A lottery's defense to not paying a huge winning. - page 5.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on October 28, 2022, 06:52:00 PM

Quote from: Obari on October 28, 2022, 06:18:46 PM

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

I don't know if the stories of lottery or gambling platforms making excuses not to pay out huge winnings to people is becoming more or that they have always been happening and it is me who have not been up to date with them, because I've been reading a lot of stories recently about similar situations. This can be really bad for the image of the lottery company and the image of lottery companies in general if this sort of issues are ruled in favour of the online lottery platforms.

Pretty sure that this wasn't the first one and it will continue to happen now that gambling are now gaining a momentum. That's also because many lottery sites will open and not all of it are trustworthy. Scammers will think of different ways to scam and one of it is by creating a lottery site.

Gambling won't be completed without the players and we all know that not all players are fair but some are also scammers or hackers. Once they got caught, they will still make an alibi and will try to fight the complaint in the court. This doesn't affect the image of other lottery sites even if the lottery site is proven guilty as long as they are not related.

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spend a lot of money to settle at the legal desk that's for sure. because the lottery party may be vehemently unwilling to pay the gambler's big winnings and be willing to spend money to bribe some police or court of law to win at the justice table.
it is possible for the lottery to spend 23k or 29k to pay the police or legal experts to help deny the gambler's winnings for any reason.
but i hope the gambler will win at the court table

Yes, I think the lottery outlet is just making an issue about this they just don't want to pay for the lucky winner, they are also looking for some things that will help them to save face. They also thought that saying that the lottery outlet is making an excuse it is all lie.

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Quote from: Obari on October 28, 2022, 06:18:46 PM

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The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

This is the reason why you shouldn't just place the lottery easily, there are many fake lottery companies that refuse to pay big winning winners.

the odds for the lottery company not paying out are huge, they use a logical fallacy trick, they say you did something fraudulent and with that claim, they win the lawsuit and you lose.

nowadays there are many conventional lottery companies and even trusted crypto lottery companies, just leave the lottery companies that refuse to pay their winners, it is possible if you win they will do the same to you (not pay you).

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Quote from: Obari on October 28, 2022, 06:18:46 PM

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The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

A case like this should be investigated and studied carefully- the gambling company alleged that the person faced irregularities but they have to lay all the evidence against the winner.

Since the gambling company was the one who claimed that the winner had irregularities, the burden of showing the evidence to substantiate this claim falls on them and not on the winner. Like what one has mentioned, the fact that the gambling company also offered to pay a compromise agreement somehow implies this admission against their original claim.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on October 29, 2022, 04:48:52 PM

Quote from: michellee on October 29, 2022, 10:08:38 AM

I guess the company is not credible anymore. There is no need to use them to buy lotteries because they have already disappointed their customers, especially by not paying the winners and even making absurd excuses. Maybe if the company paid the court to have the case won, they could win and I think they will because it involves a lot of money they have to pay the winner. But hopefully, the company will pay the winner and the court can give justice to the winner. And people no longer need to gamble at that company and choose another gambling company.

^Definitely right and it is indeed about the credibility they have, people who will know about this case will lose confidence to buy tickets and trust them and it could be the reason to shut down their company. I feel that in this case is too familiar with any centralized platform which doing a shady activity, they are selectively scamming their people those who have a large amount balance. This is not a lottery defense or any excuse, it is clearly scamming their people and accusing them of possible violations as long as the big winnings won't come out.

And hopefully, no one will defend the company, especially if this has been going on for a long time so people will know better that the company is not trustworthy and that they should leave it for their own good. I think many other gambling companies have better credibility than that company. And this is a lesson for those people always to use a company that won't cheat them. Hopefully, no more people will be fooled by that company.

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Quote from: Yogee on October 28, 2022, 06:44:09 PM

Quote from: Obari on October 28, 2022, 06:18:46 PM

...What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

I think attacking the winner and accusing him of irregular activities is just their way of saving face. The lottery company tried to compromise and asked to pay the winner with a lesser amount. That alone should tell us that they know they did something wrong or that their system was messed up. Let's leave the result of the case to the court.

If the lottery company has its valid reasons and that the player has bet illegally, then the court will favor them. But if the court find out that the lottery itself has done something that is against the rules, then it’s a clear manifestation that the lottery company is not performing legally, so they should be given proper sanction on it and might be even force to closure once proven guilty. However, the player has also the right to claim his huge winning after the lottery company has proven guilty.

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Quote from: QueenVera on October 30, 2022, 01:29:58 AM

If there were irregularities, why them will they offer to pay $23,000 and $29,000 to tye winner when reported to the police and the gambling board respectively?.

logically yes they might want the problem to be solved without having to spend a lot of money by paying $23k and $29k and without having to go through legal channels, it looks like they will spend a lot of money to solve this case at the legal table

spend a lot of money to settle at the legal desk that's for sure. because the lottery party may be vehemently unwilling to pay the gambler's big winnings and be willing to spend money to bribe some police or court of law to win at the justice table.
it is possible for the lottery to spend 23k or 29k to pay the police or legal experts to help deny the gambler's winnings for any reason.
but i hope the gambler will win at the court table

One of the probabilities that you should consider out when taking up some legal actions towards those lottery owners/management which you cant really put a good damn fight since bribery could really be possible
on these cases and since they are really that financially capable then its anticipated that they would really be making under the table kind of negotiations which would really be a huge disadvantage for you or
you would be ending up on spending up money on hearings + lawyers fees or something that in correlated which would really be putting up much expenses which is something that neither you could bare up or
not.So its not always a good idea on taking up legal actions directly if the said winning isnt really that too much for you to mind on.

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Quote from: coin-investor on October 28, 2022, 06:40:21 PM

If there are really irregularities in the bet then they have the right not to pay the player, if the player believes he played in good faith and has not resorted to cheating then he has all the right to claim the money, based on the article its already in court so it's better that they wait for the decision.

Take note, it is a lottery. If there is irregularities within the bet, it isn't the bettor's fault why not investigate their own staff about it. Not because the winner of the previous months raffle is from that outlet, the next winner shouldn't be on the same outlet. That reasoning is absurd and made me think that lottery game result is already known even before the raffle and that outlet is leaking the information or having someone to bet that number in their outlet. There can be lots of conspiracy theories that we can create from here.

About denying a win because the system is wiped out, that is the dumbest reason I ever heard. It is obvious that they don't want to pay the winner and possibly wanted to pocket the prize money.

Quote from: QueenVera on October 30, 2022, 01:29:58 AM

If there were irregularities, why them will they offer to pay $23,000 and $29,000 to tye winner when reported to the police and the gambling board respectively?.

They wanted to silence the victim by paying him. If the victim accepts the payment then the case is settled and they can indulge themselves in pocketing the winning prize money.

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Quote from: uneng on October 28, 2022, 07:30:16 PM

Sorry, but the gambling company didn't mention any proofs of irregularities to justify their decision of not paying the winner. They simply claim the winner is a cheater and that they won't accept being blackmailed or bullied in order to pay the money.

In my opinion that is a very disgusting approach by the casino which only reinforces the winner gambler's side.

I think the same.

Quote from: Scripture on October 29, 2022, 07:24:08 PM

Winning the second time around is not irregular that lottery company intended not to pay the winner and their excuse is not convincing. I'm sure the court will not listen to that statement but of course if they have the proof about then irregularity they have to present it to the court and the winner have to explain it as well.

That, although statistically improbable, is not impossible. It has happened in Spain recently with the Euromillions:

He wins the EuroMillions for the second time in two years: "I can't believe it".

(translated from Spanish into English)

As the person concerned is a businessman, he probably plays a lot of lotteries and plays large amounts. I know someone like that, who buys thousands of euros in the Christmas lottery, and a couple of years ago he won 240,000 euros.

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Quote from: QueenVera on October 30, 2022, 01:29:58 AM

If there were irregularities, why them will they offer to pay $23,000 and $29,000 to tye winner when reported to the police and the gambling board respectively?.

logically yes they might want the problem to be solved without having to spend a lot of money by paying $23k and $29k and without having to go through legal channels, it looks like they will spend a lot of money to solve this case at the legal table

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They will surely lose the trust of their players if they continue what they do even though the player won fairly and they didn't even provide any proof of what they say about irregularities that will prove that the player is cheating on their company to win huge amount. If they can't provide then they are making excuses so that they won't be able to pay the winnings and I am sure they will be exposed sooner or later that the lottery company is a shady one.

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From the story, I think the company isn't wanting to pay the winner because he won some huge amount in the past year (2019) and now another heavy winning from same betting outlet, which to an extent called for an alarm to them..
I guess that lottery company, has forgotten in a hurry that it is of a very bad reputation for the company to be facing a non payment charges in the court against them, and I guess they might lose lot of customers if care isn't take this time.
They talked about irregularities, but never mentioned in details what it entailed, as I don't really see the possibilities of irregularities in playing a game of uncertainty and prediction.
The game was played with big amount ($690), so the winning shouldn't be shocking to them.
If there were irregularities, why them will they offer to pay $23,000 and $29,000 to tye winner when reported to the police and the gambling board respectively?.

The case is already in the court, and I hope the player wins as the company could easily just pay the judge and the case to their favour.

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Casinos should be legally able to prevent the winnings from a bet to being given if the winner indeed used irregular or illegal means to win the said bet, however, if it was simply because of missing data (which is the issue in the thread OP linked), then it's the casino at fault 100%. Otherwise, they can simply just remove or heck, not even record ALL wins after a certain amount so that it can be null and voided. If the winner has his records on his side and can be thoroughly validated (aka not being manipulated), then I'm pretty sure they should be able to win the case.

Not to mention it's rather irregular for a lottery, a company, to not even have a method or practice of producing backups for their records. They should have the record imo, or they intentionally deleted it together with the original, which I reckon should have some traces.

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How can the company not pay out winnings to players who legally played the game and won a lot of money? Moreover, the reason given by the company is absurd because the winning data has been deleted from their system.

If the player's victory is not due to cheating, the company should not do anything strange and must pay the winning money unless the company is cheating or does not have the winning money. I doubt that the winning players can get their winnings easily, especially if you look at what the company has done. But hopefully, the winner can get justice.

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Quote from: harizen on October 29, 2022, 07:22:45 AM

Quote from: Obari on October 28, 2022, 06:18:46 PM

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

Reading the article, we don't know how the lottery company defend their stand that the said winner is engaged in irregularities that's why they voided the winning. On the other hand, the said winner also defend his stand that he won fair and square.

The news just told us what generally happened in the court trial and we don't know who will be favored.

To win the case of course either by the lottery company or the complainant, both parties just need to provide all the necessary valid arguments with proof.

People's trust in the lottery will be diminished they already have two cases based on the article, the lottery company should have a good case because if the complainant won the case that will tarnish the image of the lottery company, gambling like a lottery depends on people's trust they should prove that they have the right decision not to pay cheaters they send a strong signal that they cannot be bribe by cheaters but they must also prove that they are a legit lottery company and will pay real winners even if it involves a huge amount of money.

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As what the court will rule, give us the proof that some irregularities has happen here before making the final decision. So as this point we really don't know who are telling truth.

But as far as I know, there are people that are extremely lucky or may have developed a system that they can win multiple times in a lottery. So this might be the case here, the guy could be very lucky indeed if he has won multiple times already and so the lottery company has to pay him his winnings.

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Quote from: Scripture on October 29, 2022, 07:24:08 PM

Winning the second time around is not irregular that lottery company intended not to pay the winner and their excuse is not convincing. I'm sure the court will not listen to that statement but of course if they have the proof about then irregularity they have to present it to the court and the winner have to explain it as well.

That's the information we need to know, what evidences or proofs that already being showed to the court.

We are clueless if those proofs can be considered as crap and not convincing.

But I can't believe that a popular lottery will ruin their reputation on a case like that if their security really detects irregularities on that particular winning.

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Winning the second time around is not irregular that lottery company intended not to pay the winner and their excuse is not convincing. I'm sure the court will not listen to that statement but of course if they have the proof about then irregularity they have to present it to the court and the winner have to explain it as well.

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Quote from: Obari on October 28, 2022, 06:18:46 PM

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

They must prove that there are irregularities and it should be beyond doubt it should be under the government commission and it should be transparent if they cannot come out with a fair finding then their license should be revoked, all lotteries are under government regulation to avoid fraud because the trust of the betting public is at stake here even if the case is already in court the government should also conduct its own finding.

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The only thing we can do here is to speculate.

Since we don't know if the lottery really provides all the support evidence that the man cheats while on the other hand, we are not even sure if the man is really true to his words, we can't say who's the right between them.

Maybe someone can put up another source or link about what happened on this case.

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