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Quote from: Betwrong on March 04, 2020, 09:08:33 AM

Quote from: deisik on March 03, 2020, 01:56:08 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on March 03, 2020, 07:44:28 AM

But only 1% to 3% of all gamblers are addicted ones. Gambling industry could do without them easily. Hope, you can see the difference

As I said, I don't disagree with you

But still you make it look and sound like casino operators profit from something else (house edge) other than their gamblers. Even if technically true, it is not the house edge, it is the money of players that becomes the money of a casino. Whether the money is coming from compulsive gamblers or normal ones is irrelevant from this perspective. It is a zero-sum game after all (plus or minus the house edge)

Exactly, and that's my point. Some players are winning and others are losing at the same time, and what is won by the former group is compensated by the latter one. And what's left for the gambling site is the house edge, not the money lost by some players.

Gambling sites want as many players as possible not only because the more money is wagered on the site, the more the site earns due to the house edge, but also because if only a few players are there, it becomes a game between them and the site: if someone loses big, it's the site's profit, BUT if someone wins big, the site has to shell out a big money.

And, being serious businessmen, gambling site owners don't want to gamble, they prefer the security/stability of earning from the house edge, when gamblers, basically, play with each other and pay to the site, in the form of the house edge, for providing a platform for gambling.

I know it may seem like only poker sites operate this way, but, in fact, it's applicable to all gambling sites with thousands of active users.

That is also the main reason why they keep advertising to attract more of the peoples attention and join the house to play. Since there are also lots of competition they are also upgrading little by little.

Imagine they only launched recently and then they got sudden bankrupt because they lose more than they earn, then immediately they will shutdown. Anyway this feels like we are talking some basic business or structure of any casinos, its completetely irrelevant.

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Quote from: deisik on March 03, 2020, 01:56:08 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on March 03, 2020, 07:44:28 AM

But only 1% to 3% of all gamblers are addicted ones. Gambling industry could do without them easily. Hope, you can see the difference

As I said, I don't disagree with you

But still you make it look and sound like casino operators profit from something else (house edge) other than their gamblers. Even if technically true, it is not the house edge, it is the money of players that becomes the money of a casino. Whether the money is coming from compulsive gamblers or normal ones is irrelevant from this perspective. It is a zero-sum game after all (plus or minus the house edge)

Exactly, and that's my point. Some players are winning and others are losing at the same time, and what is won by the former group is compensated by the latter one. And what's left for the gambling site is the house edge, not the money lost by some players.

Gambling sites want as many players as possible not only because the more money is wagered on the site, the more the site earns due to the house edge, but also because if only a few players are there, it becomes a game between them and the site: if someone loses big, it's the site's profit, BUT if someone wins big, the site has to shell out a big money.

And, being serious businessmen, gambling site owners don't want to gamble, they prefer the security/stability of earning from the house edge, when gamblers, basically, play with each other and pay to the site, in the form of the house edge, for providing a platform for gambling.

I know it may seem like only poker sites operate this way, but, in fact, it's applicable to all gambling sites with thousands of active users.

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Quote from: smyslov on March 03, 2020, 11:51:53 AM

Unfortunately, those who are very much hooked on gambling will ignore every sign and will just continue to gamble, even suggestions coming from friends and relatives, they will only realize it when it is almost too late that they almost lose everything, this is when they start to realize that they are a compulsive gambler and needs treatment.

I keep saying this but this is the reason you have to be aware of their addiction and treat it as any other addiction. Not with stigma and negative emotions but with supportive ones. And encourage them always to reach out to you.

In terms of prevention, buddy system! Have someone to monitor you, and you monitor someone, together you help each other prevent over compulsion,,, win win.

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Quote from: LbtalkL on March 03, 2020, 04:28:26 PM

So many people saying compulsive gambling/reckless gambling but what is your basis on this? Have you seen a gambler online really do this? or having a testimony himself here and lost a big chunk of money or just a hunch? Maybe on a physical gambling platform, they are more devoted to gambling because the influence of alcohol exists at the same time.

We never know what their basis for doing that because I never saw an online gambler doing compulsive gambling to stay at the front of his computer for playing gambling all day long. But I guess that guy is out there, playing gambling only. But I saw my friend in a group chat telling about his days to playing gambling, and he tells that day he lose some amount of money. The other day, he said to us that he loses some money. The next day, he tells me that he win some money. I never met that person in real life, but we met in a group chat, and we were good friends.

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I think most people here on forum like me who say we are compulsive gambler aren't actually so. I mean surely, many symptoms match and we do gamble away important funds but there's the trigger which is in our body which might be partially damaged but still works to help us stop the gambling and feel sad about our losses before it is too late.

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Quote from: finaleshot2016 on March 03, 2020, 09:43:59 AM

According to some articles that I've read, almost 80% of the people are suffering from gambling addiction.

Quote from: FontSeli on March 03, 2020, 07:18:27 AM

Quote from: GideonGono on March 01, 2020, 08:47:21 PM

I disagree. It depends on the person in charge for you as how well, especially their methods, in handling such cases. It would be hard at first of course and some may say that they listened but can't stop doing the same thing over and over again. I think most seek professional help in their own volition because they had become aware that their addiction had led to unwanted events taking place in their lives. All I can say is that treating addiction is a process.

Gambling addiction is a psychological illness in which recovery depends primarily on the patient himself. If he is not aware of his illness and does not want to get rid of it, then no matter how good a doctor treats him, he will not be able to recover. He will always break down and run to the casino again and again.

Agree, sometimes you're not aware about your illness and will discover it once you take the effect of your actions or maybe there are other things that gets affected. So it may take a lot of time just to recover a person who's really suffering in gambling addiction.

Addiction is one of the hardest mental illnesses to treat so be careful on compulsive gambling. Sad

People just sometimes think that they are healthy, they do not notice what harm they do to themselves and their family by constantly spending money and time on gambling/alcoholism/drug addiction. This makes it difficult to convince them that they should start treatment for addiction.

Because that is how things work, people are good on giving advices but the irony will be always there, since they can't even give advice for themselves. Other people are meddling in other's people lives that is how they can't spot or realized what is wrong with them, because they don't have time to look at themselves in the mirror, or maybe, that is how they define what happiness is, by not minding their own business.

They are calling others addict even themselves are addict to in something else. Curing addiction is no joke, whether it is in gambling, drugs, or alcohol, it will takes courage and effort to eliminate the bad addiction to all of us.

true true mate but we should do it than not doing it all because once you give advice to other people atleast some of them can listen on it and realized thier mistake and who knows?

what if one day they prolly decided to stop .

we can still changed lives on our own little ways or by simply saying a motivational speech or advices even if you knew to yourself that you are not perfect .

well there is no perfect on this world anyways.

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Quote from: FontSeli on March 03, 2020, 04:18:33 PM

Quote from: finaleshot2016 on March 03, 2020, 09:43:59 AM

According to some articles that I've read, almost 80% of the people are suffering from gambling addiction.

Quote from: FontSeli on March 03, 2020, 07:18:27 AM

Quote from: GideonGono on March 01, 2020, 08:47:21 PM

I disagree. It depends on the person in charge for you as how well, especially their methods, in handling such cases. It would be hard at first of course and some may say that they listened but can't stop doing the same thing over and over again. I think most seek professional help in their own volition because they had become aware that their addiction had led to unwanted events taking place in their lives. All I can say is that treating addiction is a process.

Gambling addiction is a psychological illness in which recovery depends primarily on the patient himself. If he is not aware of his illness and does not want to get rid of it, then no matter how good a doctor treats him, he will not be able to recover. He will always break down and run to the casino again and again.

Agree, sometimes you're not aware about your illness and will discover it once you take the effect of your actions or maybe there are other things that gets affected. So it may take a lot of time just to recover a person who's really suffering in gambling addiction.

Addiction is one of the hardest mental illnesses to treat so be careful on compulsive gambling. Sad

People just sometimes think that they are healthy, they do not notice what harm they do to themselves and their family by constantly spending money and time on gambling/alcoholism/drug addiction. This makes it difficult to convince them that they should start treatment for addiction.

Because that is how things work, people are good on giving advices but the irony will be always there, since they can't even give advice for themselves. Other people are meddling in other's people lives that is how they can't spot or realized what is wrong with them, because they don't have time to look at themselves in the mirror, or maybe, that is how they define what happiness is, by not minding their own business.

They are calling others addict even themselves are addict too in something else. Curing addiction is no joke, whether it is in gambling, drugs, or alcohol, it will takes courage and effort to eliminate the bad addiction to all of us.

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Quote from: LbtalkL on March 03, 2020, 04:28:26 PM

So many people saying compulsive gambling/reckless gambling but what is your basis on this? Have you seen a gambler online really do this? or having a testimony himself here and lost a big chunk of money or just a hunch? Maybe on a physical gambling platform, they are more devoted to gambling because the influence of alcohol exists at the same time.

Today there are a lot of people now are playing gambling games we all know that by this game we can earn a lot of money and profit by just identifying the winning combinations. Still, there is an essential thing we need to do before we take into a gambling game. There are a lot of people investing time to make a research about the things related to the gambling some of them ask other people and made their own techniques and tricks to earn more knowledge and use this to take advantage of the other player. Even we are skilled enough we need to be prepared about the things we did not expect like facing other people that is too much great on us, also playing gambling is very risky it takes a chance of fifty percent or half of it to earn your profit. Still, it ks better if we have an optimistic mind to get more focus and avoid losing money or it is better to earn more income.

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Quote from: LbtalkL on March 03, 2020, 04:28:26 PM

So many people saying compulsive gambling/reckless gambling but what is your basis on this? Have you seen a gambler online really do this? or having a testimony himself here and lost a big chunk of money or just a hunch? Maybe on a physical gambling platform, they are more devoted to gambling because the influence of alcohol exists at the same time.

I've seen a number of people in person and online through forums like this one compulsively gamble and lose large amounts of money through online platforms. If anything, it can be much easier for people to compulsively gamble through an online platform rather than a physical one because many don't require very detailed verification, and you just need a few seconds and a few clicks to login to an online gambling account. Alcohol can definitely play a part in physical gambling addiction, but online gambling can be just as dangerous.

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So many people saying compulsive gambling/reckless gambling but what is your basis on this? Have you seen a gambler online really do this? or having a testimony himself here and lost a big chunk of money or just a hunch? Maybe on a physical gambling platform, they are more devoted to gambling because the influence of alcohol exists at the same time.

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Quote from: finaleshot2016 on March 03, 2020, 09:43:59 AM

According to some articles that I've read, almost 80% of the people are suffering from gambling addiction.

Quote from: FontSeli on March 03, 2020, 07:18:27 AM

Quote from: GideonGono on March 01, 2020, 08:47:21 PM

I disagree. It depends on the person in charge for you as how well, especially their methods, in handling such cases. It would be hard at first of course and some may say that they listened but can't stop doing the same thing over and over again. I think most seek professional help in their own volition because they had become aware that their addiction had led to unwanted events taking place in their lives. All I can say is that treating addiction is a process.

Gambling addiction is a psychological illness in which recovery depends primarily on the patient himself. If he is not aware of his illness and does not want to get rid of it, then no matter how good a doctor treats him, he will not be able to recover. He will always break down and run to the casino again and again.

Agree, sometimes you're not aware about your illness and will discover it once you take the effect of your actions or maybe there are other things that gets affected. So it may take a lot of time just to recover a person who's really suffering in gambling addiction.

Addiction is one of the hardest mental illnesses to treat so be careful on compulsive gambling. Sad

People just sometimes think that they are healthy, they do not notice what harm they do to themselves and their family by constantly spending money and time on gambling/alcoholism/drug addiction. This makes it difficult to convince them that they should start treatment for addiction.

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Quote from: Betwrong on March 03, 2020, 07:44:28 AM

But only 1% to 3% of all gamblers are addicted ones. Gambling industry could do without them easily. Hope, you can see the difference

As I said, I don't disagree with you

But still you make it look and sound like casino operators profit from something else (house edge) other than their gamblers. Even if technically true, it is not the house edge, it is the money of players that becomes the money of a casino. Whether the money is coming from compulsive gamblers or normal ones is irrelevant from this perspective. It is a zero-sum game after all (plus or minus the house edge)

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Quote from: 2double0 on March 03, 2020, 12:49:33 PM

I hope that some day, people will start recognizing themselves and if they find themselves under a 'gambler's' category, they will take necessary steps to remain under controlled mindset and not to get addicted to it and cut their connections with almost everyone in their life.

Yes, to get rid off the problems of compulsive gambling, gamblers must realize themselves as the category of "addicted gamblers", only from that point they could make differences into their gambling activities. If they do not take time for self evaluating about their addiction levels on gambling, they will never able to get out of it.

I believe most gamblers do not recognize themselves as a gambler but they do think like they are making fun out of gambling still they do believe they are not the actual gamblers. Before they are realizing about their addiction, most gamblers are getting addicted to gambling severely. From the point when they are doing self-evaluation, I guess changes to their life will be happening.

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Quote from: finaleshot2016 on March 03, 2020, 12:28:20 PM

True, it's hard to recognize mental illness and sometimes, the people around are the one who notices it first.
Gambling addiction is the most common addiction after drugs, they should take it seriously before it happens to themselves.

It is not so easy for find it for themselves as they are already addicted to it until they find themselves in a situation where they have gone too far losing everything and even if winning, they could not stop due to their inability to control their minds. I hope that some day, people will start recognizing themselves and if they find themselves under a 'gambler's' category, they will take necessary steps to remain under controlled mindset and not to get addicted to it and cut their connections with almost everyone in their life.

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Quote from: matchi2011 on March 03, 2020, 11:57:37 AM

Quote from: smyslov on March 03, 2020, 11:51:53 AM

Quote from: KrisAlex18 on February 21, 2020, 11:27:38 AM

There are times that whenever your family and your friend advise to you about stopping on gamble, you keep on ignoring them, you do not listen to them anymore even though they care so much to you and when you deny them then you may consider yourself having a compulsive gambling disorder, you don't care anymore to anyone, the only thing you want is gambling.
I suggest that if you feel that you are like that, you may visit some professionals to help you.

Unfortunately, those who are very much hooked on gambling will ignore every sign and will just continue to gamble, even suggestions coming from friends and relatives, they will only realize it when it is almost too late that they almost lose everything, this is when they start to realize that they are a compulsive gambler and needs treatment.

Sure did, many gamblers always have this mindset that they are just enjoying whether they're losing or winning they've keep in their minds that everything is fine, but the moment that they've seen how much time and money that has been wasted that is the time they will start to find help and proper treatment to avoid more.

True, it's hard to recognize mental illness and sometimes, the people around are the one who notices it first.
Gambling addiction is the most common addiction after drugs, they should take it seriously before it happens to themselves.

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You can't really call yourself a compulsive gambler unless you have a bigger bankroll size. I said that because the bigger the size of your capital, the longer you will play the game till you lose everything. That's when you can consider yourself as compulsive gambler. Those with small bankrolls get rekt quick still because of their uncontrollable nature but they still gamble with what they can afford to lose whereas high capital losses should not be considered something as affordable gambling.

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Quote from: smyslov on March 03, 2020, 11:51:53 AM

Quote from: KrisAlex18 on February 21, 2020, 11:27:38 AM

There are times that whenever your family and your friend advise to you about stopping on gamble, you keep on ignoring them, you do not listen to them anymore even though they care so much to you and when you deny them then you may consider yourself having a compulsive gambling disorder, you don't care anymore to anyone, the only thing you want is gambling.
I suggest that if you feel that you are like that, you may visit some professionals to help you.

Unfortunately, those who are very much hooked on gambling will ignore every sign and will just continue to gamble, even suggestions coming from friends and relatives, they will only realize it when it is almost too late that they almost lose everything, this is when they start to realize that they are a compulsive gambler and needs treatment.

Sure did, many gamblers always have this mindset that they are just enjoying whether they're losing or winning they've keep in their minds that everything is fine, but the moment that they've seen how much time and money that has been wasted that is the time they will start to find help and proper treatment to avoid more.

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Quote from: KrisAlex18 on February 21, 2020, 11:27:38 AM

There are times that whenever your family and your friend advise to you about stopping on gamble, you keep on ignoring them, you do not listen to them anymore even though they care so much to you and when you deny them then you may consider yourself having a compulsive gambling disorder, you don't care anymore to anyone, the only thing you want is gambling.
I suggest that if you feel that you are like that, you may visit some professionals to help you.

Unfortunately, those who are very much hooked on gambling will ignore every sign and will just continue to gamble, even suggestions coming from friends and relatives, they will only realize it when it is almost too late that they almost lose everything, this is when they start to realize that they are a compulsive gambler and needs treatment.

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Quote from: deisik on March 02, 2020, 12:36:12 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on March 02, 2020, 06:11:30 AM

Quote from: Lanatsa on March 01, 2020, 08:58:07 AM

~ Gambling industry is really become profitable due to this behavior.

Gambling industry doesn't profit from people's illnesses, it profits from the house edge. In fact, if there were no gambling addicts, and, as a consequence, less governmental restrictions, gambling industry would only benefit from it.

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I definitely agree with you here. Technically also, without the people who are addicted in gambling, house edge won't earn any money, so they should exist for each other so the gambling business to keep running and people have chances to win in gambling, though that is very hard to happen for everyone. I don't know how many tries of a certain individual needs to win profits in gambling that he wants because most of the time, it will depends on his luck alone.

Coming to gambling with strategies in plan will not even guarantee your the win but it would only increase your chances of winning.

Quote from: Betwrong on March 02, 2020, 06:11:30 AM

So, compulsive gamblers cause harm not only to them and their families, but to the gambling industry as well.

Cause harm to gambling industry? I don't think so, that doesn't make any sense at all.

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According to some articles that I've read, almost 80% of the people are suffering from gambling addiction.

Quote from: FontSeli on March 03, 2020, 07:18:27 AM

Quote from: GideonGono on March 01, 2020, 08:47:21 PM

I disagree. It depends on the person in charge for you as how well, especially their methods, in handling such cases. It would be hard at first of course and some may say that they listened but can't stop doing the same thing over and over again. I think most seek professional help in their own volition because they had become aware that their addiction had led to unwanted events taking place in their lives. All I can say is that treating addiction is a process.

Gambling addiction is a psychological illness in which recovery depends primarily on the patient himself. If he is not aware of his illness and does not want to get rid of it, then no matter how good a doctor treats him, he will not be able to recover. He will always break down and run to the casino again and again.

Agree, sometimes you're not aware about your illness and will discover it once you take the effect of your actions or maybe there are other things that gets affected. So it may take a lot of time just to recover a person who's really suffering in gambling addiction.

Addiction is one of the hardest mental illnesses to treat so be careful on compulsive gambling. Sad

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