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Quote from: Lanatsa on March 01, 2020, 09:58:07 AM

~ Gambling industry is really become profitable due to this behavior.

Gambling industry doesn't profit from people's illnesses, it profits from the house edge. In fact, if there were no gambling addicts, and, as a consequence, less governmental restrictions, gambling industry would only benefit from it. So, compulsive gamblers cause harm not only to them and their families, but to the gambling industry as well.

I can't say that I truly disagree with the point established

With that said, however, I don't think it is quite correct to say that the gambling industry doesn't profit from people's addictions because it profits from the house edge. Technically, casinos profit from the house edge as it all eventually comes down to it as luck gets completely removed in the process (even if you don't agree with the latter)

But would you agree if I started to claim that fraudulent scheme operators profit not from their guileless victims but rather from selling their "tokens" even if it does in fact technically come down to selling some coupons allegedly representing value? I don't think you would. But how is that different from casinos profiting off their players, addicted or otherwise?

In the case of fraudulent scheme operators, the vast majority of their income comes from their guileless victims who are buying tokens/coupons which cost less or nothing in the end. Those victims account for up to 100% from whom those scammers profit.

But only 1% to 3% of all gamblers are addicted ones. Gambling industry could do without them easily. Hope, you can see the difference.

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Quote from: GideonGono on March 01, 2020, 09:47:21 PM

I disagree. It depends on the person in charge for you as how well, especially their methods, in handling such cases. It would be hard at first of course and some may say that they listened but can't stop doing the same thing over and over again. I think most seek professional help in their own volition because they had become aware that their addiction had led to unwanted events taking place in their lives. All I can say is that treating addiction is a process.

Gambling addiction is a psychological illness in which recovery depends primarily on the patient himself. If he is not aware of his illness and does not want to get rid of it, then no matter how good a doctor treats him, he will not be able to recover. He will always break down and run to the casino again and again.

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Quote from: Viscore on March 02, 2020, 09:33:43 AM

I fully agree with you, some countries ban gambling because of its negative effect like addiction, like China they are a country with the most number of population and if only gambling is not illegal in such country imagine how big it will contribute to the gambling industry, that would certainly make gambling sites more profitable.

This is not such an obvious question as it seems. If I remember correctly, poker lost a lot in development when some countries began to regulate it more tightly, and some completely banned it. Given the fact that the internet space is globalized, I do not think that in this area we will move towards weakening regulation. On the contrary, there will be more prohibitions. And most of these prohibitions are related to gambling addiction, which is inseparable from gambling.

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Quote from: Lanatsa on March 01, 2020, 09:58:07 AM

~ Gambling industry is really become profitable due to this behavior.

Gambling industry doesn't profit from people's illnesses, it profits from the house edge. In fact, if there were no gambling addicts, and, as a consequence, less governmental restrictions, gambling industry would only benefit from it. So, compulsive gamblers cause harm not only to them and their families, but to the gambling industry as well.

This is something I agree with, it may seem on the surface that the gambling industry takes advantage of those that become addicted to gambling but if it was not for them then gambling will not have as much of a bad reputation as it has now, in my country it is still very common to find people that have a very negative attitude to the casinos and the people that play in them, when the truth is that the majority of the gamblers are just normal people that gamble responsibly once in a while.

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Quote from: Betwrong on March 02, 2020, 07:11:30 AM

Quote from: Lanatsa on March 01, 2020, 09:58:07 AM

~ Gambling industry is really become profitable due to this behavior.

Gambling industry doesn't profit from people's illnesses, it profits from the house edge. In fact, if there were no gambling addicts, and, as a consequence, less governmental restrictions, gambling industry would only benefit from it. So, compulsive gamblers cause harm not only to them and their families, but to the gambling industry as well.

I can't say that I truly disagree with the point established

With that said, however, I don't think it is quite correct to say that the gambling industry doesn't profit from people's addictions because it profits from the house edge. Technically, casinos profit from the house edge as it all eventually comes down to it as luck gets completely removed in the process (even if you don't agree with the latter)

But would you agree if I started to claim that fraudulent scheme operators profit not from their guileless victims but rather from selling their "tokens" even if it does in fact technically come down to selling some coupons allegedly representing value? I don't think you would. But how is that different from casinos profiting off their players, addicted or otherwise?

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Quote from: Betwrong on March 02, 2020, 07:11:30 AM

Gambling industry doesn't profit from people's illnesses, it profits from the house edge. In fact, if there were no gambling addicts, and, as a consequence, less governmental restrictions, gambling industry would only benefit from it. So, compulsive gamblers cause harm not only to them and their families, but to the gambling industry as well.

I fully agree with you, some countries ban gambling because of its negative effect like addiction, like China they are a country with the most number of population and if only gambling is not illegal in such country imagine how big it will contribute to the gambling industry, that would certainly make gambling sites more profitable.

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Quote from: Lanatsa on March 01, 2020, 09:58:07 AM

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Clinics or professional help wont really be that affective if a certain gambler do have that severe addiction.He wont listen to anyone for sure.

Actually, it's not about listening or not listening. Of course a compulsive gambler won't listen to anyone being in the state he/she is. But this state can be changed with the help of antidepressants and mood stabilizers, and then they can listen. It's a fact that medications used in treating substance abuse can help treat compulsive gambling, and that's why it's so important to reach out to professionals as long as a gambling problem is there.

Quote from: Lanatsa on March 01, 2020, 09:58:07 AM

~ Gambling industry is really become profitable due to this behavior.

Gambling industry doesn't profit from people's illnesses, it profits from the house edge. In fact, if there were no gambling addicts, and, as a consequence, less governmental restrictions, gambling industry would only benefit from it. So, compulsive gamblers cause harm not only to them and their families, but to the gambling industry as well.

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Nobody could help them but their own if they wouldn't do anything they couldn't be cured at all.
They need to acknowledge their gambling issue first before they go ask for other people's help.
Because as long as they don't accept it on their own nobody could convince or help them.

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Quote from: sweetbet on March 01, 2020, 08:32:53 PM

From what I've read, oftentimes a compulsive gambler has to reach rock bottom before he/she realizes the seriousness of the addiction

That's probably true with respect to any addiction

Since if you realize how harmful your habit is before your reach the "rock bottom" and can stop there, you are certainly not addicted to the hilt. However, if you are, and you eventually reach that bottom, it may be too late already. Too late is definitely true in case of drugs and alcohol, but even with gambling you may have already ruined your finances as well as your family by that time beyond the point of no return

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Quote from: sweetbet on March 01, 2020, 08:32:53 PM

From what I've read, oftentimes a compulsive gambler has to reach rock bottom before he/she realizes the seriousness of the addiction.

That is true. The realizes of what he already did so far will come too late. There will take one moment that will show to him that what he did is wrong, and he only has one choice to fix it up. Otherwise, he will regret his entire life because he cannot back to that moment if he doesn't decide to realize and to try to rise from the bottom.

At this moment, the help of the family will be necessary because the family will try to take him from the bottom, and will be beside him to help and solve the problem. But if he still doesn't want to change, then there is no other way that other people or his family can do.

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Quote from: KrisAlex18 on February 21, 2020, 12:27:38 PM

There are times that whenever your family and your friend advise to you about stopping on gamble, you keep on ignoring them, you do not listen to them anymore even though they care so much to you and when you deny them then you may consider yourself having a compulsive gambling disorder, you don't care anymore to anyone, the only thing you want is gambling.
I suggest that if you feel that you are like that, you may visit some professionals to help you.

When a person does not listen to advice from family or friends that it is time for him to stop gambling - this can be called a disease with confidence and such people need to be treated. It's like alcoholism.
There have long been clinics that treat people who are addicted to gambling. The most important thing is that the person himself realized that he has such a problem, then he can get rid of it.

Clinics or professional help wont really be that affective if a certain gambler do have that severe addiction.He wont listen to anyone for sure.
To treat oneself then everything should really be realized on what are the things would be mainly affected if they do tolerate such addiction.
Not only financial aspect but also on social or family relationship would be destroyed.Gambling industry is really become profitable due to this behavior.

I disagree. It depends on the person in charge for you as how well, especially their methods, in handling such cases. It would be hard at first of course and some may say that they listened but can't stop doing the same thing over and over again. I think most seek professional help in their own volition because they had become aware that their addiction had led to unwanted events taking place in their lives. All I can say is that treating addiction is a process.

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From what I've read, oftentimes a compulsive gambler has to reach rock bottom before he/she realizes the seriousness of the addiction.

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Quote from: Lanatsa on March 01, 2020, 09:58:07 AM

Clinics or professional help wont really be that affective if a certain gambler do have that severe addiction.He wont listen to anyone for sure.
To treat oneself then everything should really be realized on what are the things would be mainly affected if they do tolerate such addiction.
Not only financial aspect but also on social or family relationship would be destroyed.Gambling industry is really become profitable due to this behavior.

In any case, the family needs to save the person somehow, so they will try various ways to wean the person from excessive gambling.As it is, I do not wish anyone to have such a family member.

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Quote from: KrisAlex18 on February 21, 2020, 12:27:38 PM

There are so many gamblers in this virtual world. Some can still control themselves, and there are also who can not control themselves when they are already in the form of the long table with a full of card any bet of different gamblers, and those are considered as Compulsive gambling.

First things first, compulsive gambling is the uncontrollable eagerness on gambling, even though you keep on losing the game, you forgot to do some valuable things than gambling and forgetting to spend your spare time with your family and in a way that you don't mind how much money you spend and how much money you already to the game.

There are times that whenever your family and your friend advise to you about stopping on gamble, you keep on ignoring them, you do not listen to them anymore even though they care so much to you and when you deny them then you may consider yourself having a compulsive gambling disorder, you don't care anymore to anyone, the only thing you want is gambling.
I suggest that if you feel that you are like that, you may visit some professionals to help you.

Seeking professional help was very important especially in this kind of situation. If we want to help ourselves we should prevent it from the start. If we have a problem about controlling ourselves in gambling we should stay away from it. On the other hand gambling is not bad, it really depends on your discipline. Play responsibly.

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Quote from: KrisAlex18 on February 21, 2020, 12:27:38 PM

There are times that whenever your family and your friend advise to you about stopping on gamble, you keep on ignoring them, you do not listen to them anymore even though they care so much to you and when you deny them then you may consider yourself having a compulsive gambling disorder, you don't care anymore to anyone, the only thing you want is gambling.
I suggest that if you feel that you are like that, you may visit some professionals to help you.

When a person does not listen to advice from family or friends that it is time for him to stop gambling - this can be called a disease with confidence and such people need to be treated. It's like alcoholism.
There have long been clinics that treat people who are addicted to gambling. The most important thing is that the person himself realized that he has such a problem, then he can get rid of it.

Clinics or professional help wont really be that affective if a certain gambler do have that severe addiction.He wont listen to anyone for sure.
To treat oneself then everything should really be realized on what are the things would be mainly affected if they do tolerate such addiction.
Not only financial aspect but also on social or family relationship would be destroyed.Gambling industry is really become profitable due to this behavior.

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Buddhists would object,

but I'm no Buddhist, so, yep, I agree with you, there are some good addictions out there, for sure.

I actually collect cheaper addictions. They are a good reason to get out of bed in the morning. Gambling (or drugs) are just too costly for my budget no matter how much money i got.

Good for you! Gambling is not for everyone, for sure, and drugs, well, they should never be the reason to get out of bed in the morning for anyone, even if they were cheap. Compulsive gamblers, same as drug addicts, destroy their lives and the lives of those around them, and, normally, with time it's only getting worse. Such people should be cured from their addiction as soon as possible, they simply have no other options.

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Quote from: KrisAlex18 on February 21, 2020, 12:27:38 PM

There are times that whenever your family and your friend advise to you about stopping on gamble, you keep on ignoring them, you do not listen to them anymore even though they care so much to you and when you deny them then you may consider yourself having a compulsive gambling disorder, you don't care anymore to anyone, the only thing you want is gambling.
I suggest that if you feel that you are like that, you may visit some professionals to help you.

When a person does not listen to advice from family or friends that it is time for him to stop gambling - this can be called a disease with confidence and such people need to be treated. It's like alcoholism.
There have long been clinics that treat people who are addicted to gambling. The most important thing is that the person himself realized that he has such a problem, then he can get rid of it.

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Quote from: KrisAlex18 on February 21, 2020, 12:27:38 PM

There are so many gamblers in this virtual world. Some can still control themselves, and there are also who can not control themselves when they are already in the form of the long table with a full of card any bet of different gamblers, and those are considered as Compulsive gambling.

First things first, compulsive gambling is the uncontrollable eagerness on gambling, even though you keep on losing the game, you forgot to do some valuable things than gambling and forgetting to spend your spare time with your family and in a way that you don't mind how much money you spend and how much money you already to the game.

There are times that whenever your family and your friend advise to you about stopping on gamble, you keep on ignoring them, you do not listen to them anymore even though they care so much to you and when you deny them then you may consider yourself having a compulsive gambling disorder, you don't care anymore to anyone, the only thing you want is gambling.
I suggest that if you feel that you are like that, you may visit some professionals to help you.

Some are hard to control them self because once they are losing big money they want it to come back there losses so they still in gambling. But some are have control they know when to stop and they know when they gamble again. Its been hard once you get addicted on gambling you gonna be hard to stop it.

Some people are just persistent, some people just don't like to quit so easily. There are pushers, people who push until they get what they want. Sometimes watching from a side and criticize is bad thing to do, standing on a side and talking what is good and what is bad. I hate commentators who never got their hands dirty, commentators who never tried anything.
Generally people should do what they wish to do, if you like to gamble and to spend money on gambling it's your thing. Others can dislike that, they can try to stop you, but that will not work, in long run there will be just more tension between that will lead to many problems.
Understanding is the key of successful relationship. I gamble every day, today I am free, I drink a beer and play poker cash hands, my wife understands me, even if I get drunk and lose money.

You should never trust any commentators especially if they don't have any experience in what you are doing. The only thing you need to change when you realized that you have a problem in yourself, Deep realization will help you to change as for my experience. I also have experience getting drunk while playing gambling before and the outcome is always negative, Tried to stop that few times and I successfully get rid of that habit of mine, I can now still control myself from playing gambling and when I play I don't do the things that I know will bring negative things to my gambling activity.

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Quote from: KrisAlex18 on February 21, 2020, 12:27:38 PM

There are so many gamblers in this virtual world. Some can still control themselves, and there are also who can not control themselves when they are already in the form of the long table with a full of card any bet of different gamblers, and those are considered as Compulsive gambling.

First things first, compulsive gambling is the uncontrollable eagerness on gambling, even though you keep on losing the game, you forgot to do some valuable things than gambling and forgetting to spend your spare time with your family and in a way that you don't mind how much money you spend and how much money you already to the game.

There are times that whenever your family and your friend advise to you about stopping on gamble, you keep on ignoring them, you do not listen to them anymore even though they care so much to you and when you deny them then you may consider yourself having a compulsive gambling disorder, you don't care anymore to anyone, the only thing you want is gambling.
I suggest that if you feel that you are like that, you may visit some professionals to help you.

Some are hard to control them self because once they are losing big money they want it to come back there losses so they still in gambling. But some are have control they know when to stop and they know when they gamble again. Its been hard once you get addicted on gambling you gonna be hard to stop it.

Some people are just persistent, some people just don't like to quit so easily. There are pushers, people who push until they get what they want. Sometimes watching from a side and criticize is bad thing to do, standing on a side and talking what is good and what is bad. I hate commentators who never got their hands dirty, commentators who never tried anything.
Generally people should do what they wish to do, if you like to gamble and to spend money on gambling it's your thing. Others can dislike that, they can try to stop you, but that will not work, in long run there will be just more tension between that will lead to many problems.
Understanding is the key of successful relationship. I gamble every day, today I am free, I drink a beer and play poker cash hands, my wife understands me, even if I get drunk and lose money.

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Quote from: KrisAlex18 on February 21, 2020, 12:27:38 PM

There are so many gamblers in this virtual world. Some can still control themselves, and there are also who can not control themselves when they are already in the form of the long table with a full of card any bet of different gamblers, and those are considered as Compulsive gambling.

First things first, compulsive gambling is the uncontrollable eagerness on gambling, even though you keep on losing the game, you forgot to do some valuable things than gambling and forgetting to spend your spare time with your family and in a way that you don't mind how much money you spend and how much money you already to the game.

There are times that whenever your family and your friend advise to you about stopping on gamble, you keep on ignoring them, you do not listen to them anymore even though they care so much to you and when you deny them then you may consider yourself having a compulsive gambling disorder, you don't care anymore to anyone, the only thing you want is gambling.
I suggest that if you feel that you are like that, you may visit some professionals to help you.

Some are hard to control them self because once they are losing big money they want it to come back there losses so they still in gambling. But some are have control they know when to stop and they know when they gamble again. Its been hard once you get addicted on gambling you gonna be hard to stop it.

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