A lottery's defense to not paying a huge winning. - page 3.

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Quote from: Obari on October 28, 2022, 06:18:46 PM

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

I read this news on the punch last month, the lottery company company vowed not to pay the winner his winning no matter what, and its disappointing how they are really mean about the whole thing, even telling the winner to take them to any court, that they still wont pay him.
As it is, I personally think it is hard to predict, what I do know right now is that this company is ready to spend money to make sure they don't pay this guy his winning, I am just waiting to see the outcome of the case, maybe if the guy wins the case, they are ready to close down their company instead of paying him, but if they win, they continue their business normally, but i dont see any way they are going to win the case without a prove that the lottery winner cheated.

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Quote from: herurist on November 18, 2022, 01:11:09 PM

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Quote from: herurist on November 17, 2022, 05:41:57 PM

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Things like this probably have to be discussed further in court
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I think the same... there is only one way for solve this kind of issues.
get a lawyer (a good one) and go in court suing the lottery administrators.
I don't know in Lagos how it works for legal disputes but this is the only way to get an agreement.

Because it is very difficult to seek the truth when both parties feel they are right.
But on the other hand, when the court arrives, like it or not, the winning party has to spend money again so they can win in that case, because especially when talking about money, it is clear that the lottery still dominates. But as long as you are sure of the winner's evidence, then I think there is no need to be afraid of that, unless he really feels that he is committing fraud then court is not a good solution because it only adds to expenses.

when there is money "in the middle" everyone want to be right and do everything possible to defend their position. without a legal obligation (therefore in this case is a sort of coercion) they can just not paying and ask for a "legal battle".
By the way, the winner has suspect of cheating and he has already been attentioned... in a case like this a legal dispute is inevitable Sad

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Quote from: herurist on November 17, 2022, 05:41:57 PM

These are 2 defenses from each side. On the other hand, they do say that the winner is cheating when they win, if the evidence is not too strong, then indeed this can backfire and indeed they don't want anyone to win for various reasons.
Things like this probably have to be discussed further in court so that someone becomes an intermediary because if everything is related without a mediator it will only continue to say that all parties feel that they are right.

It isn't probably, but it will be brought to court since the lottery company doesn't want to pay the winner. It is obvious that there is something wrong with the lottery company, and even accused the winner of irregularities because he also won in the early year in the same outlet.

My thought here is the company wanted to minimize their payment to the winners, even offering him money. Look at how the incident develop

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“I reported the matter at Area B, Apapa; they invited him, but he did not honor the invitation. So, Area B wrote to the lottery board and they had a series of meetings; they were asked to pay me.

“They offered me N10m and I rejected it. Then, we went to the Abuja national board and they offered me N13m, but I rejected it. Then, they went to Zone 2 and pleaded that they would pay me N20m; I also refused, before the matter was referred to the Director of Public Prosecutions for advice,” he added.

When asked if he had won from Green Lotto before, he said, “Yes, I won in 2019; I won over N40m and they paid me.”

The agent and Green Lotto were brought to court on June 6, 2022, over alleged stealing of N72,700,000.

There are a series of settlements offered by the lottery company but the player disagrees until it goes to court. Now it looks like the lottery company found a escape goat and blame the agent of stealling the winning prize.

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Quote from: Vaculin on November 17, 2022, 04:55:05 PM

If they will continue to accuse irregularities on the part of the winner, once the court proven that the winner deserves the prize, then surely the company will be in a big trouble as they will come to ruin their own reputation because of their irresponsible behavior. I guess companies like this will never succeed in the end, they might win in some cases but that won’t be happening the rest of the days.

If someone will push it to the court to prove that the company would face the consequences on not paying the winner. I am sure that you know that it will cost you money if you bring it to court but the result would surely be good for the winner and also to the future gamblers which will be use as a caution that the company cannot be trusted.

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Quote from: bitbollo on November 17, 2022, 05:50:16 PM

Quote from: herurist on November 17, 2022, 05:41:57 PM

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Things like this probably have to be discussed further in court
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I think the same... there is only one way for solve this kind of issues.
get a lawyer (a good one) and go in court suing the lottery administrators.
I don't know in Lagos how it works for legal disputes but this is the only way to get an agreement.

Because it is very difficult to seek the truth when both parties feel they are right.
But on the other hand, when the court arrives, like it or not, the winning party has to spend money again so they can win in that case, because especially when talking about money, it is clear that the lottery still dominates. But as long as you are sure of the winner's evidence, then I think there is no need to be afraid of that, unless he really feels that he is committing fraud then court is not a good solution because it only adds to expenses.

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Quote from: coin-investor on October 28, 2022, 06:40:21 PM

If there are really irregularities in the bet then they have the right not to pay the player, if the player believes he played in good faith and has not resorted to cheating then he has all the right to claim the money, based on the article its already in court so it's better that they wait for the decision.

For a company to be in charge in court on denying payment is not good for its reputation and the name will be further damaged if they are found guilty of denying payment, the government should step in to check if this company is holding its lottery in a fair manner.

I agree. If the casino or lottery company find irregularities in the bet made by the player, it is just right and just to deny the awarding of prize and forfeiting their entry. That is because any activity proven to be fraud or involving illegal activities shall be punished accordingly.

However, if there's none and the casino or lottery company is just finding way to escape their responsibility of awarding the prize to the winners, then they must pay the prize of deceiving the players and wasting their time. It is the responsibility of the company to always double check every entry that will be made and it's their duty to give the payment to whom it's due.

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Quote from: Strongkored on November 18, 2022, 12:50:25 AM

Based on articles from the media that Op included, the gambling company said that their database was wiped out, now it is a question of how their database can be wiped out. The article also states that November 21 the trial will resume, so we can only wait until what decision will be given in this case.

- That's what's also surprising, Sir, why was it suddenly erased or wiped out of the database, that's a bit questionable even from my angle.

As it happens, the lottery is making a way to not give the winnings of a winner in their game. But of course, I hope everything goes well for the

lottery winner. I think there are many of the members here in the forum here are waiting for the result of the trial this coming 21 of November.

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Quote from: Obari on October 28, 2022, 06:18:46 PM

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

thing is, if they say the game reports and registering is missing this should be their own responsibility as this is a thing that only the site can manage and that they should be lyable for any mistake and the winnings amount should be paid to the player with no questions asked. If they are trying to get away with it, they are simply trying to scam the player.

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Quote from: ultrloa on November 17, 2022, 07:57:07 PM

Quote from: Obari on October 28, 2022, 06:18:46 PM

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

They should announce what irregularity it is so that many people would know that there reason to void or to stop the winner to claim his winnings. If they cannot give good answer with this then maybe we can say that they are avoiding to pay that huge amount of money or they don't have enough funds to cover up that amount. That could ruin their reputation if things didn't well explain to the public.

If we read carefully the advanced links listed above, then the final decision will end up in court. So far, the lottery company has claimed that they have paid the winners of the lottery and are paid what they should. It should be noted, the claimant who won the lottery had won the previous lottery in 2019 and was paid in full even though the lottery company suspected some irregularities in his game.

Actually we can't judge both of them, either the lottery company or the claimant of the lottery winner. we do not have more accurate information, especially the history of the establishment of this lottery company. it is very important to check the background of both parties to the dispute.
even if, the company must announce irregularities committed by the complainant who won the lottery. it will soon be proven at the judiciary. so, let's wait for the continuation of this case.

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Quote from: South Park on November 08, 2022, 03:32:35 PM

Quote from: ethereumhunter on October 29, 2022, 09:18:50 PM

How can the company not pay out winnings to players who legally played the game and won a lot of money? Moreover, the reason given by the company is absurd because the winning data has been deleted from their system.

If the player's victory is not due to cheating, the company should not do anything strange and must pay the winning money unless the company is cheating or does not have the winning money. I doubt that the winning players can get their winnings easily, especially if you look at what the company has done. But hopefully, the winner can get justice.

The only way in which they could be justified to do this is if they had evidence they got hacked and their data was deleted or stolen and they can link that act to the person claiming such high prize money, but if that is not the case it is difficult to side with the lottery when they are using such a weak excuse to not pay their customers, if anything I would not be surprised they did this in the past and the previous winners accepted a lesser amount as all of this is sounding like a bad excuse.

But I guess they could provide fake evidence that gives the fact that they really got hacked and lost important data from their company. But the company will continue to pay the winning money to the winners because that is a consequence that the company has to do. Especially if they still want to run a gambling business where they can get huge profits in the future. But as a gambling company that may already have a reputation, they shouldn't do that but will still pay out the winnings.

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Quote from: ultrloa on November 17, 2022, 07:57:07 PM

Quote from: Obari on October 28, 2022, 06:18:46 PM

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

They should announce what irregularity it is so that many people would know that there reason to void or to stop the winner to claim his winnings. If they cannot give good answer with this then maybe we can say that they are avoiding to pay that huge amount of money or they don't have enough funds to cover up that amount. That could ruin their reputation if things didn't well explain to the public.

Based on articles from the media that Op included, the gambling company said that their database was wiped out, now it is a question of how their database can be wiped out. The article also states that November 21 the trial will resume, so we can only wait until what decision will be given in this case.

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Quote from: Obari on October 28, 2022, 06:18:46 PM

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

They should announce what irregularity it is so that many people would know that there reason to void or to stop the winner to claim his winnings. If they cannot give good answer with this then maybe we can say that they are avoiding to pay that huge amount of money or they don't have enough funds to cover up that amount. That could ruin their reputation if things didn't well explain to the public.

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It's gotten pretty complicated. I think it could have been solved without getting so involved. Now that the situation is like this, there is a question mark on everyone's mind. Lottery companies are starting to take notice. When it comes to paying money, customer loss situations arise. People find it harder to trust lottery companies now. If this continues, lottery companies will now have fewer customers.

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Quote from: herurist on November 17, 2022, 05:41:57 PM

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Things like this probably have to be discussed further in court
..

I think the same... there is only one way for solve this kind of issues.
get a lawyer (a good one) and go in court suing the lottery administrators.
I don't know in Lagos how it works for legal disputes but this is the only way to get an agreement.

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These are 2 defenses from each side. On the other hand, they do say that the winner is cheating when they win, if the evidence is not too strong, then indeed this can backfire and indeed they don't want anyone to win for various reasons.
Things like this probably have to be discussed further in court so that someone becomes an intermediary because if everything is related without a mediator it will only continue to say that all parties feel that they are right.

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Quote from: Russlenat on November 17, 2022, 04:34:18 PM

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Quote from: Obari on October 28, 2022, 06:18:46 PM

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

What may be the irregularities the company is blaming the winner for. They seem just interested in denying the winner his prize, in my opinion. It seems strange to now accuse the winner of irregularities after they have been charged to court, after previously alleging that the system had deleted their winning data. Inquisitive investigation should be done by the court, and those who deserve it should receive justice.

If the company is really not interested to pay the winner, then for sure they will create a lot of lies that will go against the winner, and that demands for a deep investigation. It’s so hard to believe that the system had deleted their winning data, that’s unlikely to happen except they will do it for a cause. Whatever it is, let the court decide for it and hopefully justice will be served to the victim.

My point exactly! Let's just let the court decide. Claims like this might either be concocted by the lottery so as to avoid redeeming the winners prize or there might actually be irregularities as accused of the person who won. If upon checking the records of the lottery , to find that they have been faithful in redeeming prizes of huge winnings to other players then, their claim might just be on point.

If the amount is significant as posted, and the user has all the proofs, then pursue the lawsuit.
The court will weigh the evidences on both sides and for sure they will come to a fair decision.
Deleting the winning data is not sufficient not to pay a winner, because there are other means which have recorded such winning numbers.
Such as publishing it on other social media channels and other reading materials.
The system may have erased it but it was recorded in other means. If not, this lottery is not operating legally.

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Quote from: Vaculin on November 17, 2022, 04:55:05 PM

Quote from: nakamura12 on October 30, 2022, 01:31:58 AM

They will surely lose the trust of their players if they continue what they do even though the player won fairly and they didn't even provide any proof of what they say about irregularities that will prove that the player is cheating on their company to win huge amount. If they can't provide then they are making excuses so that they won't be able to pay the winnings and I am sure they will be exposed sooner or later that the lottery company is a shady one.

If they will continue to accuse irregularities on the part of the winner, once the court proven that the winner deserves the prize, then surely the company will be in a big trouble as they will come to ruin their own reputation because of their irresponsible behavior. I guess companies like this will never succeed in the end, they might win in some cases but that won’t be happening the rest of the days.

The lottery can actually throw everything to make the winner look bad and undeserving of the win but of course the winner can make a counter statement on that. But based on the proceedings, it is normal for a player to have irregularities of bet, and even winnings again and again when a client bets regularly. I believe the court will rule the case in favor of the winner because, the lottery won't offer any amount of money as compensation if they are right on the first place.

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Quote from: Russlenat on November 17, 2022, 04:34:18 PM

Quote from: Asiska02 on November 08, 2022, 04:03:15 PM

Quote from: Obari on October 28, 2022, 06:18:46 PM

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

What may be the irregularities the company is blaming the winner for. They seem just interested in denying the winner his prize, in my opinion. It seems strange to now accuse the winner of irregularities after they have been charged to court, after previously alleging that the system had deleted their winning data. Inquisitive investigation should be done by the court, and those who deserve it should receive justice.

If the company is really not interested to pay the winner, then for sure they will create a lot of lies that will go against the winner, and that demands for a deep investigation. It’s so hard to believe that the system had deleted their winning data, that’s unlikely to happen except they will do it for a cause. Whatever it is, let the court decide for it and hopefully justice will be served to the victim.

My point exactly! Let's just let the court decide. Claims like this might either be concocted by the lottery so as to avoid redeeming the winners prize or there might actually be irregularities as accused of the person who won. If upon checking the records of the lottery , to find that they have been faithful in redeeming prizes of huge winnings to other players then, their claim might just be on point.

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Quote from: nakamura12 on October 30, 2022, 01:31:58 AM

They will surely lose the trust of their players if they continue what they do even though the player won fairly and they didn't even provide any proof of what they say about irregularities that will prove that the player is cheating on their company to win huge amount. If they can't provide then they are making excuses so that they won't be able to pay the winnings and I am sure they will be exposed sooner or later that the lottery company is a shady one.

If they will continue to accuse irregularities on the part of the winner, once the court proven that the winner deserves the prize, then surely the company will be in a big trouble as they will come to ruin their own reputation because of their irresponsible behavior. I guess companies like this will never succeed in the end, they might win in some cases but that won’t be happening the rest of the days.

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Quote from: Asiska02 on November 08, 2022, 04:03:15 PM

Quote from: Obari on October 28, 2022, 06:18:46 PM

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

What may be the irregularities the company is blaming the winner for. They seem just interested in denying the winner his prize, in my opinion. It seems strange to now accuse the winner of irregularities after they have been charged to court, after previously alleging that the system had deleted their winning data. Inquisitive investigation should be done by the court, and those who deserve it should receive justice.

If the company is really not interested to pay the winner, then for sure they will create a lot of lies that will go against the winner, and that demands for a deep investigation. It’s so hard to believe that the system had deleted their winning data, that’s unlikely to happen except they will do it for a cause. Whatever it is, let the court decide for it and hopefully justice will be served to the victim.

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