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it's hard to win a case if that happens to me of course I can't do anything when a lottery company doesn't want to pay my prize, because if I have to take this to court it won't make me win if I lose let alone don't have enough evidence maybe it could be eliminated by the owner of the lottery company, of course I will be sued for defamation, so I thought looking for a better lottery company would be very profitable and just let the cheating happen
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Whatever the result would be, we can't deny the fact that it will still affect the trust rate of the said casino.

the problem is that this is a case where there won't be much on TV channels, newspapers and radios so people just listen to this news for 1 or 2 days and then they forget about it all, and days later the game company starts advertising the lottery and people start buying tickets as if nothing had happened, and if there is a winner who has won a prize that is not high, the company will pay the winner and with that they discredit that person who won and was not paid , this is the disgusting scheme that companies from poor countries do because justice is very slow and ineffective

I believe the best thing for this case to be noticed is to tap known political personalities and ask for their help.  The politicians needs a lot of attention to have their ratings go up so I think the plan won't fail and probably it will be brought to the administrative level where the hearings is broadcast worldwide.  It is ok if the issue is forgotten after a month or two as long as the winner get his prize.

In case the accusation would be proven wrong

getting proof will be an almost impossible mission, I doubt he will get proof and get paid, this is yet another case that will end up forgotten by time

The deletion of the record itself is clear proof.  As long as the player has his ticket or receipt I believe he has a strong argument.
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There are several situations known in which lotteries do not want to pay out. I don't remember which country it was, but there was once an organization that didn't want to pay out a jackpot because the organization couldn't write off a direct debit from a candidate. So officially it was not a lottery win, because he was not part of the program at that time. I believe that it even came to a court case, in which the organization was found in the right. That cost the customer millions of euros at the time. Justice or not?
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Whatever the result would be, we can't deny the fact that it will still affect the trust rate of the said casino.

the problem is that this is a case where there won't be much on TV channels, newspapers and radios so people just listen to this news for 1 or 2 days and then they forget about it all, and days later the game company starts advertising the lottery and people start buying tickets as if nothing had happened, and if there is a winner who has won a prize that is not high, the company will pay the winner and with that they discredit that person who won and was not paid , this is the disgusting scheme that companies from poor countries do because justice is very slow and ineffective

Many players will have doubts and may switch to other casinos because of the fear that the same thing might happen to them.

this is not a casino, it's just a company that keeps doing lottery draws, and as I said, people quickly forget, they must already be buying lottery tickets from the same company that is being accused by that person who was not paid, what justice system in poor countries is very slow, expensive and this lottery company has room to continue running its services as if nothing had happened

In case the accusation would be proven wrong

getting proof will be an almost impossible mission, I doubt he will get proof and get paid, this is yet another case that will end up forgotten by time
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Firstly I wish I can be updated about the court rulings of this case if possible because I will really love to know the outcome of the full ruling of the court. One thing is certain that no matter what the whatever the ruling is, the casino has lost a great percentage of its customer's trust and I do think the player has a great edge of winning the case provided he has a sound lawyer and all the necessary proves and aswell an incorruptible judge because in a country like Nigeria, the company has every possibility of buying their way through by possibly bribing the judge with offered amount the accuser rejected

I follow the progress of this case. however, it seems that the Op did not proceed with the continuation of the trial results of the lottery winner's lawsuit.  So far, no new links or news.
However, despite this. I do not agree with you, before there is a decision from the court. we will never know whether or not it will affect the reputation of the lottery company. the reason is, this case happened in Nigeria, we don't know what really happened. it's good, we do not assume too far especially with the statement that the court can be bribed.
I think your statement is like the judge himself without knowing the real facts. so, just let the court will give its decision. let's just wait how this case goes, after the Op provides a new link about this case.
Whatever the result would be, we can't deny the fact that it will still affect the trust rate of the said casino. Many players will have doubts and may switch to other casinos because of the fear that the same thing might happen to them. In case the accusation would be proven wrong, the site can rebuild their reputation again but it can't still erase the issue completely. If they will be proven guilty, they have to pay the higher cost of damages to the gambler.
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Firstly I wish I can be updated about the court rulings of this case if possible because I will really love to know the outcome of the full ruling of the court. One thing is certain that no matter what the whatever the ruling is, the casino has lost a great percentage of its customer's trust and I do think the player has a great edge of winning the case provided he has a sound lawyer and all the necessary proves and aswell an incorruptible judge because in a country like Nigeria, the company has every possibility of buying their way through by possibly bribing the judge with offered amount the accuser rejected

I have heard a lot about Nigeria and the way in which some businesses can be managed, and if Nigeria is like that then it is not very far from the South American countries that also work under the same lens, it is curious to find courts where there are judges with a high sense of professional ethics, because they are all comparable, although in the country where I live, the high-ranking judges, I am talking about magistrates who do not give in to the requests of someone with a lot of power, simply kill him and make everything look as if he had committed suicide Or a common kid, that's how it is here, and the way it works here, I don't think Nigeria is very far away, and the only way to win a case quickly is to spend a lot of money, I think that's perhaps what is required if a system it's already corrupted.
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Firstly I wish I can be updated about the court rulings of this case if possible because I will really love to know the outcome of the full ruling of the court. One thing is certain that no matter what the whatever the ruling is, the casino has lost a great percentage of its customer's trust and I do think the player has a great edge of winning the case provided he has a sound lawyer and all the necessary proves and aswell an incorruptible judge because in a country like Nigeria, the company has every possibility of buying their way through by possibly bribing the judge with offered amount the accuser rejected

I follow the progress of this case. however, it seems that the Op did not proceed with the continuation of the trial results of the lottery winner's lawsuit.  So far, no new links or news.
However, despite this. I do not agree with you, before there is a decision from the court. we will never know whether or not it will affect the reputation of the lottery company. the reason is, this case happened in Nigeria, we don't know what really happened. it's good, we do not assume too far especially with the statement that the court can be bribed.
I think your statement is like the judge himself without knowing the real facts. so, just let the court will give its decision. let's just wait how this case goes, after the Op provides a new link about this case.
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I really do hope as well that the court will side on the supposedly winner of the lottery because he has already exerted a lot of time, effort, and money just to win this case.

all people when playing the lottery are given a ticket, probably that winner must have the ticket with him, but if the lottery result was not disclosed on social networks, it was not disclosed on TV and radio or newspapers or some other means of communication in which two or more people besides the winner have a visa to serve as witnesses, so it will be very difficult for the winner to prove anything, because the guys who will organize the lottery say that there is nothing in the system, if there is nothing in the system then there is just the winner's ticket, some proof will be needed and the only proof for the court of reason to the winner would be if he had some video showing that the guys who organized the lottery disclosed that that ticket he has was the winning ticket of the lottery , without proof the court will be unable to do anything

Justice system of the country in which OP is residing to also plays a great role in the outcome of this issue because if a country's justice system is fucked up, then there's a little chance that the one telling the truth will win. This is because money and power could buy anything if the authorities who are in charge are all rotten. Hopefully, we'll be updated with this issue and really rooting for him to win because a money should be honored to whom it's due.

in this case, I even believe that even if the company that organizes the lottery has a lot of power and manages to corrupt anyone, if that company, on the day that it was announcing the winner of the lottery, used means of communication such as: TV, Radio, social networks like instagram, twitter and facebook so the winner only needs to take a picture if it's social media or go look for a video on youtube if it was released on tv, if it's radio and it could be complicated to have the audio of the day of the announcement and in this part the company could corrupt the radio employees to delete everything, but they would not be able to corrupt it in court if the winner presents proof
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I came across a story on this thread about a lottery company refusing to make payments to a player who legally played a game with about $690 and won over $160,000 but was denied payment on the grounds that his winning data has been wiped out of their system.
Below is the link to the original story.
https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/
Link to the topic
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61175078.

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?


  Whether or not they win this case, the gambling house is already bound to lose a great percentage of their customers. The fact that the headlines imply they refuse to pay is already something that would not sound great to the people's ears. In a country like Nigeria, they could easily bribe their way out of the case and bag themselves a win, but this guy's bound to lose them a lot of potential gamblers in the process, so really, whatever they say inside and outside the court, I don't think the end's gonna sit well for them.
Firstly I wish I can be updated about the court rulings of this case if possible because I will really love to know the outcome of the full ruling of the court. One thing is certain that no matter what the whatever the ruling is, the casino has lost a great percentage of its customer's trust and I do think the player has a great edge of winning the case provided he has a sound lawyer and all the necessary proves and aswell an incorruptible judge because in a country like Nigeria, the company has every possibility of buying their way through by possibly bribing the judge with offered amount the accuser rejected
Agreed, if any updates about this case could be made that will really be great for us who are keen at observing how this goes. Not only is this case a testament to how much power gambling companies have over your money once you clicked that deposit, but also how the justice system of Nigeria goes.
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Firstly I wish I can be updated about the court rulings of this case if possible because I will really love to know the outcome of the full ruling of the court. One thing is certain that no matter what the whatever the ruling is, the casino has lost a great percentage of its customer's trust and I do think the player has a great edge of winning the case provided he has a sound lawyer and all the necessary proves and aswell an incorruptible judge because in a country like Nigeria, the company has every possibility of buying their way through by possibly bribing the judge with offered amount the accuser rejected

This makes sense.

I really do hope as well that the court will side on the supposedly winner of the lottery because he has already exerted a lot of time, effort, and money just to win this case. It will not be easy because there are certain procedures and processes that has to be done in order to uncover the truth. But if the player has enough proofs and evidences to back up his claim that he indeed won, then there should be a smooth judgement and decision in ruling based on the gathered pieces of information.

Justice system of the country in which OP is residing to also plays a great role in the outcome of this issue because if a country's justice system is fucked up, then there's a little chance that the one telling the truth will win. This is because money and power could buy anything if the authorities who are in charge are all rotten. Hopefully, we'll be updated with this issue and really rooting for him to win because a money should be honored to whom it's due.
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I think it is better to put this on court so it will be fair for the both parties involve, if the company wins and their claims that the player is cheating since as per then he has a history of it then that man should not get is jackpot and also he must be banned in every casinos or gambling site and if the player is correct, that company should pay him as well and pay some damage fee because they are bigger entity than him.
I agree with you there which it is indeed fair for both parties to determine which side is lying and which side is telling the truth. It is hard to know if someone is telling the truth if the supposedly the victim is telling the truth and with evidence unlike if you are telling something without proof of backing up what you want to say. Let's say, you are a scammer and what proof do I have?, Nothing right?. It's also pointless to put it on court if you don't have proof in my opinion. It is much better if you can prove that they are not paying and a proof that no cheat are used.

Well, it's difficult, tests in casinos like that, if they didn't do it, how could it be done then? there in these cases I think that whoever can have the record of those plays would be an additional server that they should have in the casino, but obviously they will not say it, I think that those casinos that rob people how can they survive? of the new players who do not know much and take advantage of them? I have seen that what they do is find a way for more people to enter and it does not stop possible hacking or security problems, I would make many backups of everything that happens in the day, how much was entered and how much was paid and who was the player who lasted the longest and won... the winnings in a casino must be paid to his client, it is the duty to be.
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Firstly I wish I can be updated about the court rulings of this case if possible because I will really love to know the outcome of the full ruling of the court. One thing is certain that no matter what the whatever the ruling is, the casino has lost a great percentage of its customer's trust and I do think the player has a great edge of winning the case provided he has a sound lawyer and all the necessary proves and aswell an incorruptible judge because in a country like Nigeria, the company has every possibility of buying their way through by possibly bribing the judge with offered amount the accuser rejected
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I agree with you there which it is indeed fair for both parties to determine which side is lying and which side is telling the truth. It is hard to know if someone is telling the truth if the supposedly the victim is telling the truth and with evidence unlike if you are telling something without proof of backing up what you want to say.
When it's already in the court, both of them can still lie but the one who's telling the truth will prevail. They can't lie to the court if there's evidence of whom is telling the court. Where can we see the progress and updates for this case?

Let's say, you are a scammer and what proof do I have?, Nothing right?. It's also pointless to put it on court if you don't have proof in my opinion. It is much better if you can prove that they are not paying and a proof that no cheat are used.
The complainant can ask for an investigation to look after their system if there really is an irregularity that has happened during the time he's won big.
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I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?



They should announce what irregularity it is so that many people would know that there reason to void or to stop the winner to claim his winnings. If they cannot give good answer with this then maybe we can say that they are avoiding to pay that huge amount of money or they don't have enough funds to cover up that amount. That could ruin their reputation if things didn't well explain to the public.
This is one of the major problems of some crypto casinos when it comes to paying winners there funds. Although I don't always blame most casinos because they may not have the fund to pay the winner mostly when the fund is very big. This is a game if luck and I think anybody that grab the luck need to be paid. It is not that easy for a casino that has small fund in there reserve to big such big amount of money but they needed to negotiate with the winner so that the matter will not go viral for people to tarnish the image of the casino. Wisdom need to be applicable here not waiting to go to court.
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True besides it is impossible for the information about the winning draw event has been deleted in normal circumstances.  Besides, I believe there is a central server where outlets put their information and backups so it is impossible for the records to get wiped out totally.  It is money and it is essential that all documents will have a backup in case a server becomes faulty.

If there's a problem with the system especially related to databases or records which are considered very important stuff in a lottery, that would lead to a serious investigation because people's money is at risk. Since there's a bribed attempt, that means the system is running fine and smooth but it turned out that the lottery tried to at least turn the table upside down in their favor.

Since there's no shared progress or any update about the case, I just hoped that the case will be judged fairly as I'm sure an attempt to also bribed the authorities that handle the case do have a big possibility.
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If there are really irregularities in the bet then they have the right not to pay the player, if the player believes he played in good faith and has not resorted to cheating then he has all the right to claim the money, based on the article its already in court so it's better that they wait for the decision.

For a company to be in charge in court on denying payment is not good for its reputation and the name will be further damaged if they are found guilty of denying payment, the government should step in to check if this company is holding its lottery in a fair manner.

I agree. If the casino or lottery company find irregularities in the bet made by the player, it is just right and just to deny the awarding of prize and forfeiting their entry. That is because any activity proven to be fraud or involving illegal activities shall be punished accordingly.

However, if there's none and the casino or lottery company is just finding way to escape their responsibility of awarding the prize to the winners, then they must pay the prize of deceiving the players and wasting their time. It is the responsibility of the company to always double check every entry that will be made and it's their duty to give the payment to whom it's due.

It is obvious that the lottery company is making excuses to pay the bettor his winnings. They offered him money when he went to report it to the police and when he filed a case to the court. The company is inconsistent with their excuse saying their database is deleted and soon accusing the winner with irregularities. I hope that the bettor wins the case so the lottery company can stop operating.
With that alone, then you could really tell that they dont have any plans on giving the winning amount overall or in total which they are trying out to bribe you with those amount for some settlement for you to
stop on doing that legal action thing which does indicate that they arent paying at all or would really be just having no funds? There are only two probabilities but as a winner then you do have the full rights
on claiming those wins since you had played on a right way which it is really that something that belong to yours.This is the importance of things to consider out first
before depositing into a site or platform.So you should need to think up and decide the right way.
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They should announce what irregularity it is so that many people would know that there reason to void or to stop the winner to claim his winnings. If they cannot give good answer with this then maybe we can say that they are avoiding to pay that huge amount of money or they don't have enough funds to cover up that amount. That could ruin their reputation if things didn't well explain to the public.

The irregularity is something like winning several times in a row at the same outlet.  I don't know why they considered it irregularities while the victim had been playing and betting on that outlet for so many years.  It is common sense that the person will surely win on that same outlet because he always bet there.

It is obvious that the lottery company is making excuses to pay the bettor his winnings. They offered him money when he went to report it to the police and when he filed a case to the court. The company is inconsistent with their excuse saying their database is deleted and soon accusing the winner with irregularities. I hope that the bettor wins the case so the lottery company can stop operating.

True besides it is impossible for the information about the winning draw event has been deleted in normal circumstances.  Besides, I believe there is a central server where outlets put their information and backups so it is impossible for the records to get wiped out totally.  It is money and it is essential that all documents will have a backup in case a server becomes faulty.

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If there are really irregularities in the bet then they have the right not to pay the player, if the player believes he played in good faith and has not resorted to cheating then he has all the right to claim the money, based on the article its already in court so it's better that they wait for the decision.

For a company to be in charge in court on denying payment is not good for its reputation and the name will be further damaged if they are found guilty of denying payment, the government should step in to check if this company is holding its lottery in a fair manner.

I agree. If the casino or lottery company find irregularities in the bet made by the player, it is just right and just to deny the awarding of prize and forfeiting their entry. That is because any activity proven to be fraud or involving illegal activities shall be punished accordingly.

However, if there's none and the casino or lottery company is just finding way to escape their responsibility of awarding the prize to the winners, then they must pay the prize of deceiving the players and wasting their time. It is the responsibility of the company to always double check every entry that will be made and it's their duty to give the payment to whom it's due.

It is obvious that the lottery company is making excuses to pay the bettor his winnings. They offered him money when he went to report it to the police and when he filed a case to the court. The company is inconsistent with their excuse saying their database is deleted and soon accusing the winner with irregularities. I hope that the bettor wins the case so the lottery company can stop operating.
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The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

What may be the irregularities the company is blaming the winner for. They seem just interested in denying the winner his prize, in my opinion. It seems strange to now accuse the winner of irregularities after they have been charged to court, after previously alleging that the system had deleted their winning data. Inquisitive investigation should be done by the court, and those who deserve it should receive justice.
So far, there is no definite and accurate information. we only read from Op's thread articles and posts, so in this case. I personally have to look at both sides in a balanced way, which is where both sides have their own claims.  In the end, the final decision will be made in court and both parties will have to prove it to win the case.

Any gambling sites that decided not to pay their customers maybe be getting it wrong and this might cause a bad omen that will make other gamblers to stop gambling on the platform. It is unfair for a gambling platform to decide not to pay their winners because the money won is huge. I know every gambling sites have their limit to what you can play and how much fund can be use be used. This is why if a player wins a big amount of money, he needed to be paid or the law enforcement should take care of this.

If you play on a site that decides not to pay the winnings that should be yours, then that site is a scam. So, you have to make sure that the casino you use has a credible reputation. and in our forum we have casinos that have a high reputation.

However, in this case. the lottery casino platforms had paid the man's winnings before. so, it's not like what you say here. this case has been in court, regarding the outcome, only the court can decide.
Well this is something that one also thinks the same, I am also in favor that if a casino does not pay as it should be at the time and invents things to not pay, I would also see it as a scam, of course it should be noted that we as players are always looking for the best casinos to be able to play, win, or it doesn't matter if you lose because what really matters is that you can enjoy yourself and if in fact a casino gives excuses like that it's because it tends to be a scam, you should also study very well the reasons given by the casino, although it is most likely a scam.

I am a person who always says that when a casino starts with so many excuses to pay an amount, one should totally get away from that.

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I think it is better to put this on court so it will be fair for the both parties involve, if the company wins and their claims that the player is cheating since as per then he has a history of it then that man should not get is jackpot and also he must be banned in every casinos or gambling site and if the player is correct, that company should pay him as well and pay some damage fee because they are bigger entity than him.
I agree with you there which it is indeed fair for both parties to determine which side is lying and which side is telling the truth. It is hard to know if someone is telling the truth if the supposedly the victim is telling the truth and with evidence unlike if you are telling something without proof of backing up what you want to say. Let's say, you are a scammer and what proof do I have?, Nothing right?. It's also pointless to put it on court if you don't have proof in my opinion. It is much better if you can prove that they are not paying and a proof that no cheat are used.
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