Topic: a society question about vegans - page 6. (Read 849 times)

Oops forgot that you're here. Easy to forget there are actually vegans like you. Trust me, it also get tiring for us that mere moments after recipe videos are uploaded we'd already have vegans spamming and then post replies to simple innocent comments like "Oh that's tasty" with "You are all monsters and deserve to die for eating meat!".

Anyway back to discussion, yeah poultrys do cull the male chicks. They just need the female chicks to replace their layer hens. I heard in Western countries it's a horrifying process with the chicks being ground up, sometimes while still alive. Where I live they are actually sold for food and it seems there was no grinding process involved - I see the chicks sold fried or broiled whole as street food in poorer areas.

So about those banners and some of us having a passive aggressive stance towards vegans. I'm fine with people like you who don't start picketing and liberating animals, but many vegans are crazy.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/03/06/vegans-accused-killing-piglets-accident-storming-farm-cuddle/
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-masked-vegans-picket-burger-king-in-londons-leicester-square-using-137987377.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/02/chef-gets-death-threats-claiming-have-spiked-vegan-diner/

I'm not going to tell anybody how to live, but I really don't see any benefits of vegan diet.

If meat-eaters want to eat meat that's their choice. I've already said that. Why would I be waving banners? My point was just that the egg industry breeds millions of chicks and then kills half of them, that's all.

Jesus Christ. VEGANS AREN'T SPECIAL. We are normal people, just like everyone else. I am not superior to meat-eaters, I am not special. Plenty of vegans just want to live quietly without eating animal products. In everyday life I actively go out of my way not to tell people I'm vegan, because I just don't want the aggro. I tell people I don't like the taste of meat and I have dairy allergies. I'm been on this forum for 2 1/2 years, this thread is the first time I've mentioned it here. I'm not judging anyone, other people's decisions are their own. If other people are allowed their own choice, why shouldn't I be allowed mine? I'm not bothering anyone.

Sorry if I'm being aggressive. It's just that the constant sniping really wears me down. Rant over, I'm okay again now.

The culling is before going full-vegan. The farm animal zoo is just to keep vegans occupied. They'd lose all meaning in their lives when society goes vegan.  Not so special anymore.

I don't believe a full-vegan diet is for everyone, I'm simply suggesting how they might go about this. 

The wild animal population isn't exactly gonna be affected, remember the culling only affects domesticated animals. Wild animals would just proceed like before and existing laws on how to deal with those straying into farmland should apply.

As for rats, sky rats and other vermin, they're here to stay. They'd still go to cities whether we go vegan or not. Remember I'm only talking about getting rid of farm animals since that's what vegans are insisting should be done. I suppose afterwards they'd be crying "You monsters, why are you poisoning rats!" #ratlivesmatter #plagueisfun 

So the eggs are responsible for the deaths of cocks and if we did not eat eggs nobody would care about them and we'd let them all run free. Is that what you're saying? I'm beginning to see those banners, Stop eating eggs! Save cocks!
So, here's some background story. My grandparents lived in the country, had chickens, made chicken soup out of cocks. My grandpa would catch an old cock or an old hen and chop its head with an axe. I saw that happen when I was a child. Not the greatest view but it's food. It's thousands of years of history. What gives a fox the right to kill a chicken and eat it? Nature. The same nature that gives us humans the ability to hunt and cook meat.

Another background story. I know a guy who had rabbits and is a lousy builder. One night wild dogs broke in and ate all his rabbits. Poor guys were screaming while it happened. I live nearby and tried to stop it but the dogs didn't care for my screams or lights. They were enraged and did their thing anyway. That's nature. At least we humans do it fast and clean.

Most men today are softies who faint at the sight of blood and can't cook anything that doesn't come half-processed.


Most of these animals aren't tasty. People don't eat carnivores like wolves, and lions. Never did even before they begun to go extinct and hunting them was forbidden. There are rules for hunting and there's really a lot of them like you can't shoot very young animals or mothers who take care of their young. Real hunters have a strict code.

The point of a vegan society is not to harm animals, so I don't think hunters would be allowed to hunt the population in such a bizarre world  
I'm unsure what vegans think about nootering animals? I assume it's okay?
That would probably be a costly solution, but a solution none the less  


I volunteer to eat the burgers.

How about we eat them to extinction?

What is your opinion ?
Are all animal free for hunting ?

Should we hunt grizzly bear in alaska ? what about polar bear ? and Alpacas ?
What about elephants, Lion ? panthere ? those are animals, and like wild pigs, or ducks, they don't "belong" to anyone.

Should we only hunt with bow and arrow (like our ancestors) or with a sniper ?
I live in NZ  (but i am french).
Here (nz) people are shooting with a sniper gun (like legit, they shoot animal - Deer- on a hill at 300 - 400m). Sometimes even at night with infrared lenses. But, hey it is "sport".

Back  home(France), people mainly go to forest, and use a 2 cartridge shotgun, if you are further away than 20m you will miss, and the animal can hide in bushes or behind trees and stuff.

Is one type of hunting better than the other ?


I'll put again what I previously wrote :





Also one more point,
Let's imagine you buy a plot of land in  some random forest.
Technically you can fence it off, and go on a rampage and kill all the rabbits and deer and other animals on it.
Animal lives have no value for the council/government/people.

However, if you want to cut every single tree, and make a huge concrete pad in lieu of the forest, then the government will tell you that the trees can't be cut, that you have to protect the environment, that it will become an eye-sore ...

lol
no.. just no

man inseminates cows at a predictive and controlled rate and slaughters them at a predictive rate
EG cows only live a couple years for meat but can live decades wild
in the wild they can continuously get pregnant and give offspring at an uncontroled rate.
again the bull is not being kept away meaning the bull naturally inseminating a cow like a f-boy does at a nightclub

again without control things go out of control.
i can understand your peace and harmony desires. but the reality is the opposite
also knowing the predator-prey lifecycle and hierarchy a cow doesnt have much prediators however rats do. yet rats in cities are a problem

but its not just cows. imagine sheep, pigs chickens. suddenly its a multispeciies population growth doubling ever couple years not every 20 years(humans average generations every 20 years)

just imagine cows doing what humans do, but every every year instead of 20 years.
oh and before you say les cows than people
cows dont know birth control and dont have the fingers to put a condom on...

think of the reality not the utopia

Thanks. I'm meriting that because it is so refreshing to see someone concede a point on here!

Speaking from the vegan side, yes, I concede that there are some vegans who are obnoxious dicks, just as there are some non-vegans who are obnoxious dicks. I think the gay/lesbian analogy is a good one. Generally if you have any label that defines a group and represents a difference from the norm, it attracts idiot attention-seekers wanting to be flag bearers.

Also find out that those who are vegans some of them don't choose that by themselves actually their health don't allow them and they were forced to become vegan because of their health issues.
So, instead of judging anyone or commenting on anyone we should think according to there perspective s well and everyone has the right to choose what they want to be whether it is vegetarian, non vegetarian, vegan or anything.

That's a fair criticism of my comment.

I actually have no clue as to the %age.

Offhand I'd think it was comparable to the gay/lezzie movements, where there are incredibly obnoxious loudmouths "speaking for the movement" and they have zero similarity to the average gay or lezzie who is a totally normal person

It's not the way chicken meat is processed. Baby male chicks are not killed for meat. They are not adult chickens for the meat industry, they're literally newborn chicks. The egg industry kills millions of male chicks because they have no use for them, as they will not lay eggs. Video here if you want evidence, but a serious warning before you look, it's absolutely horrific, so only watch if you're sure you want to. https://www.kinderworld.org/videos/egg-industry/baby-chicks-ground-up-alive/


Thanks


Obviously I'm not a fan of hunting. There are occasionally valid arguments for culling in certain circumstances, but most are spurious.
As for farmers - it's not up to me, it's up to them. What would give me the right to demand that everyone lives in the same way that I choose to? If you're a vegan or a vegetarian or a meat-eater, you should live as you choose. Biologically we're omnivores, we've evolved to eat both meat and plants.
Similarly I am strongly against religion, but that doesn't mean I'm burning down churches and demanding that everyone becomes an atheist.

Why should the way chicken meat is processed stop me from eating eggs? I don't see how this is related?

Animals that are killed should be killed in a humanitarian way, with no pain. I don't think this is how it's done everywhere in the world. We shouldn't put a farmer who lets his chicken run around freely and then collects the eggs with one who keeps his birds in a crowded enclosed space, in the dark, and feeds them antibiotics.

I don't think I'm cocky. I don't think I am better than someone who eats meat. I've just made a different choice, that's all. If you want to eat meat and eggs then do so. What you do is your choice, I would have no right to decide for you.