Topic: Account farming. Allowed? - page 20. (Read 51912 times)

OP is a detective. You can be a FBI agent. Your findings on those A, B, C, D starting accounts ... and so forth are shocking everyone. Maybe they are all knowhow's alts.

You are a spam finder, I am a scam finder. Let's shake hands.  

Two to three years ago, I would have naively gone to a thread that was auctioning a Bitcointalk account, in hopes of having acquired a good that I could hope to resell for a profit. However, after actually having visited sections outside of the Politics and Society subsection, I've come to realize that there's actually a lot of risk associated with account trading, you could end up buying an account that was hacked, which can later be recovered, or an account that already has a loan out.

I feel like the decision to allow account farming on this forum was made so the forum administrator could profit from them, as he is the sole beneficiary from this. I'll explain why I think this is the case.

Account farmers will put on a signature ad, making the service advertised more popular. In return, the companies whose ads are placed will pay the people who have the ads in their sigs. I bet you're wondering, where does the Admin come in this? Well, occasionally, some private business owners will want to take it further, and to try and attract more users, they will donate to the forum to get the cool gold coins under their name. Ultimately, there is a cozy relationship that is formed between the forum administrator and the Bitcoin casino companies/exchanges.

Look at these 4 accounts. Nov 20.
They are going on the farmer list.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/sanas-658151  sanas (247) ***     reg 6.56  first post 7.00
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/apriyoni-658156  apriyoni (263)        reg 7.02  first post 7.04
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/virasog-658163  virasog (123)         reg 7.06  first post 7.09
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mickiya-658171  mickiya (195)         reg 7.11 first post 7.14


Where have I seen these names before? Oh yes, they are even in the same order!  S - A - V - M (from summary)

November 25, 2015, 07:53:48 AM - November 25, 2015, 10:25:22 AM
Time scale 2 hours 35 minutes. 24 farmed accounts, 1900 spam posts
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664793                                          sadyas (29)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664805  apriloni (45)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664811                                                              virusasog (92)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664818                      michkima (28)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664832                                          satdas (122)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664837  asrilani (206)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664839                                                              virasisog (129)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664845                      miakama (24)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664876                                          studas (21)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664883  asdalani (241)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664899                                                              varusisog (74)***
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664909                      misakama (23)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664919                                          stadus (210)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664926  asidamani (20)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664935                                                              vasrasus (48)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664939                      mistanama (23)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664958                                          sildyas (27)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664960  asriloni (340)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664962                                                              vurasasog (22)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664965                      mitkala (20)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664980                                          satmas (47)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664985  asradoni (21)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664989                                                              vatusasid (19)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=664992                      miayama (125)


Where else have I seen this pattern?  Oh yes, these are also in the same order! K - R - F - P  (from summary)

Nov 8
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=639414  Kollor (232)              
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=639417  RustyNoman (174)    
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=639420  freedomgo (1287)    
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=639431  piloder (32)              

November 23, 2015, 08:40:28 AM - November 23, 2015, 12:30:20 PM
Time scale 4 hours. 29 farmed accounts, 2500 spam posts
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662242                       Kellor (193)***
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662243                                                             RustNan (21)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662244  Fredomago (220)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662247                                         Piladeer (100)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662280                      Kaller (100)***
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662284                                                             RastMan (32)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662285  Frodomaga (219)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662288                                         Palider (22)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662294                      Kalder (168)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662295                                                             RastoMan (296)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662298  Flodemaga (25)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662306                                         Palodar (122)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662310                      Kolder 122)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662312                                                             Rastanan (143)***
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662316  Flademago (126)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662318                                          Pamadar (24)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662322                      Koamder (248)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662326                                                              Rastadon (20)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662329  Fademigo (180)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662330                                          Pamoldar (25)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662337                      Kolamider (25)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=662342                                                              Rostadom (25)

*** bbc. spammer list.


added,
added, found these 4, Nov 14,

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zalucia-648892  zalucia (265)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mikewillda-648894  mikewillda (201)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bazelak-648896  Bazelak (193)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/fricircled-648897  fricircled (200)


How about these 6, Nov 24. Also going on the farmer list. (post history's confirm connection)

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zulucia-662945  Zulucia (28)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/milewilda-662950  milewilda (217)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bokelka-662955  Bokelka (271)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/fracorcled-662964  fracorcled (28)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zaduca-662976  Zaduca (22)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/masewild-662995  masewild (24)

(edit - oops, missed these two off the end of the spreadsheet)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/batelk-663010  Batelk (150)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/fiscorcle-663022  fiscorcle (144)

Then 1 hour later. Even these are still in the same order! Z - M - B - F  (from summary)

November 24, 2015, 09:09:15 AM - November 24, 2015, 10:12:52 AM
Time scale 1 hour. 12 farmed accounts, 2400 spam posts.
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=663111  Zosuda  (22)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=663116                           molsewid  (22)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=663122                                                    Bamselk  (21)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=663129                                                                              fasdorcas  (22)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=663136  Zadicar  (860)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=663142                           Malsetid  (22)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=663146                                                    Bamsed  (67) ***
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=663156                                                                             Fasdurcas  (23)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=663174  Zudalar (22)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=663185                           Mastsetad  (1344)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=663190                                                    Blamsud  (21)
h ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=663195                                                                            Farstdury (23)  

BadBear will have likely only found the ones from the IP(s) connected directly to KnowHow. I've asked Cyrus to look into it further.

Thanks.

Cantoner was banned but clearly not all his other related accounts were. (see the list he is on here)
In fact, it could only be a tiny percentage that were banned, as nearly all I have listed (and connected) are still active.
(or was there just lots of zero post accounts banned as mentioned in bbc.spammer thread?)

I wondered, "Was there mass banning of accounts related to Knowhow? (was that based on random individual member reports, or more thorough like here)"
Was it just 1 or 2 accounts involved/banned?

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vvv  Ok thanks  vvv

He was banned.


Yes: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/when-will-be-able-to-return-this-forum-since-i-got-my-others-accounts-banned-1455496

Cantoner has not posted since may, so may have been banned. But most others I have listed, and even on the same list as Cantoner, are still active.
As you know, we can't tell if an account is banned or not. We can only see last activity.
Only mods, staff and admin can see ban status, rather annoyingly.

Cantoner was on an alphabetical list. These list appear to be interconnected, making it most likely the work of one farmer.
One farmer with hundreds of accounts - just like Knowhow?

Please tell me,
Was there mass banning of accounts related to Knowhow? (was that based on random individual member reports, or more thorough like here)
How long ago was that?
Can you link any threads, or u=#?

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bbc.reporter,

u=668256 is already listed by me. Also u=669148. (see summary on page 3, will update again soon)
The other 3 are outside or my target u=range at the moment.

My target area is u=500000 - u=700000. (because of your original list) When I feel I have properly covered that period, maybe I'll expand my search forward/back from there.
Please keep looking.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dobmaster-668256

Here is another one. One or two liner posts that are generic and does not really add anything to the conversation. Also note the quoted posts from newbie or junior accounts which are probably from the same farmer. The post count and activity count are the same.

I found more here. https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/reid-875065 https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/unilevear-769067 https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/beparanf-669148 https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dagmen-893727

Thanks!

How many of your accounts have been mentioned so far?

carrying on,

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/fruitbucket-639372  FruitBucket (245) ***
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/omegasun-639376  Omegasun (463)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bluepanda73-639383  Blue_Panda73 (129)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/posum578-639388  Posum578 (607)
~~~://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=639394  Next BillG (232)       did not post nov 22
~~~://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=639398  Jambolb2 (234)        did not post nov 22
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/jimbola3-639399  Jimbola3 (342)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/intristing-639406  Intristing (153)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kollor-639414  Kollor (232)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/rustynoman-639417  RustyNoman (174)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/freedomgo-639420  freedomgo (1287)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/piloder-639431  piloder (32)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ultrloa-639435  ultrloa (534)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zend7-639442  zend7 (479)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/alubert-639448  Alubert (109)


https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/andreld-639563  andreld (203)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/onemd-639573  onemd (148)

Two weeks after registering and instantly first posting, second posts are made on Nov 22.
All accounts here were created and first posted on Nov 8 in a similarly ordered fashion, but there was a near 3 hour gap in registration between Alubert and andreld which there is not on the second posting schedule shown below.
All posts are minutes apart, and still in same order accounts were created.

FruitBucket            9.15 am
Omegasun             9.20 am
Blue_Panda73        9.28 am
Posum578             9.31 am
Jimbola3               9.35 am
Intristing               9.38 am
Kollor                    9.41 am
RustyNoman          9.43 am
freedomgo             9.47 am
piloder                  9.50 am
ultrloa                   9.57 am
zend7                  10.00 am
Alubert                10.08 am
-------------------------------   different registration times/lists come together for famers second post schedule.
andreld                10.14 am
onemd                 10.16 am
glerand                10.26 am   listed in previous post
coinyard               10.29 am   listed in previous post
posternat             10.31 am    listed in previous post
anthonydar          10.39 am    listed in previous post
mirakal                10.41 am    listed in previous post

Can't see how these can be anything but farmed accounts.
*** bbc. spammer list

Moral of the story: If you want to break a bunch of rules, be very fluent in English.

This is just kind of a random observation and honestly I have no idea if it means anything. Every time I see an account up for sale the morons always say:


It's a 'staked' address not a 'stacked' address. I'm wondering if it's the same nincompoop or if all account farmers spell the same word wrong every single time.

Other grammatical errors from account farmers are:

"I advice you..." when it should be "I advise you..."

And of course

"Your an idiot" lol. These last two are mistakes made by literally 95% of the forum so I wouldn't put too much weight on them. This whole 'stacked' address thing seems like such a random mistake that it must be the same person or group of people.

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Great charts twitchyseal. They're better than my dinky little idea of a scatterplot hahaha.

Ok I'll start on this next piece, working up from the bottom.

cfif is not farmed, nor Crypto Greek. Nor, I don't think, is grambel (but he should be banned anyway for shouting every post really loudly  ).

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mirakal-639605  mirakal (1563)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/anthonydar-639604  anthonydar (196) ***
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/posternat-639598  posternat (169)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/coinyard-639593  coinyard (347)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/glerand-639581  glerand (32)

I dont really know if their writing style changed as all early posts, bar 2, were 1 liners. coinyard did have one 2 line post in Dec that had a gap, followed by a 2 liner without a gap, then back to 1 liners. glerand's 32 posts are all 1 line shitposts. these accounts took 23 minutes to create and first post, then left for 2 weeks. Look at the posts

mirakal         Nov 8,22     Dec 3,14,25     Jan 7,20                Feb 3,16,29
anthonydar    Nov 8,22    Dec 3,13,24     Jan 2,5,8,10,11,
posternat       Nov 8,22    Dec 3,12,23     Jan 6                     Feb 1,14,27
coinyard        Nov 8,22    Dec 3,12,23     Jan 6                      Feb 1,14,27
glerand          Nov 8,22    Dec 3,15,         Jan 7,11,20,22,26

Their second posts on Nov 22 all minutes apart, not detailed here, check that yourselves! (as were the first obvs) I stopped looking there.

5 farmed accounts, 2150 spam posts.
*** bbc. spammer list

I'll carry on up the Twitchys filtered chart another time.

I'll start with this smaller section!

AngryDwarf is not farmed. Look at his first posts, completely different.
Hubballi is not farmed. same as above.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/strongkored-640554  Strongkored (1013)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/fachant-640559  fachant (65)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dodgrad-640564  dodgrad (55)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bettwarm-640570  Bettwarm (79)

Followed by (actually 47 zero post members later) Blind Legs Parker. Blind Legs is not a farmed account. different posting (not 1 line spam) and he speaks french.

Let's look at these four in more detail. Their first 3 posts, minutes apart.

Strongkored   Nov 9 @7.47pm    Nov 22  @10.56am     Dec3 @1.44pm
fachant          Nov 9 @7.50pm    Nov 22  @11.00am     Dec3 @1.48pm
dodgrad         Nov 9 @7.54pm    Nov 22  @11.05am     Dec3 @1.51pm
Bettwarm       Nov 9 @7.57pm    Nov 22  @11.07am     Dec3 @1.53pm

Farmed? Conclusive. 4 accounts, 1200 spam posts.

I will continue with this section later.

Ok, carrying on.
cas hking2025, not farmed (even with the standard farmed 20 post account!) Just look at his posts.
munkey666 is not included either as is not farmed.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ilikechineseefood-641327  Ilikechineseefood (24)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hilbillyfred-641334  HilbillyFred (171)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/frannwilder-641342  FrannWilder (22)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/fofofolo-641347  Fofofolo (110)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/italianobitcoin-641360  italianobitcoin (284)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/maudevang-641367  maudevang (403)

Lets look in more detail at their first posts.

Ilikechineseefood  Nov 9,13,13,13,13,13
HilbillyFred           Nov 9,13,13,13,13,13
FrannWilder          Nov 9,13,13,13,13,13
Fofofolo                Nov 9,13,16,16,16,16
italianobitcoin       Nov 9,13,13,13,13,13
maudevang          Nov 9,13,13,13,13,13

(pretty much every other account in this registration time frame not mentioned here and not shown in the colour chart above, is a 0 or 1 post "dormant" account. see twitchyseals link to spreadsheet. there were 813 accounts registered in this time frame of 9 hours covering both attacks)

FrannWilder (Oops) Fofofolo nearly fooled me there, not. Take a look at their writing styles. All have a gap between lines, until Dec when they all change to not having a gap.

Farmed? conclusive. 6 accounts, 1000 spam posts.

Ok, lets hope so. Though this forum going to ruin should be quite high on his important list I would think.


In will look at some point. I see you have reported to known alts thread also. That is the correct place for now.


In the process of checking. This account is already on your bbc. spammer list, and features in TwitchySeals last but 1 post above.

@rizzlarolla. Thank you for doing this.

Check this account https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/anthonydar-639604

The biggest takeaway with these farmed accounts are the no. of posts and their activity are the same or almost the same. They join signature campaigns as an added incentive but I speculate that the main objective for these farmers is to sell those accounts.

Okay, I'm supporting about this thread for against the farmer account but i got this

http://imgur.com/a/D8hh1
http://imgur.com/a/ikoip

The main account is Ryananda https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ryananda-659734 with main address 1KJGwYDeeS85ugxvPS7maPSqEMDWZLQQUs and linked into his alt account

-Imoote https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13462540
-novemberwoah https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15542235

And all of their accounts is already signed become a participant in Seconstrade, Satoshigames and IdsOption. That is just one example of the farmer.

I think he just has more important shit to deal with.

I'll weigh in on this from my politico-economical thinking perspective. He most likely has been aware of this activity for a very long time, long before you "discovered" it. However, he chooses to remain silent on the issue, because giving a statement would only lead to his statement being used against him on the forums, which would lead to nearly the entire forum discovering this. He clearly does not want to get rid of the issue at hand because doing so would challenge the ad revenue he receives.