Topic: A lottery's defense to not paying a huge winning. - page 6. (Read 938 times)

I agree with you, accusing the customer of irregularities, is the most convenient and common argument from gambling companies to deny paying winnings to the players. We can see that every week in the scam accusation section. But it's not the player who made the game, the burden to make a game safe and clean without uncertainty is on the gambling company. If the customer has been able to commit irregularities then it shows there are deficiencies in the game. I hope one day all those games will be provably fair and will use smart contracts to pay the winners.

^Definitely right and it is indeed about the credibility they have, people who will know about this case will lose confidence to buy tickets and trust them and it could be the reason to shut down their company. I feel that in this case is too familiar with any centralized platform which doing a shady activity, they are selectively scamming their people those who have a large amount balance. This is not a lottery defense or any excuse, it is clearly scamming their people and accusing them of possible violations as long as the big winnings won't come out.

That is without a doubt shady, besides the moment they admitted that they could not find the winning data in their system but still wanted to pay a lesser sum to the winner then their statements became way more difficult to trust, since how can we tell that the information they have is accurate or was not fabricated to try to not pay the winner? So at least for what I can read so far I will side with the gambler and the lottery will have to go out of their way to prove they are right.

This is a very serious case, from my understanding, I see that the Mr Nwachukwu understood the lotto game because if you check out he is always playing with confidence and he has been winning.

I guess Green Lotto are the ones that are manipulating the case because he don't want to accept their offer and has taken them to court. To deny all the accusations on them base on the three count charge. This is the reason why they came up with irregularities issues that he is a cheat.

If it was true that Mr Nwachukwu was cheating some how why where they giving him different sum of money at two different time. They would have told him he is a cheat.

Yes, I read the article and didn't find any proofs to base their claims the gambler has cheated. It looks really strange to me, because if they know the gambler cheated they should have provided details to the article writer, so we could understand what is really happening, while maintaining their reputation on their country as gambling company.

And it will be even more strange if the court decides at their favour without further evidence exposed. I believe a court's decision isn't legit just because it was decided by authorities. There is a lot of corruption going on at the judiciary, especially in poor countries and especially when involving wealthy companies which deal with a lot of money.

This seems weird because first the lottery company denies the payment by saying that the data has been wiped out.
Then they say that the user was involved in irregularities. The question to raise here is they said that the same user had won the lottery previously also.
If so then had the casino/company paid the user previously ? If yes then they can surely raise this concern against the user.
If the casino/company didn't pay the user previously also then we might raise the question against them for not paying the user.

It's better if they will provide concrete proof and evidence to support their accusations because it will be too unfair if the player is innocent and won't receive any payment from them. If they will not be able to prove it, then they are just making excuses. Their reputation and credibility will be hardly affected. They should be fair by any means and if the player is innocent, I hope he will get the justice and payment that he deserves.

It will be up the court. But the decision will depend on the facts. The article didn't provide the facts of the case. Aside from alleging that the winner has used the same "terminals" where he also won before, it didn't specify what irregularities he is involved in which invalidated his games and, therefore, his winnings.

I'm particularly curious of the statement by the management of Green Lotto which claimed that they have earlier actually suspected the winner of certain irregularities in his play but paid him his winnings, nevertheless. That was in 2019. I wonder what were those suspicions and how they were addressed.

I guess the company is not credible anymore. There is no need to use them to buy lotteries because they have already disappointed their customers, especially by not paying the winners and even making absurd excuses. Maybe if the company paid the court to have the case won, they could win and I think they will because it involves a lot of money they have to pay the winner. But hopefully, the company will pay the winner and the court can give justice to the winner. And people no longer need to gamble at that company and choose another gambling company.

If there are irregularities then the lottery company is not obliged to pay but the company must prove beyond reasonable doubt that there are indeed irregularities, the lottery company has no right to not pay or even delay they are under strict supervision and regulated by the government institution, the people think there's corruption if the government will not do a fair investigation lottery company should not be allowed to operate if they are going to scam the general public.

Well, so this case is not simple. as reviewed by @earn0nVictor, in another thread without the link he shared as a reference. this case is quite complicated, let alone involving a large amount of money.
This case has quite the contrast to that told by the lottery winning claimants, and claims the Lagos Lottery Coy company. the lottery winning claimant said that he had been offered some money before he took it to court. if that's true, then there's a conspiracy here.

On the other hand, lottery companies claim that the winners are involved in fraud. after the matter has been brought to court.
but interestingly, the claimant has won the lottery before and was paid in full by the same lottery company in 2019.
meaning, the company also has a pretty good reputation.

if we get more detailed information, especially from the lottery companies as they say. then our assessment, will be even more objective with more detailed information.
So, this case will be proven in court later. if the lottery company can prove that the reporting party has committed irregularities, then the lottery party is not obliged to pay for the fake winnings.
however, if the lottery party cannot prove that the complainant committed irregularities, in addition to having to pay, they will also be faced with fines or worse, the company will be suspended.

Reading the article, we don't know how the lottery company defend their stand that the said winner is engaged in irregularities that's why they voided the winning. On the other hand, the said winner also defend his stand that he won fair and square.

The news just told us what generally happened in the court trial and we don't know who will be favored.

To win the case of course either by the lottery company or the complainant, both parties just need to provide all the necessary valid arguments with proof.

Need for further clarification, so this is the same case as the first thread? and this is just like an update that the gambling company is now accusing players of cheating so they can get this big win?
As far as I read the news from the first thread that this case has gone to court and of course the casino must defend to be able to win the case and accuse players of cheating is something that many casinos do but if it can't be proven then the player will win this claim
But what should be a concern is whether the judiciary there is honest enough or it is also filled with corrupt people who can win the casino because they have received bribes even though the casino does not provide evidence of player cheating.
Moreover, wouldn't it be better to just create one thread to discuss the same case, or else you lock the first thread so it's not like multiple threads

Well, they could also refer to the facts from the movie "Jerry & Marge go large", which apparently someone watched from the lottery organizers. Seriously, the organizing company has much wider opportunities to win in this case than the player, and they can always refer to some point of their rules that they think has been violated. That's just the whole scandal is unlikely to benefit them because of their damaged reputation.

depending on which country you live in sometimes the law can be bought with money and money has the power to determine who is right and who is wrong, if this happened in my country and the lottery company spent $20k to bribe i think they would easily win the case , because $160k is not a small amount of money, but let's see the results later if it is proven that the lottery company is cheating obviously it will be a bad image for other lottery companies but if indeed the lottery winner is proven to have committed fraud of course he will accept the consequences

That is not called "defense", it is called scamming. If the casino denies to pay the winners and find excuses not to pay, then the casino is scamming their players. I doubt a legit casino would do anything like this because all it would do is hurt their reputation. They would be making more if they stay legit.

If the casino thinks that there are "irregularities" and the player is cheating, then the casino should show them the proof and confiscate the funds. If they can't prove what they are accusing the player of, they should pay the player.

they may win or not? the truth is this will reflect to that company's reputation and in the long run will ruin their business , maybe in  reality they will win the case and the players will suffer but in  the end? they will lose reputation and the bettors will transfer to other company not unless this gambling business is run by government that will take effect the case and popularity .

I believe there are many factors that need to be analyzed.
Among them, I highlight the ones that would be most important...

First and most obvious is the reputation of this site, are there any past cases of problems involving this same casino? How were they resolved?

Assuming they are honest, the second point to watch would be financial health, do they have money to pay what they owe?

Third, but not least, is to know if the player's complaint is really legitimate and if in fact he has not committed any wrongdoing.

Well, I think that the lottery company is not willing to pay the winner and they are finding different excuses to prove themselves right. Yes, there could be irregulated on the player's behalf but chances are slim for that. The sad thing is that we will never know who was right, the gambling house (lottery company in this case), or the person who won the lottery.

These days, I am hearing these kinds of stories often that the gamblers are denied their payments. Not good for the gambling industry indeed as it will raise concerns about the trust on the gambling houses.

Obviously, if there are irregularities, the winnings can't be claimed. I think the lottery itself has valid reasons that are clearly pointed out by the authorities.

It's now up to the judge handling the case to release the decision.


Did you read the article? The matter was already in court.

Do you think a gambling company will win just by the statement in the court? Of course, they supported their claims. There are already several big wins that the company processed without a problem therefore there's really an issue with this alleged person involved.

Anyways, we just rely on what we read. We don't know the exact details of the case.