Topic: Account farming. Allowed? - page 21. (Read 51925 times)

Theymos knows. I always said that.

I also meant he knows I am posting. It started in the bbc spammer thread I think. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/post-a-spammer-thread-1591598
I did not know where this was going. He did.

He could have replied me anytime. He could have messaged me anytime. He didn't. He hasn't. He still could.
No mod has posted here in 5 pages. I was previously told I would be lucky if Theymos was bothered, I think.

If I had known the scale of things, maybe I would have done things differently. I didn't know. Theymos did.
He could have stopped this anytime.
The bct co-owner was posting last night, in the next thread.
I am ignored by mods in other threads too. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/known-spammers-user-generated-1586378

I agree it may have been more advantageous for Theymos not to have shown others how all this works.
He has not banned me either, so..?

Wow Twitchy, a lot of work there. I'll need more time to let this all sink in, but this is what I'm seeing at the moment...


Took me a while to see the tiny brown strip for 11/11 on the pie chart. I knew it was there somewhere! (in case any one else is looking)
The pie chart is very hard to understand the relevance of. I have understood it now.
The largest section is the day I am questioning.
The second largest and third largest sections are the only other 2 days I have already shown farmer attacks in that time period. (nov 22/23)
It is like a spam-o-meter of total posts of members from a certain registration day?

The colouring on the spreadsheet maybe a little confusing to some. It shows some things clearly.
What I did notice it did not pick up colourfully was a continuation of one of my lists.
The 3rd account to register after Fidimoga u=662343 (6 minutes later, or 4 minutes after Fidimoga had posted) was.. (0/0, 0/0 accounts in-between)
(edit - Fidimoga is u=662347. he was also missed off the list, adding now. last on list was Rostodom u=662343. other numbers adjusted below)

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/fidemoga-662347  Fidimoga (23)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/brockhunter-662350  BrockHunter (20)   Male 35 Houston
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vannterson-662353  Vannterson (20)     Female 35 Texas
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/gwerrahar-662360  Gwerrahar (20)      Male 26 Porcia
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/antesth-662362  Antesth (20)          Male 29 TX
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/etaurith-662363  Etaurith (20)          Male 26 Italy
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ocytrem-662367  Ocytrem (20)         Male 27 Italy

22 minutes to set up all 6, with their details and first post. All repeat posting schedule, all have a "witty" avatar.
Less than 4 minutes spent per account. set up, posted, done!

The filtered bar chart is very relevant. It shows 32 accounts who joined on Nov 22 are still active. (in last 3 months) It shows 42 accounts who joined on Nov 23 are still active. (they are 1st and 3rd highest days) Both days are on my farmer list. The 2nd highest is being looked into.

On Nov 22 I have listed 16 still active farmed account. Take away 16 from total 32 still active accounts from that day, = 16 not farmed, still active, at best.
On Nov 23 I have listed 22 farmed accounts previously, now another 6 7 here to add on, 28 29 still active farmed accounts. Take away 28 29 from total 42 still active accounts registered that day = 14 13 not farmed, still active, at best.

still active farmed accounts outnumber active "real people" accounts 2-1, that registered on Nov 23. And 1-1 farmed/real accounts that registered  on Nov 22 and still active in last 3 months.
I have also listed farming accounts Nov 24, 25, (26 to follow) 27,28, 29. I haven't looked any further yet.
This is not an isolated incident. We have been overrun!

Great work there TwitchySeal, thanks.
(i need a beer, my head is spinning )

^ bbc. spammer list https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/post-a-spammer-thread-1591598 i have ordered and used it. (see page 2 here)

Wow! It's really impressive that you were able to figure all this out. You should pass your evidence to the administrator in confidence, not publicly, because that would give the spammers time to prepare for ban evasion.

You have clearly done your research, just message the Admin and tell him what you think of it, I'm sure he'll consider it.

Just curious, what do you mean by the abbreviation "bbc"?

I do think that account farming is already not allowed by the community. I've seen many an attempt to farm accounts and sell them, but to be able to successfully farm accounts, you will need to actually try to have good posts. If you're farming on like, 10 accounts, that's damn hard.

LOL, they are not easy because they typed a lot of 3-4 lines post with bullshits to make "quality posts" to fool signature campaign managers. But you know mods do not ban them, so it means that this kind of posting is allowed here. Maybe he(them) is from a poor country, so let's just forgive him(them), we can get karma if we tolerate them.

Btw, yoshit sig is very annoying due to 20 posts per day rule.

All of your posts are relevant, but they're also all crap since you're making as many posts as possible from farmed accounts.


Look at all these "relevant" posts.




It's all our old friends having a nice discussion. https://archive.is/jMTPQ

I think they don't mind account farmers. As long as their ads gets publicity I think it's fine.

In my opinion as long as they post relevant comments/posts it's fine as they're still helping us promote bitcoins.

Pretty good chance Cantoner is an alt of knowhow, a guy who had a lot of BCT accounts and did a lot of account farming. He and all his alts got banned for spam, so the account "Cantoner" is probably banned too. No solid proof linking them, but they talk way too similarly. The other alts might have been also farmed by him, and banned.

Surprised how many farmed accounts there are.

as far as i see it, if the accounts and the people are posting relevant info then it is not an issue.  if a person is using multiple accounts or pushing one account at a time to a level and then selling, but doing so by posting relevant, good replies and OP's, then there is nothing that can or should be done.....therefore, the attack should be less targeted toward linking two accounts to one IP or one person or figuring out if a person is using multiple accounts and should strictly put the effort into combating outright spam....

at the same time, i think that any accusation of spamming should be looking at the entire body of work of an individual and not ever a single post.  i, myself have been in a page by page, reply to reply conversation with another member on here and some of those replies may have been short and brought nothing to the overall thread as a whole, but was relevant to the previous reply and in the context of the overall thread as a continued conversation.  I am sure that everyone here has at least one reply or post of "lol" or something like that and as a single post that looks bad, but looking at the overall lifespan of the member can be seen as something that rarely happens

November 8th info coming in a bit.

December 20, 2015, 06:57:32 PM - December 20, 2015, 09:22:14 PM
2.5 hours, 13 farmed accounts 1000 spam posts.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cantoner-698307  Cantoner (71)       
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dotnetin-698327  Dotnetin (14)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/esenhowell-698333  Esenhowell (20)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/facultid-698340  Facultid (19)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/gotimour-698351  Gotimour (19)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hallmader-698356  Hallmader (19)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/jackling-698362  Jackling (19)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kwiksave-698370  Kwiksave (60)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/luterwish-698379  Luterwish (17)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/monumental-698381  Monumental (24)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/natlind-698387  Natlind (71)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/oralmat-698392  Oralmat (641)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/patricken-698398  patricken (23)

No bbc.spammer list account.

Just adding something to the list for the record.The person probably has more accounts in control than we could ever imagine.Here is one of the quotes from his threads where he offers his account piloting service.My first step of action,approaching all the campaign managers which the accounts are a part of and having them perma banned from the campaign.Yahoo already tagged and removed the two accounts~

In 6 days and with 180 or so accounts placed on my farmer list, only 1 "listed" farmed account has responded.

He was instantly shown as a multi account holder in a different way. Addy's.
Addys that connect a proven farmed account, maybe sold maybe not, to other accounts of different periods.
My lists cover a very limited period.

The only other member here to say my lists are open to interpretation was Omegasun.
I told him I was looking at his account. I'll explain why
This is not yet an accusation, just an explanation why I am looking.

Omegasun is u=639376. The bbc.spammer list includes u=639372, 4 places away.
Jimbolb 2, connected to Mastsetad by addy is 22 members later. u=639398. (44 minutes later)
220 members later u=639604 is also on bbc. spammer list. (that was 5 hours later)

There is "grouping" of STILL activie members enrolling around the same time. Including a few very familiar sounding names from later listed farmed accounts.
Such as Kollor, piloder and freedomgo.
There is a glut of red trust, 4 accounts in 100.
Jambolb2 is followed by Jimbola3.
Most all suspect accounts post once on Nov 8, then once 14 days later on Nov 22, as their first 2 posts.
NextBillG is there. (sign of ambition? Maybe not involved?)

Also in this group is Xeelee. German? different posting, not involved. Also Crypto ninja. A real person. (cant remember if they posted in months)

If Twitchy could publish a spreadsheet of this time period that highlights all still active users, ie visited in the last month or two, you would see how it stands out. This burst of activity is surrounded by thousands of inactive accounts and the occasional real and still active user.
The same pattern I have seen when compiling my lists.

If Twitch can do that, that would be great. Then we can discuss.
(and a similar highlighted s/s that shows 1 of my already listed periods to compare?)

So easy to find, even without proper tools, eh Twitchy.

The earliest find yet. I'll take a look later. (although, seeing above is proof enough of farming. does he set an alarm? 30 minutes each account)
Only question, is it the same farmer. The pattern will probably reveal all as it falls into place.
6 names is quite a normal early list I think. The farmer does appear to have started this thing slowly before really getting organised.

Twitchy, after finding a list, do you think it is reasonable to conclude Theymos already knew this was happening. Could he have not noticed this?
And it is probably still happening as your addys above even links a member somewhere in the u=720000? range. (and back to u=400000 range)

New ground to cover.
It would be a lot easier if Theymos just told us.

Edit. still not looked, but i now see 2015? are they dormant? or maybe they were banned?
we cannot know that, unless theymos tells us.

Edit 2. sorry twitchy, does not make the "farmed" list.
this guy only ever wrote 3 words per post in games and rounds, on all 6 accounts.  He had an addiction, he got better.
(or he got banned for spamming - we will never know)

There is no "their" in this case. you are personalising each account. It is only one farmer.

The farmer appears to favour either sell or sig.
He probably sells as many as he can, continuously, and joins any campaign he can with others.
When those sig campaign accounts have done their work, ranking up further, they are more valuable to sell.

If an account is not sold or enrolled, it is mothballed by posting only once a fortnight, until it is enrolled or sold.

Personnaly I read Bitcointalk since long time (more than my registration date) and i rarely visit the english sections of this forum. (it's my first post in an english section BTW)
Too much useless posts. In a topic of 8 pages you may find 5-6 usefull posts, all the others are garbage.  Using sig campaign, farming accounts, joining only to attack competition business, ect. It comes to a point where it is difficult to read/follow/to be motivated with a discussion topic
I stick with my native language board. Many usefull guys and topics but sorry there are also in others places

Disallow signature campaign is impossible, your signature campaign-yobit cocntributes a lot of posts=traffic to the forum. BTC forum is a business forum, ppl like making money here, if campaigns are banned here, the traffic to bct forum will significantly reduce. So banning is impossible. And you can see those guys who creates bunch of accounts, are aim to sell, most of them don't join the campaign if you check the  above accounts.

Their target is selling as many as possible to make profit, from OP's proofs. BTW, there are so many ico scammer who use old accounts, one explanation is the ico scammers creates accounts, or they purchased them from account sellers.

Thanks for your interest.

But do you really think that DT members haven't noticed?
My posting started a while ago now and has been top thread a few days.

A bigger action is needed.
Theymos already knows about all this. The mods already know about all this. They knew before I posted.
Even now they still choose to ignore me this.

I find it very strange. Theymos and his mods allow the likes of Mastsetad and his hundreds of accounts to rank up, sell, and/or spam for sig, making many bitcoins, while ruining any chance of forum discussion. All the while saying they don't tollerate spam.
I found all this info easily enough, by accident, without tools.
(my list may only be a fraction of what is to come. Theymos already knows if it is or is not, but i do not, yet. my guess, it does continue)

Something don't add up here. No one wants to know.

I would NEVER want to interact with a mass farmed account on a social level. Who would?
The correlation between my lists almost certainly show the same 1 farmer is responsible for producing thousands of meaningless posts.