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Quote from: Obari on October 28, 2022, 06:18:46 PM

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

To my understanding no, the company had a problem with their database, supposedly and they are hiding behind that to not pay the prize. To me that does not seem to me a defense that justifies not paying and unless they provide other elements of proof in the trial I understand that the most reasonable thing is that they pay him the lottery prize in full. Although it is also necessary to think that in matters of law what seems to be clear in favor of a part ends up with a reasoned sentence of many pages in favor of the other, that is to say that the plaintiff cannot claim victory.

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Quote from: Obari on October 28, 2022, 06:18:46 PM

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

What may be the irregularities the company is blaming the winner for. They seem just interested in denying the winner his prize, in my opinion. It seems strange to now accuse the winner of irregularities after they have been charged to court, after previously alleging that the system had deleted their winning data. Inquisitive investigation should be done by the court, and those who deserve it should receive justice.

Any gambling sites that decided not to pay their customers maybe be getting it wrong and this might cause a bad omen that will make other gamblers to stop gambling on the platform. It is unfair for a gambling platform to decide not to pay their winners because the money won is huge. I know every gambling sites have their limit to what you can play and how much fund can be use be used. This is why if a player wins a big amount of money, he needed to be paid or the law enforcement should take care of this.

Issues and problems on certain gambling sites is something that cant really be avoided even into those known or popular ones on which there are scenario which it cant be avoided but the most important thing

on here is that those problems do get resolved, but this is only can be found into those platforms which are legit and non scammy.For those sites who do refuse on paying up huge wins then it doesnt indicate
that they are scam directly, maybe there might be some unusual activity that had been seen on a certain player which they would be checking it out but for a legit ones then they would eventually release out
after that but if they are already giving out some reasoning which turns out to be non realistic and obviously alibis then pretty sure that you had deal up with a scam site.

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Quote from: Obari on October 28, 2022, 06:18:46 PM

I came across a story on this thread about a lottery company refusing to make payments to a player who legally played a game with about $690 and won over $160,000 but was denied payment on the grounds that his winning data has been wiped out of their system.
Below is the link to the original story.
https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/
Link to the topic
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61175078.

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

In my experience there are many gambling casinos/lottery companies that think that they can withhold a persons winnings on any grounds even if the reasons are complete baloney. Even if they are acting against the law, the simply have the audacity to hope that the winner simply will not sue/report them or that they make it so difficult that the winner basically gives up.

Don't get me wrong, reputable gambling companies do not usually do this. Its always some weird shady off-brand casinos that go about this kind of tactic to steal money from their players.

Not sure about these "irregularities" they claim but if they cannot provide solid evidence that the winner did something wrong then obviously they are trying to stall for time or hope that the winner just gives up.

What happens is that some companies actually believe they can get away with anything, and if we are honest since some of those companies have so much money and the best lawyers around the world this is true a significant amount of the time, however I hope this lottery does not get away with this as at least to me it seems they are just making up excuses so they do not have to pay their customers what they legitimate owe to them.

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Quote from: Wakate on November 08, 2022, 07:44:37 PM

Quote from: Asiska02 on November 08, 2022, 04:03:15 PM

Quote from: Obari on October 28, 2022, 06:18:46 PM

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

What may be the irregularities the company is blaming the winner for. They seem just interested in denying the winner his prize, in my opinion. It seems strange to now accuse the winner of irregularities after they have been charged to court, after previously alleging that the system had deleted their winning data. Inquisitive investigation should be done by the court, and those who deserve it should receive justice.

So far, there is no definite and accurate information. we only read from Op's thread articles and posts, so in this case. I personally have to look at both sides in a balanced way, which is where both sides have their own claims. In the end, the final decision will be made in court and both parties will have to prove it to win the case.

Quote from: Wakate on November 08, 2022, 07:44:37 PM

Any gambling sites that decided not to pay their customers maybe be getting it wrong and this might cause a bad omen that will make other gamblers to stop gambling on the platform. It is unfair for a gambling platform to decide not to pay their winners because the money won is huge. I know every gambling sites have their limit to what you can play and how much fund can be use be used. This is why if a player wins a big amount of money, he needed to be paid or the law enforcement should take care of this.

If you play on a site that decides not to pay the winnings that should be yours, then that site is a scam. So, you have to make sure that the casino you use has a credible reputation. and in our forum we have casinos that have a high reputation.

However, in this case. the lottery casino platforms had paid the man's winnings before. so, it's not like what you say here. this case has been in court, regarding the outcome, only the court can decide.

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Quote from: Asiska02 on November 08, 2022, 04:03:15 PM

Quote from: Obari on October 28, 2022, 06:18:46 PM

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

What may be the irregularities the company is blaming the winner for. They seem just interested in denying the winner his prize, in my opinion. It seems strange to now accuse the winner of irregularities after they have been charged to court, after previously alleging that the system had deleted their winning data. Inquisitive investigation should be done by the court, and those who deserve it should receive justice.

Any gambling sites that decided not to pay their customers maybe be getting it wrong and this might cause a bad omen that will make other gamblers to stop gambling on the platform. It is unfair for a gambling platform to decide not to pay their winners because the money won is huge. I know every gambling sites have their limit to what you can play and how much fund can be use be used. This is why if a player wins a big amount of money, he needed to be paid or the law enforcement should take care of this.

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Quote from: fortunecrypto on October 29, 2022, 08:12:49 PM

People's trust in the lottery will be diminished they already have two cases based on the article, the lottery company should have a good case because if the complainant won the case that will tarnish the image of the lottery company, gambling like a lottery depends on people's trust they should prove that they have the right decision not to pay cheaters they send a strong signal that they cannot be bribe by cheaters but they must also prove that they are a legit lottery company and will pay real winners even if it involves a huge amount of money.

Not taking my side on the lottery but we should also have to take note that while they have two same related cases before, they also granted several big winnings without a problem too which is might even way higher than the amount mentioned on this topic.

That's why I also mentioned that we are just giving our thoughts based on what is written in the article without knowing the actual happening in their trial e.g how the lottery provides their proof that the man is doing irregularities, how the man defends himself and everything along those lines.

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Quote from: Obari on October 28, 2022, 06:18:46 PM

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

Any casino or lottery company has no obligation to pay bettors their winnings if they cheat or manipulate the system, they have it in their terms or contract to operate given to them by their licensor, but if there are no irregularities on the bet of the winner and because of the lottery's error on their system, the winner has the right for a claim, the court and the government should intervene for the winner to get his winning, it cannot be denied. he has a rightful claim to his winning.

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Quote from: Obari on October 28, 2022, 06:18:46 PM

I came across a story on this thread about a lottery company refusing to make payments to a player who legally played a game with about $690 and won over $160,000 but was denied payment on the grounds that his winning data has been wiped out of their system.
Below is the link to the original story.
https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/
Link to the topic
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61175078.

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

In my experience there are many gambling casinos/lottery companies that think that they can withhold a persons winnings on any grounds even if the reasons are complete baloney. Even if they are acting against the law, the simply have the audacity to hope that the winner simply will not sue/report them or that they make it so difficult that the winner basically gives up.

Don't get me wrong, reputable gambling companies do not usually do this. Its always some weird shady off-brand casinos that go about this kind of tactic to steal money from their players.

Not sure about these "irregularities" they claim but if they cannot provide solid evidence that the winner did something wrong then obviously they are trying to stall for time or hope that the winner just gives up.

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Quote from: Obari on October 28, 2022, 06:18:46 PM

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

What may be the irregularities the company is blaming the winner for. They seem just interested in denying the winner his prize, in my opinion. It seems strange to now accuse the winner of irregularities after they have been charged to court, after previously alleging that the system had deleted their winning data. Inquisitive investigation should be done by the court, and those who deserve it should receive justice.

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Quote from: Obari on October 28, 2022, 06:18:46 PM

What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

Am sire that a reputable company will not want to tarnish their image with refusal to pay the gambler his entitled winnings realised, this a legal case that must be fought for and will definitely be in favour of the gambler at he end if it all, as long as the company has a physical location where their lottery head office is located could make it more easy to deal with their kind of illegal act and as long as the ticket or winning slip still remains intact within the gambler's reach, then it's not a thing to fear about going with them at any length in fighting for your right.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on October 29, 2022, 09:18:50 PM

How can the company not pay out winnings to players who legally played the game and won a lot of money? Moreover, the reason given by the company is absurd because the winning data has been deleted from their system.

If the player's victory is not due to cheating, the company should not do anything strange and must pay the winning money unless the company is cheating or does not have the winning money. I doubt that the winning players can get their winnings easily, especially if you look at what the company has done. But hopefully, the winner can get justice.

The only way in which they could be justified to do this is if they had evidence they got hacked and their data was deleted or stolen and they can link that act to the person claiming such high prize money, but if that is not the case it is difficult to side with the lottery when they are using such a weak excuse to not pay their customers, if anything I would not be surprised they did this in the past and the previous winners accepted a lesser amount as all of this is sounding like a bad excuse.

We do really need solid evidence which would clear out questions on mind into those people who do watch out on such situation.It do really sucks if you arent get paid but we cant able to determine if its
a legit win or just someone trying out to destroy some reputation or something like that this is why we should not make out direct conclusions without hearing out on each other sides.
Transparency is all we do need but we arent getting such information or clarification this is why its really hard to make out any conclusions.
Someone could easily claim out that they had win and like this and like that but at least there should really be some proof.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on October 29, 2022, 09:18:50 PM

How can the company not pay out winnings to players who legally played the game and won a lot of money? Moreover, the reason given by the company is absurd because the winning data has been deleted from their system.

If the player's victory is not due to cheating, the company should not do anything strange and must pay the winning money unless the company is cheating or does not have the winning money. I doubt that the winning players can get their winnings easily, especially if you look at what the company has done. But hopefully, the winner can get justice.

The only way in which they could be justified to do this is if they had evidence they got hacked and their data was deleted or stolen and they can link that act to the person claiming such high prize money, but if that is not the case it is difficult to side with the lottery when they are using such a weak excuse to not pay their customers, if anything I would not be surprised they did this in the past and the previous winners accepted a lesser amount as all of this is sounding like a bad excuse.

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Quote from: Finestream on November 04, 2022, 02:49:45 PM

Quote from: michellee on October 29, 2022, 10:08:38 AM

I guess the company is not credible anymore. There is no need to use them to buy lotteries because they have already disappointed their customers, especially by not paying the winners and even making absurd excuses. Maybe if the company paid the court to have the case won, they could win and I think they will because it involves a lot of money they have to pay the winner. But hopefully, the company will pay the winner and the court can give justice to the winner. And people no longer need to gamble at that company and choose another gambling company.

If in the end the court will favor the complainant, automatically the company will lost its own reputation and will definitely lost a lot of potential players that bring so much profits into their own company. However, if the result will be bias, seeing the possibility that they can pay the court on such a huge offer. But if you are a responsible gambler, the fact that you know already that the said company has already been accused and has been sued, then it’s no longer credible and reliable of your trust.

Corrupt managers don't care for the reputation of their company, all they care about is how much money they will get for every event and the drawing of winners. I believe after this case is won by the complainant, the company will sue the manager involved in that fiasco. That is if the owner is not involved or they are looking for a scapegoat. Regardless of whether it is the manager's fault due to corruption, the company is bound to give the money to the winner.

Indeed it will be a huge loss for the company in both money, reputation, and players.

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Quote from: Finestream on November 04, 2022, 02:49:45 PM

If in the end the court will favor the complainant, automatically the company will lost its own reputation and will definitely lost a lot of potential players that bring so much profits into their own company. However, if the result will be bias, seeing the possibility that they can pay the court on such a huge offer. But if you are a responsible gambler, the fact that you know already that the said company has already been accused and has been sued, then it’s no longer credible and reliable of your trust.

That's true, it will lose it's reputation, but sadly if the company wins they will keep operating and they will avoid paying more wins like this one just because the court is cheaper than paying to the user.

If the company doesn't pay to the winner, then they will instantly become an scam, and that's a crime everywhere, so, they should be stopped by the gov before they avoid to pay again.

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Quote from: Obari on October 28, 2022, 06:18:46 PM

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

I just finished reading the news and from their last statement, which is...

I dont think green lotto is ready to pay the said Nwachukwu his winning, green lotto just said they discovered irregularities in the game Nwachukwu played, they should go ahead and mention the irregularities to the court as well as the general public, both the court and the general public will know, see and judge the matter fairly, without doing this, I don't think they have any evidence to back their claim that Nwachukwu cheated, and without evidence, they are likely to loose the case..
This is just my assumption or better still, imagination, i will pay attention going forward to watch things unfold.

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Quote from: michellee on October 29, 2022, 10:08:38 AM

I guess the company is not credible anymore. There is no need to use them to buy lotteries because they have already disappointed their customers, especially by not paying the winners and even making absurd excuses. Maybe if the company paid the court to have the case won, they could win and I think they will because it involves a lot of money they have to pay the winner. But hopefully, the company will pay the winner and the court can give justice to the winner. And people no longer need to gamble at that company and choose another gambling company.

If in the end the court will favor the complainant, automatically the company will lost its own reputation and will definitely lost a lot of potential players that bring so much profits into their own company. However, if the result will be bias, seeing the possibility that they can pay the court on such a huge offer. But if you are a responsible gambler, the fact that you know already that the said company has already been accused and has been sued, then it’s no longer credible and reliable of your trust.

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Quote from: Obari on October 28, 2022, 06:18:46 PM

I came across a story on this thread about a lottery company refusing to make payments to a player who legally played a game with about $690 and won over $160,000 but was denied payment on the grounds that his winning data has been wiped out of their system.
Below is the link to the original story.
https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/
Link to the topic
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61175078.

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

I have read the article and the lottery has their side. It is simple, they resued to give the reward because they are doubting winner's betting behavior whether he cheated or not. The lottery only has to prove their claim against that man. However if they won't be able to provide strong evidence, then they have to pay the player. Doubting is normal given that they are just taking care of their business but atleast be fair. Let things go through the right process.

Quote from: Sandra_hakeem on November 03, 2022, 07:53:44 PM

What's this shit I'm hearing??
So getting through a game twice, with a huge win means I'm not gonna get paid for it?? Is there a limit to a win that a user gets every 2,3, 4 years as the case might be? I don't understand.
Now they're backing up themselves in court to establish a fact that it should be the NORMS? Hmmm. They must have paid a huge cash to those juries if they get supported as that's not even one of their T/C's. Irregularities? What sort? If it's gonna go down the normal way, then that casino would pay the designated funds and also pay for damages and time wasted. I understand that they've had alot of losses that doesn't commensurate with their profits; one of which is Mega.

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If ever they do so, that would be unfortunate. And on my end it is a weak claim they are throwing to the bettor because they are just suspiscious of that man. Provide evidence that the guy really cheated. Wiped out data is not a valid reason for sure there would be chance to recover if it is unintended but if it is, that would be the conflict of that man's end. I do hope that this case would be treated with equality on both ends. Gamblers are allowed to win as many times as they want as long as they are actually winning it. Might be luck or what, but they deserve to be paid if there are no proven cheating behaviors.

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Quote from: piebeyb on October 30, 2022, 02:59:10 AM

Quote from: QueenVera on October 30, 2022, 01:29:58 AM

If there were irregularities, why them will they offer to pay $23,000 and $29,000 to tye winner when reported to the police and the gambling board respectively?.

logically yes they might want the problem to be solved without having to spend a lot of money by paying $23k and $29k and without having to go through legal channels, it looks like they will spend a lot of money to solve this case at the legal table

If the gambler have lost $1m on gambling, would they have negotiated with him and refunded some of his losses? Their claim that there are some irregularities in the gambling process is false because they are trying to negotiate the payment sum. They should have had limits to the amount one can bet if they don't have enough funds as capital. If they want an out of court settlement then they should pay the winner his money because they might have to pay for damages if the gambler wins the case (which likely).

That is why it is advisable to use gambling firms that are renowned, well managed and fully registered. The gambling firm is not well funded and managed, that is why it couldn't pay the client. And if it the firm was not registered, the client wouldn't have be able to seek redress in court, they would have closed the gambling firm because of this big win.

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What's this shit I'm hearing??
So getting through a game twice, with a huge win means I'm not gonna get paid for it?? Is there a limit to a win that a user gets every 2,3, 4 years as the case might be? I don't understand.
Now they're backing up themselves in court to establish a fact that it should be the NORMS? Hmmm. They must have paid a huge cash to those juries if they get supported as that's not even one of their T/C's. Irregularities? What sort? If it's gonna go down the normal way, then that casino would pay the designated funds and also pay for damages and time wasted. I understand that they've had alot of losses that doesn't commensurate with their profits; one of which is Mega.

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Quote from: Obari on October 28, 2022, 06:18:46 PM

I came across a story on this thread about a lottery company refusing to make payments to a player who legally played a game with about $690 and won over $160,000 but was denied payment on the grounds that his winning data has been wiped out of their system.
Below is the link to the original story.
https://punchng.com/lagos-lottery-company-arraigned-for-refusing-n72m-win/
Link to the topic
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61175078.

I just came across another news,where the lottery company, has now come to a defense of its action for not paying the winner his winnings with claims that winner was involved in irregularities. And that around 2019 he won a huge sum of money from them and now another winner from same outlet which was suspicious to them.
https://leadership.ng/lagos-lottery-coy-says-claimant-of-n72-2m-win-engaged-in-irregularities/

The question is ?
What do you really think of the lottery company and is there any chance for them to winning the case and not paying the winner?

For one, the case is already served in the court awaiting judgement and the proprietary sanctions. But guessing the argument of the defendant which is the lottery company, I believe that the plaintiff has a good chance of getting his reparations. The fact that they are basically accusing the player of irregularities which practically means they are accusing the player of cheating, and then stating that the winner couldn't get his prize because there was a system wipeout is just too fishy for me. And even if they do win against him, they'd be dubbed as the lottery company who wouldn't pay their winners so it's gonna be detrimental to their reputation.

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