for him to transport himself to another area entirely since he will need to source new funds for the transportation going and coming back home, except he as his own means of mobility.

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Just two questions here:
1. Dis the family of this young man went too extreme in trying to help stop their brother from gambling addiction or not?

For me, they did not go any extreme, the fact that they did this is a show that they love their brother and wants his wellbeing, in some family, such a person will be allowed to gamble and waste away, so, for me, they are just doing the best they think they can do to help the man, they didn't do anything that is extreme.

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2. Assuming you are this young man and you had to run to a distant location to carry out your gambling as you are allowed to gambling within your neighborhood and luckily you won huge sum of million dollars. Would you share that money with your loved ones who were barring you from gambling or you will just stay off from them and live new found wealthy live alone?

There is no need keeping malice with my family as a result of this, they were just trying to help me, if i was or in the man's shoes, what i said is how i will understand it, I will still go back to them and appreciate them for all their efforts trying to get me out of gambling addiction, Afterall, addiction in gambling is not a good thing, or something to be proud of.

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Anyone would feel worried when one of their family members is addicted to gambling. The initial intention was good, namely to awaken the young man from his gambling addiction, but we need to know that this good intention must be carried out in a good way. Because if it is done in a bad or too extreme way as explained by the OP, it is unlikely that a gambling addict will be aware of the negative behavior he is carrying out and this will only make the situation worse and will destroy harmony in the family.

We also need to know that gambling addicts tend to have overwhelming and uncontrollable emotions, plus they are very irritable. So, when dealing with a gambling addict, we are required to be more patient in reminding and making him aware and this must be done gradually, because for someone to be truly aware of the negative activities and behavior they engage in in gambling, times takes quite a long.

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Quote from: Lida93 on November 12, 2023, 04:45:42 PM

So what he family did was to print a photograph of him and giving it to all the gambling shops within their neighborhood and around the locality, threatening that any of the gambling shops they have pasted the photo of their brother should they find their brother allowed to gamble in the shops they will sue the gamble shop owner to court as one that is abetting their brother's compulsive gambling lifestyle.

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First things first, is it not possible to sue the owner for allowing an adult to gamble whether the person is having compulsive behavior or sold the properties of their family to get the money needed for betting.

It is individual responsibility and an extreme family can stop him considering the situation but what can actually happen is if a casino stops a person from gambling when he is legally allowed to play by-laws then the person can sue the casino to milk some money. So all I am hearing is *uck BS stories..!

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Quote from: Lida93 on November 12, 2023, 04:45:42 PM

She told about how the family members of a particular young man that is like a plunger when it comes to gambling, his compulsive gambling is to the length of him selling his personal properties and gadgets to make sure he gambles.

Actions that had reached beyond the limits of the young man began to receive a negative response from his family because his addiction level had reached a high level. The personal items he sells to cover his gambling activities have attracted the attention of his family, especially as his emotional level continues to rise when he has no money to gamble. There are many ways that families can do to reduce their brother's level of addiction, they can take him to work or do other activities to reduce the time for the young man to gamble.

Quote from: Lida93 on November 12, 2023, 04:45:42 PM

So what he family did was to print a photograph of him and giving it to all the gambling shops within their neighborhood and around the locality, threatening that any of the gambling shops they have pasted the photo of their brother should they find their brother allowed to gamble in the shops they will sue the gamble shop owner to court as one that is abetting their brother's compulsive gambling lifestyle.

His family had acted unreasonably if they discovered their brother was gambling and then took the owner of the gambling place to court on the grounds that he was supporting his brother to become a compulsive gambler. The reckless actions that the young man's family will take are very baseless.
Firstly, the owner of the gambling place did not specifically invite the young man to gamble at his place, secondly, the young man had his own desire to gamble. In this case there is no reason to sue the owner of the gambling place because the actions the young man took were of his own free will.

just want to know if you have had any person that's a compulsive gambler. With a first hand experience you would have been careful with your words in establishing that the family acted unreasonably. Having someone you care for as an addict whether to gambling, hard drugs etc, can be so frustrating that you will dive at any possible chance to restrain him from that which makes him an addict.

At that moment it's what works for you that will be counted reasonable and not what outsiders think to be reasonable for all what you're aimed at is a solution to end the cancerous addiction and I think that was what led to the family to swing into such act. If suing a gambling shop that still allows their brother to gamble in their shop will serve as deterrent to others and also ameliorate issues then for them (the family) it worth it.

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Quote from: Lida93 on November 12, 2023, 04:45:42 PM

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I heard a similar story about loans. One guy took unsecured loans and his mother had to pay for him by giving him the last of her money. She ended up writing on his passport "no credit! He doesn't work anywhere!". I don't know how true these stories are, but they make you think.

I wouldn't call it extreme measures. I believe that if a gambler has crossed the line and his addiction is causing problems for the family, then any methods can be used to help him. Up to the harshest - for example, put him in jail or send him to a monastery for 1-2 years. I know that life in a monastery can change a person beyond recognition.

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Quote from: alastantiger on November 13, 2023, 09:13:50 AM

You cannot help a person who doesn't want to be helped. Absolutely nothing you can do. Even if you go for therapy, the therapist will tell you that. The best the family could have done was to put in in a situation where he would see that gambling addiction is damaging and can ruin his career. If I were the boy and my family treated me in that manner, they would probably not hear from me again for a long time to come. I would hate them for life.

The family is treating the person as if he can't make decisions for himself due to his severe gambling addiction. They're concerned because his gambling habits have escalated to the point where he resorts to stealing to sustain his addiction. While it's commendable that they care for their family member, taking matters into their own hands by visiting gambling shops and threatening legal action if their relative is allowed to gamble seems excessive. It's a personal issue within the family, and the primary goal of a gambling establishment is to facilitate bets and run a profitable business. As long as there are no regulatory directives instructing them otherwise, they have the freedom to accept bettors and pursue opportunities to increase their income.

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Honestly, if I were the family members of this young guy, I'd literally disown the guy right there and then, or perhaps if I'm feeling a little remorseful, throw him in a rehabilitation center so he can get himself checked and recover if still possible. Most addictions are brought about by the compulsion and the access to such compulsions anyway so if we literally have them locked up so they can't do what they want to, they're sure to recover. Now if things go south and it really came to the point that even rehabilitation is a lost cause, I won't go out of the way to embarass myself or my relatives and would actually just disown them, it's way easier than that, completely absolves me of every other crime that this person's going to commit as well, of course I'm going to have him be investigated by the police or something along those lines just to make sure he doesn't do anything stupid.

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The gambling establishment or site is for me not liable for any violations regarding the guy who's family is desperate in over protecting him. It is not the gambling establishments fault but the gambler itself specially if they were compliant to the local regulations and permits. That is really alarming since the member of the family that gamble sold his properties just for gambling purposes. Gambling addiction really has nothing to good to bear.

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Quote from: Lida93 on November 12, 2023, 04:45:42 PM

During the weekend I was listening to an evening programme from one our the local radio stations they were discussing about gambling, the effects and how to manage it if you might be struggling with addiction. And they had listeners calling in to share personal experiences or of a loved one that gambles and amidst many callers there was this very caller story that caught my interest and curiosity.

She told about how the family members of a particular young man that is like a plunger when it comes to gambling, his compulsive gambling is to the length of him selling his personal properties and gadgets to make sure he gambles. So what he family did was to print a photograph of him and giving it to all the gambling shops within their neighborhood and around the locality, threatening that any of the gambling shops they have pasted the photo of their brother should they find their brother allowed to gamble in the shops they will sue the gamble shop owner to court as one that is abetting their brother's compulsive gambling lifestyle.

Now, while I was quietly listening to the story in my head I began to ask myself several possible questions and one of such questions was; is it not possible that this young man can take a cab away from their location and move to a far area to carry out his gambling since his a compulsive gambler.

Just two questions here:
1. Dis the family of this young man went too extreme in trying to help stop their brother from gambling addiction or not?

2. Assuming you are this young man and you had to run to a distant location to carry out your gambling as you are allowed to gambling within your neighborhood and luckily you won huge sum of million dollars. Would you share that money with your loved ones who were barring you from gambling or you will just stay off from them and live new found wealthy live alone?

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If a gambler has gone to the point of selling his belongings to get money so he can bet, then that has gone extreme. Whatever measures the family is putting forward to caution him not to continue betting, is a welcome development, because his becoming a chronic gambler, that's not a healthy gambling Lifestyle.
Even if he wins million of dollars, it will still not amount to anything, because of his unhealthy gambling lifestyle.
A professional gambler will always check his addiction level, to create a balance and healthy gambling Lifestyle.
for his family to paste his photos on the gambling shops around his neighbourhood, shows that the way his going about it, it's not responsible anymore.

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Quote from: Lida93 on November 12, 2023, 04:45:42 PM

During the weekend I was listening to an evening programme from one our the local radio stations they were discussing about gambling, the effects and how to manage it if you might be struggling with addiction. And they had listeners calling in to share personal experiences or of a loved one that gambles and amidst many callers there was this very caller story that caught my interest and curiosity.

She told about how the family members of a particular young man that is like a plunger when it comes to gambling, his compulsive gambling is to the length of him selling his personal properties and gadgets to make sure he gambles. So what he family did was to print a photograph of him and giving it to all the gambling shops within their neighborhood and around the locality, threatening that any of the gambling shops they have pasted the photo of their brother should they find their brother allowed to gamble in the shops they will sue the gamble shop owner to court as one that is abetting their brother's compulsive gambling lifestyle.

Now, while I was quietly listening to the story in my head I began to ask myself several possible questions and one of such questions was; is it not possible that this young man can take a cab away from their location and move to a far area to carry out his gambling since his a compulsive gambler.

Just two questions here:
1. Dis the family of this young man went too extreme in trying to help stop their brother from gambling addiction or not?

2. Assuming you are this young man and you had to run to a distant location to carry out your gambling as you are allowed to gambling within your neighborhood and luckily you won huge sum of million dollars. Would you share that money with your loved ones who were barring you from gambling or you will just stay off from them and live new found wealthy live alone?

Share your thoughts!

I know that's their way of helping their loved one that's been addicted in gambling, and I'm happy that they were trying and doing whatever they can to help him. However, for me it isn't really a form of help that is for the long-term. Eventually, the gambling addict will find his way to continue gambling and to sell things that he can so that he can sustain his lifestyle.

An addict will find his way eventually to continue betting and playing without them even noticing at first. They are very creative and very secretive, so it will be a hard one if their brother decides to move to other places. With this, they can't put any restrictions anymore. While it could help on the first few weeks to keep him off casino establishments, it won't last for long. Threatening the casinos for suing isn't really applicable and legal if I'm correct since a person who's an addict is still capable of thinking and should be given his human rights. And that includes deciding on his own. Unless he is a minor or a mentally unstable person, then guardianship can be applicable.

1. It's inappropriate, for me at least. This is because as a grown up man you can make your own decisions, including whether continue or stop gambling. If they really want to help, funding the rehabilitation and treatment might do more help than giving flyers and threatening casino establishments. Afterall, addiction should be cured from the roots, not just eliminating the external factors. Although it could help, it will only be temporary.

2. It will depend on the person if he will share his winnings or not. It's his right after all on what to do with the money. Other people cannot impose not control. Unless of course you are indebted to them since you have to pay your dues.

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Quote from: Lida93 on November 12, 2023, 04:45:42 PM

She told about how the family members of a particular young man that is like a plunger when it comes to gambling, his compulsive gambling is to the length of him selling his personal properties and gadgets to make sure he gambles.

Actions that had reached beyond the limits of the young man began to receive a negative response from his family because his addiction level had reached a high level. The personal items he sells to cover his gambling activities have attracted the attention of his family, especially as his emotional level continues to rise when he has no money to gamble. There are many ways that families can do to reduce their brother's level of addiction, they can take him to work or do other activities to reduce the time for the young man to gamble.

Quote from: Lida93 on November 12, 2023, 04:45:42 PM

So what he family did was to print a photograph of him and giving it to all the gambling shops within their neighborhood and around the locality, threatening that any of the gambling shops they have pasted the photo of their brother should they find their brother allowed to gamble in the shops they will sue the gamble shop owner to court as one that is abetting their brother's compulsive gambling lifestyle.

His family had acted unreasonably if they discovered their brother was gambling and then took the owner of the gambling place to court on the grounds that he was supporting his brother to become a compulsive gambler. The reckless actions that the young man's family will take are very baseless.
Firstly, the owner of the gambling place did not specifically invite the young man to gamble at his place, secondly, the young man had his own desire to gamble. In this case there is no reason to sue the owner of the gambling place because the actions the young man took were of his own free will.

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Quote from: Lida93 on November 12, 2023, 04:45:42 PM

Just two questions here:
1. Dis the family of this young man went too extreme in trying to help stop their brother from gambling addiction or not?

2. Assuming you are this young man and you had to run to a distant location to carry out your gambling as you are allowed to gambling within your neighborhood and luckily you won huge sum of million dollars. Would you share that money with your loved ones who were barring you from gambling or you will just stay off from them and live new found wealthy live alone?

1. The family chose an exaggerated solution that cannot be beneficial in any case. Store owners are not required to take into account the privacy of each player because this is not their responsibility at all. I am sure that the family took this option as a desperate solution after all attempts to recover with their son, who seemed to be going through his worst state with gambling.
2. I consider this question very personal and there cannot be one right answer and one wrong answer. Every person has a nature of his behavior that differs from others, and if you want to answer the whereabouts of the young person whose family was seeking to help him, you must determine the nature of the family members and the relationship of each member of them with him.

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I understand his family why they acted like that and for me it's only natural because they are worried and really care for that young man. They want to protect it from any harm even if you think what they are doing to you is going against everything you want to do.

If I were in his situation and assuming that I won a large amount in gambling, I think I would still share the blessing with my family because it is certain that even if that is what your family did to you, you would think that they only did it to protect you.
You don't need to harbor anger or resentment towards your family just because of that.

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Quote from: Lida93 on November 12, 2023, 04:45:42 PM

Just two questions here:
1. Dis the family of this young man went too extreme in trying to help stop their brother from gambling addiction or not?

2. Assuming you are this young man and you had to run to a distant location to carry out your gambling as you are allowed to gambling within your neighborhood and luckily you won huge sum of million dollars. Would you share that money with your loved ones who were barring you from gambling or you will just stay off from them and live new found wealthy live alone?

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I will not conclude that the family went to the extreme until I know their past efforts to make him become a responsible gambler. I don't know the pains, financial losses, and disgrace that the family has suffered because of this young man. If sending his picture to a different in-house gambling location will help to reduce his addiction then the family did the right thing. They love him and know the best for him, so this action was to help him and not to disgrace him. But he could easily switch to online betting without restrictions.

If he is sensible he would know that selling his property to gamble is abnormal. He also recognizes that family members took those drastic actions because they care and are concerned about his well-being. I will gladly share my wins with them because they care. And such money should be maximized so there is no need to move out of the house. I will still stay with my family to cut costs and ensure the win is invested accordingly.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on November 13, 2023, 08:28:52 AM

It's a big shame if you condemn something and because of money you later accept it, many people are this shameless today, and they aren't ready to hide it, they have no sense of honor or discipline, I have hated some crime ways of making money in my past and that's because it's wrong, yet it makes many pellet to be rich but I stood on my ways, when its a no let it be a no even when things are looking shiny for them.

If you believe that gambling money is ill gotten money then do not take money from anyone that's into gambling, I have seen such habit only from religion fanatics, they take everything too seriously and who I am to say that they are wrong? Maybe this is an escape for them to at least not end up doing the same thing?

Everyone has their own weak points and strong points too, for many to avoid doing bad things they use hate, I know fathers that disown their children because of gambling but generally it's for their own good, but understanding really matters, if your kids found a way to be a reason responsible gambler they are in safe hands, leave them be.

You had totally against your family mate,seems you had suffered a lot from your family memebers.It’s true some family will not respect the people who not earning their family even they are elder person in the family.So the same was changed once they become the rich person by the hard work,but in gambling this type of type of the gambler will get rich using the luck to the game.Many family members was against the gambling because of the religious practice of their family.Some other people will start to criticise you based on the money holding by you,when you don’t have enough money.They will started to criticise you why you doing gambling at less financial condition.So our victory alone the good answer for them.

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Quote from: Natsuu on November 13, 2023, 05:51:26 AM

For me it feels like the family went a bit overboard with the whole distributing-the-photo-to-gambling-shops move. It doesnt feel like family at all. I get they want to help, but it might not be the most practical solution. Addiction is tricky and putting a face on it doesn't always solve the deeper issue. Maybe a more supportive and professional approach could do the trick.

I believe his family already warn him and gave many advice in order to stop gambling, but he's stubborn and keep gamble, this way his family did this. If he's really mad because his family is try anything to stop him to gamble, he could move to other city and no one can disturb him.

I think the better way is make sure every of his assets use his family name, it could be his wife, mother, father etc. So whenever he has spent all of his money, it will not give a bad effect to his family.

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You cannot help a person who doesn't want to be helped. Absolutely nothing you can do. Even if you go for therapy, the therapist will tell you that. The best the family could have done was to put in in a situation where he would see that gambling addiction is damaging and can ruin his career. If I were the boy and my family treated me in that manner, they would probably not hear from me again for a long time to come. I would hate them for life.

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Quote from: Lida93 on November 12, 2023, 04:45:42 PM

~~~threatening that any of the gambling shops they have pasted the photo of their brother should they find their brother allowed to gamble in the shops they will sue the gamble shop owner to court as one that is abetting their brother's compulsive gambling lifestyle.

This doesn't make sense----how can a gambling shop be sued for letting people play? They're a business, and winning is essential for their profitability. They welcome anyone, regardless of whether the gambler has a problem or not. Threatening legal action against a gambling shop could have serious consequences for the addicted gambler's family. They might end up being counter-sued and have to pay damages. It seems like they don't fully grasp the situation, perhaps out of desperation.

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Quote from: swogerino on November 13, 2023, 07:24:33 AM

Quote from: Lida93 on November 12, 2023, 04:45:42 PM

During the weekend I was listening to an evening programme from one our the local radio stations they were discussing about gambling, the effects and how to manage it if you might be struggling with addiction. And they had listeners calling in to share personal experiences or of a loved one that gambles and amidst many callers there was this very caller story that caught my interest and curiosity.

She told about how the family members of a particular young man that is like a plunger when it comes to gambling, his compulsive gambling is to the length of him selling his personal properties and gadgets to make sure he gambles. So what he family did was to print a photograph of him and giving it to all the gambling shops within their neighborhood and around the locality, threatening that any of the gambling shops they have pasted the photo of their brother should they find their brother allowed to gamble in the shops they will sue the gamble shop owner to court as one that is abetting their brother's compulsive gambling lifestyle.

Now, while I was quietly listening to the story in my head I began to ask myself several possible questions and one of such questions was; is it not possible that this young man can take a cab away from their location and move to a far area to carry out his gambling since his a compulsive gambler.

Just two questions here:
1. Dis the family of this young man went too extreme in trying to help stop their brother from gambling addiction or not?

2. Assuming you are this young man and you had to run to a distant location to carry out your gambling as you are allowed to gambling within your neighborhood and luckily you won huge sum of million dollars. Would you share that money with your loved ones who were barring you from gambling or you will just stay off from them and live new found wealthy live alone?

Share your thoughts!

I must say this guy is not the smartest of them,selling his wealth to gamble is plain stupid from a logical perspective.It is much better to rent those properties if he cannot manage them or sell them in order to build something new,some new business out of those money.

The point of view or logical thinking must always be done in any case, especially when we are solving a problem, none other than because it is with a healthy and logical mindset that we will be able to find the right solution to overcome everything. With this then I can already conclude that those who are willing to sell their wealth just to gamble then they are one of the people whose brains and minds are abnormal and disturbed. That's a very appropriate statement for stupid people who are willing to spend everything they have on a place that only relies on luck and there is no guarantee for them to recover or return or even get a bigger amount for the large capital they are willing to spend. Yes that's right, in this case I do see that the middle way that should be done if they are no longer able to manage their property assets then it is better to rent it out or sell it to someone else, that way you will get money for sure every month or year when a tenant pays rent for the property you have, it's better and more reasonable.

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I don't think the family has gone too far from threatening the casinos and sue them once they have allowed their family member to gamble. It's an initial reaction from a family and if they can't stop him from gambling and selling all his properties, probably talking to the casino shop owner is the last option. However, this is not enough reason that they will sue the casino for that, they can only do that if they can prove that the casino has been performing against the rules and is creating their own rule for their personal aims and goals.

In addition, to answer the second question, even if your family has not supported your gambling habit all the way, but you can't just easily erase the fact that family will always be a family. The one you can rely on when everything are turning backs on you. And if they don't tolerate your gambling addiction, that's because they don't want you to end up being harmed and homeless. With that, still be thankful for them and share whatever you are capable to share, even if it's the money you won from gambling.

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