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hero member
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August 29, 2016, 05:13:26 PM
#49
I could have a go at the scatter graph Chris! suggested. I won't be able to start work on it for a couple of days but I'm fairly proficient at creating graphs and charts using MS Excel, if nobody has done this already.

If you'd like me to do that rizzlarolla, do you have a complete list you could share with me to save me piecing your posts together?  No probs if not.

Ok cool. Not sure how you'll get it to work, maybe just 1 week, the main attack? Anyway, Good luck!  Cheesy
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sr. member
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August 29, 2016, 04:58:47 PM
#48
I could have a go at the scatter graph Chris! suggested. I won't be able to start work on it for a couple of days but I'm fairly proficient at creating graphs and charts using MS Excel, if nobody has done this already.

If you'd like me to do that rizzlarolla, do you have a complete list you could share with me to save me piecing your posts together?  No probs if not.
hero member
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August 29, 2016, 04:53:33 PM
#47
wow that is nuts

If theymos doesn't respond  it shouldnt be too hard to figure out a way to generate list with user # + username.
I mean for someone else though.  I have no clue how to do that.

DannyHamilton maybe?  Cheesy

However, in light of this evidence I feel Theymos must respond now. (he knew all this already, unless i'm cleverer than him? i got no tools)
I feel this is game changing. My list covers (not properly) just 9 days. What about all the days I have not seen yet.
Btw, while compiling my lists, I came across only a handful of real and still active members.

I do not want to partake in a forum full of mass farmed accounts.
Something could easily be done here. Someone needs to get a grip.
If theymos had shown this and banned all for spamming, no one would have batted an eyelid, probably.
This can only get worse if it is not stopped. The mods have lost control. Unless they are the farmer? (no rizz, stop it...)

Why do I get the feeling Theymos would rather farmed accounts here than me, or other real members?  Huh
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August 29, 2016, 04:26:24 PM
#46
wow that is nuts

If theymos doesn't respond  it shouldnt be too hard to figure out a way to generate list with user # + username.
I mean for someone else though.  I have no clue how to do that.
hero member
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August 29, 2016, 04:18:36 PM
#45
Summary of listed profiles. Helpful to see time scale and how the account farmer worked.
(last updated 3 Sept)

September 07, 2015, 06:55:21 PM - September 07, 2015, 07:49:26 PM
Time scale 1 hour.  8 farmed accounts, 1550 spam posts.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cobblelyf-552965  cobblelyf  (39)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/pianomasta-552967  pianomasta (36)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/greatr-552970  greatr (282)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/useless4-552972  useless4 (280)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ontrackk-552974  ontrackk (243)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/funbarrel-552978  funbarrel (297)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/potatopower-552983  potatopower (176) ***
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/purebitco-552985  purebitco (250)


September 08, 2015, 07:43:36 PM - September 08, 2015, 08:15:12 PM
Time scale 30 minutes. 5 farmed accounts, 600 spam post
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/frostice-553230  frostice (16)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/airsounds-553232  airsounds (165)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/fireball4-553235  fireball4 (166)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/oceanriver-553238  oceanriver (140)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/angryswamp-553242  angryswamp (175) ***


Then 10 weeks (unsearched period) later, all these were produced in 1 week

November 22, 2015, 08:04:34 AM - November 22, 2015, 09:10:55 AM
Time scale 1 hour 10 min. 16 farmed accounts,3000 spam posts
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zaducis-661247                                                              Zaducis (132)***
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/macwika-661254                                          macwika (20)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/sadasa-661268                      sadasa (328)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dumada-661275  dumada (97) ***
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zacudis-661289                                                              Zacudis (168)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/madwica-661293                                          madwica (612)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/samasas-661296                      samasas (20)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dumpida-661300  dumpida (187)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zicadis-661309                                                              Zicadis 24)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mandica-661316                                          mandica (295)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/sanadas-661324                      sanadas (256)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dunfida-661329  dunfida (725)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zocadas-661339                                                              Zocadas (25)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mastica-661346                                          mastica 39)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/samanas-661352                      samanas (63)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/danfoda-661356  danfoda (112)


November 23, 2015, 08:40:28 AM - November 23, 2015, 12:30:20 PM
Time scale 4 hours. 29 farmed accounts, 2500 spam posts
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kellor-662242                       Kellor (193)***
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/rustnan-662243                                                             RustNan (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/fredomago-662244  Fredomago (220)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/piladeer-662247                                         Piladeer (100)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kaller-662280                      Kaller (100)***
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/rastman-662284                                                             RastMan (32)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/frodomaga-662285  Frodomaga (219)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/palider-662288                                         Palider (22)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kalder-662294                      Kalder (168)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/rastoman-662295                                                             RastoMan (296)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/flodemaga-662298  Flodemaga (25)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/palodar-662306                                         Palodar (122)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kolder-662310                      Kolder 122)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/rastanan-662312                                                             Rastanan (143)***
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/flademago-662316  Flademago (126)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/pamadar-662318                                          Pamadar (24)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/koamder-662322                      Koamder (248)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/rastadon-662326                                                              Rastadon (20)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/fademigo-662329  Fademigo (180)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bitcoingirlclub-662330                                          Pamoldar (25)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kolamider-662337                      Kolamider (25)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/rostadom-662342                                                              Rostadom (25)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/fidemoga-662347  Fidimoga (23)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/brockhunter-662350  BrockHunter (20)  
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vannterson-662353  Vannterson (20)    
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/gwerrahar-662360  Gwerrahar (20)      
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/antesth-662362  Antesth (20)          
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/etaurith-662363  Etaurith (20)          
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ocytrem-662367  Ocytrem (20)        


November 24, 2015, 09:09:15 AM - November 24, 2015, 10:12:52 AM
Time scale 1 hour. 12 farmed accounts, 2400 spam posts.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zosuda-663111  Zosuda  (22)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/molsewid-663116                           molsewid  (22)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bamselk-663122                                                    Bamselk  (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/fasdorcas-663129                                                                              fasdorcas  (22)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zadicar-663136  Zadicar  (860)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/malsetid-663142                           Malsetid  (22)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bamsed-663146                                                    Bamsed  (67) ***
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/fasdurcas-663156                                                                             Fasdurcas  (23)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zudalar-663174  Zudalar (22)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mastsetad-663185                           Mastsetad  (1344)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/blamsud-663190                                                    Blamsud  (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/farstdury-663195                                                                            Farstdury (23)  


November 25, 2015, 07:53:48 AM - November 25, 2015, 10:25:22 AM
Tme scale 2 hours 35 minutes. 24 farmed accounts, 1900 spam posts
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/sadyas-664793                                          sadyas (29)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/apriloni-664805  apriloni (45)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/virusasog-664811                                                              virusasog (92)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/michkima-664818                      michkima (28)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/satdas-664832                                          satdas (122)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/asrilani-664837  asrilani (206)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/virasisog-664839                                                              virasisog (129)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/miakama-664845                      miakama (24)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/studas-664876                                          studas (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/asdalani-664883  asdalani (241)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/varusisog-664899                                                              varusisog (74)***
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/misakama-664909                      misakama (23)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/stadus-664919                                          stadus (210)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/asidamani-664926  asidamani (20)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vasrasus-664935                                                              vasrasus (48)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mistanama-664939                      mistanama (23)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/sildyas-664958                                          sildyas (27)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/asriloni-664960  asriloni (340)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vurasasog-664962                                                              vurasasog (22)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mitkala-664965                      mitkala (20)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/satmas-664980                                          satmas (47)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/asradoni-664985  asradoni (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vatusasid-664989                                                              vatusasid (19)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/miayama-664992                      miayama (125)


November 25, 2015, 02:13:37 PM - November 25, 2015, 03:47:54 PM
Time scale 1.5 hours. 22 farmed accounts, 2550 spam posts.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/anemed-665297  Anemed (41)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/blerand-665301  Blerand (20)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/casdinyard-665309  Casdinyard (22)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/doamader-665315  Doamader (1171)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/emitdama-665321  Emitdama (22)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/fesatmas-665325  Fesatmas (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/gasturcas-665342  Gasturcas (22)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hutalar-665356  Hutalar (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/jastetad-665361  Jastetad (22)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kalamsid-665367  Kalamsid (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lumada-665374  Lumada (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/murtiya-665383  Murtiya (26)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/narosya-665385  Narosya (271)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/pirator-665388  Pirator (23)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/qatuca-665407  Qatuca (22)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/raswild-665411  Raswild (22)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/tatalk-665420  Tatalk (22)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/viscore-665427  Viscore (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/wandika-665433  Wandika (22)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/xanidas-665437  Xanidas (775)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/yaunfitda-665441  Yaunfitda (23)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ziscadas-665445  Ziscadas (20)

November 26, 2015, 11:12:52 AM - November 26, 2015, 12:16:51 PM
Time scale 1 hour. 12 farmed accounts, 290 spam posts.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/paritor-666857  Paritor (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/qartada-666865  Qartada (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/rudsild-666870  Rudsild (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/siatald-666874  Siatald (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/visdome-666894  Visdome (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/waticta-666897  Waticta (20)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/xiadas-666902  Xiadas (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/yatsida-666918  Yatsida (19)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zistmine-666933  Zistmine (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/northpixel-666937  NorthPixel (72)***
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/nanopipe-666959  NanoPipe (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/landowner-666967  LandOwner (21)


November 27, 2015, 08:03:32 AM - November 27, 2015, 08:31:43 AM
Time scale 30 minutes. 8 farmed accounts, 200 spam posts.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/atesed-667857  Atesed (0)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bameras-667859  Bameras (26)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cabdinsard-667862  Cabdinsard (0)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dobmader-667863  Dobmader (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/efemen-667865  Efemen (93)***  
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/falmant-667868  Falmant (21)          
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/gatotare-667872  Gatotare (21)          
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hamaber-667873  Hamaber (19)          


November 27, 2015, 10:19:06 PM - November 28, 2015, 12:16:50 AM
Time scale 2 hours. 10 farmed accounts, 600 spam posts.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/apened-668247  Apened (19)  
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bemerand-668249  Bemerand (251)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cateinyard-668252  Cateinyard (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dobmaster-668256  Dobmaster (187)***  
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/egenen-668260  Egenen (21)  
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/famnant-668261  Famnant (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/gastotade-668291  Gastotade (22)  
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hanacerty-668293  Hanacerty (20)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/jiamaf-668294  Jiamaf (22)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kenarix-668297  Kenarix (20)  


November 28, 2015, 08:46:50 AM - November 28, 2015, 11:15:25 AM
Time scale 2 hours 30 min. 21 farmed accounts, 1350 spam posts.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mukyasa-668587  Mukyasa (22)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/nabicoma-668589  Nabicoma (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/pasttimeuftor-668601  Pasttimeuftor (20)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/qastessa-668603  Qastessa (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/rugtilf-668607  Rugtilf (20)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/sictalfia-668610  Sictalfia (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/tadblt-668615  Tadblt (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vivlore-668616  Vivlore (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/wargika-668618  Wargika (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/xapodat-668622  Xapodat (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/yaupgitda-668633  Yaupgitda (20)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zitdadast-668636  Zitdadast (301)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/appuned-668637  Appuned (20)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/benarand-668640  Benarand (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cabapzarf-668647  Cabapzarf (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/docnaster-668651  Docnaster (285)    
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ejanend-668654  Ejanend (18)    
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/fanpant-668658  Fanpant (157)***          
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/gaswuwade-668664  Gaswuwade (33)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hapucerty-668667  Hapucerty (20)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/juhagic-668679  Juhagic (184)***    


November 29, 2015, 12:17:14 PM - November 29, 2015, 02:07:58 PM
Time scale 2 hours. 23 farmed accounts, 1150 spam posts
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kepariy-669117  Kepariy  (20)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lavavest-669119  Lavavest (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mulzatas-669122  Mulzatas (85)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/nadicona-669123  Nadicona (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/pasutinmeur-669124  Pasutinmeur (22)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ruhtilg-669128  Ruhtilg (89) ***
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/sidtamfia-669131  Sidtamfia (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/tafbiat-669134  Tafbiat (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vixmore-669137  Vixmore (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/washika-669140  Washika (303)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/xavofat-669141  Xavofat (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/yauthitdar-669142  Yauthitdar (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zivdafast-669143  Zivdafast (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/auponef-669144  Auponef (181) ***                            
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/beparanf-669148  Beparanf (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cacapzarg-669150  Cacapzarg (17)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dodnastes-669152  Dodnastes (19)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ekanenf-669156  Ekanenf (20)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/fappanu-669157  Fappanu (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/gotomoon-669159  Gotomoon (20)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/haruderty-669161  Haruderty (136)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/jukagid-669163  Jukagid (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ketariz-669167  Ketariz (17)

Then 3 weeks (unsearched period) later.

December 20, 2015, 06:57:32 PM - December 20, 2015, 09:22:14 PM
timescale 2.5 hours. 13 farmed accounts, 1000 spam posts.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cantoner-698307  Cantoner (71)      
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dotnetin-698327  Dotnetin (14)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/esenhowell-698333  Esenhowell (20)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/facultid-698340  Facultid (19)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/gotimour-698351  Gotimour (19)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hallmader-698356  Hallmader (19)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/jackling-698362  Jackling (19)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kwiksave-698370  Kwiksave (60)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/luterwish-698379  Luterwish (17)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/monumental-698381  Monumental (24)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/natlind-698387  Natlind (71)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/oralmat-698392  Oralmat (641)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/patricken-698398  patricken (23)
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August 29, 2016, 10:11:50 AM
#44

So, the other early bbc. listing, https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/angryswamp-553242 angryswamp

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/frostice-553230  frostice (16)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/airsounds-553232  airsounds (165)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/fireball4-553235  fireball4 (166)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/oceanriver-553238  oceanriver (140)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/angryswamp-553242  angryswamp (175) ***

frostice (16)            Sep 8,25  Oct 23,30       Nov 20   Dec 5,20,23   Jan 5,22 Feb 2,18
airsounds (165)       Sep 8,25  Oct 11,23,30  Nov 20   Dec 5,20,23   Jan 5,22 Feb 2,18
fireball4 (166)         Sep 8,25  Oct 11,23,      Nov 20   Dec 5,20,23   Jan 5,22 Feb 2,18
oceanriver (140)     Sep 8,      Oct 11,23,30   Nov 20   Dec 5,20,23   Jan 5,22 Feb 2,18
angryswamp (175)  Sep 8,25  Oct 11,23,30   Nov 20   Dec 5,20,23    Jan 5,22 Feb 2,18

They start very slightly different but...  and Nov 20!
Time scale 30 minutes. 5 farmed accounts, 600 spam posts.

*** bbc, spam list
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August 29, 2016, 09:51:19 AM
#43

For the more advanced let me try this list on you, involving potato power from bbc. list. (this is the oldest accounts on bbc. list. pre names pattern.)
Note the generally higher post counts.


https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cobblelyf-552965  cobblelyf  (39)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/pianomasta-552967  pianomasta (36)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/greatr-552970  greatr (282)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/useless4-552972  useless4 (280)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ontrackk-552974  ontrackk (243)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/funbarrel-552978  funbarrel (297)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/potatopower-552983  potatopower (176) ***
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/purebitco-552985  purebitco (250)

8 random names, so no clues there. Back to how I start (and continue) verifying. Posting schedule.
Let's look at their first 12 posts. (all rehashed meaningless content, if you wish to verify further take a read)

     
cobblelyf  (39)             Sep 7,21  Oct 10,19,30  Nov 20  Dec 5,20,23  Jan 5,22 Feb 2
pianomasta (36)          Sep 7,21  Oct 10,19,30  Nov 20  Dec 5,20,23  Jan 5,22 Feb 2
greatr (282)                Sep 7,25  Oct 10,19,30  Nov 20  Dec 5,20,23  Jan 5,22 Feb 2
useless4 (280)             Sep 7,25  Oct 10,19,30  Nov 20  Dec 5,20,23  Jan 5,22 Feb 2
ontrackk (243)             Sep 7,25  Oct 10,19,30  Nov 20  Dec 5,20,23  Jan 5,22 Feb 2   
funbarrel (297)            Sep 7,25  Oct 10,23,30  Nov 20  Dec 5,20,23  Jan 5,22 Feb 2 
potatopower (176) *** Sep 7,25  Oct 11,23,30  Nov 20  Dec 5,20,23  Jan 5,22 Feb 2 
purebitco (250)            Sep 7,25  Oct 11,23,30  Nov 20  Dec 5,20,23  Jan 5,22 Feb 2 

Farmed? Conclusive.
Time scale 1 hour.  8 farmed accounts, 1550 spam posts.



***bbc. spam list

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August 29, 2016, 08:24:57 AM
#42
Is it possible for mods to nuke entire threads?
If a users post is deleted, does their post count get reduced?

^^If yes and yes then:

Why not start nuking the biggest most obvious sig spam threads to discourage meaningless posts, even the ones that are 2 complete sentences.
This one has over 3,000 replies: is gambling fix your life? or wreck your life?
I bet it would set a few farmers back quite a bit if you just nuked the 5 most obvious farm threads in gambling section.

Yes and Yes.

Different issue I feel.
Why not tackle farmers head on. All farmed posts by their very nature are worthless.
If these accounts were removed other actions, such as you suggest, might then have a value.

If I have linked all these accounts as farmed, how can anyone say any has value.
Who would want to talk to a farmed account if they knew? Only other farmed accounts.

If Theymos banned all accounts shown here, by declaring them worthless spam maybe, that would send out a clear message.
He clearly does not want to send that message, yet.

but to genuine members it's the participation and information that counts more than a fast progression through the ranks, and they would have to make better quality posts to achieve that too.

Exactly.
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August 29, 2016, 08:08:10 AM
#41
I stopped looking when I got down to "A" on my posted alphabet lists.
But, while checking https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ruhtilg-669128 from bbc. list,my mistake became apparent.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kepariy-669117  Kepariy  (20)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lavavest-669119  Lavavest (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mulzatas-669122  Mulzatas (85)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/nadicona-669123  Nadicona (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/pasutinmeur-669124  Pasutinmeur (22)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ruhtilg-669128  Ruhtilg (89) ***
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/sidtamfia-669131  Sidtamfia (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/tafbiat-669134  Tafbiat (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vixmore-669137  Vixmore (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/washika-669140  Washika (303)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/xavofat-669141  Xavofat (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/yauthitdar-669142  Yauthitdar (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zivdafast-669143  Zivdafast (21)

The very next member was https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/auponef-669144  Auponef ***, from alphabet list #4. (and bbc. list)

Time scale 1 hour 5 min. 660 spam posts.
(of note https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/sellavator-669132 sellavator (40))

So I checked the other 3 alphabet lists back from "A". 1 and 2 drew nothing.
list 3 was as follows,

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mukyasa-668587  Mukyasa (22)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/nabicoma-668589  Nabicoma (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/pasttimeuftor-668601  Pasttimeuftor (20)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/qastessa-668603  Qastessa (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/rugtilf-668607  Rugtilf (20)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/sictalfia-668610  Sictalfia (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/tadblt-668615  Tadblt (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vivlore-668616  Vivlore (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/wargika-668618  Wargika (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/xapodat-668622  Xapodat (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/yaupgitda-668633  Yaupgitda (20)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zitdadast-668636  Zitdadast (301)

The very next member was https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/appuned-668637  Appuned (20) from alphabet list #3

Time scale 1.5 hours. 520 spam posts.

This is exactly what Problems I have that Theymos would not have. If I don't manually click, I don't get to see.
No way am I going to click 100,000 members, just to cover the bbc. list!
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August 29, 2016, 07:57:45 AM
#40

This one has over 3,000 replies: is gambling fix your life? or wreck your life?
I bet it would set a few farmers back quite a bit if you just nuked the 5 most obvious farm threads in gambling section.

That's not it,there are threads in bitcoin discussion section which are completely pointless to exist on this forum
[not linking them but I'm sure you can find it in first 10 pages]

->What if i give you 10 bitcoins ?
->How to teach my dog about bitcoins?
->Bitcoin and aliens ?
->Can I buy respect with bitcoins?

^^not exactly the same but pretty much its the same thing.Gambling section is way off,let's not even talk about it.Mods hate it so much that they don't prefer bothering about that section anymore.
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August 29, 2016, 07:51:17 AM
#39
Is it possible for mods to nuke entire threads?

If a users post is deleted, does their post count get reduced?

^^If yes and yes then:

Why not start nuking the biggest most obvious sig spam threads to discourage meaningless posts, even the ones that are 2 complete sentences.

This one has over 3,000 replies: is gambling fix your life? or wreck your life?
I bet it would set a few farmers back quite a bit if you just nuked the 5 most obvious farm threads in gambling section.
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August 29, 2016, 07:37:16 AM
#38
Account farming may be less appealing if the settings of their favourite boards were modified to not increment post counts. For example, I don't see why posts in the Off-Topic board should count towards member post counts. Marketplace and Speculation could also be considered.

That would mean there would no longer be any point in account farmers posting in those boards. Yes, many would simply post in other boards instead but they would have to try harder to stay on-topic and constructive in the other boards, and if they didn't their spam posts would be more likely moderated and deleted as they appeared.

Of course it would also make it harder for genuine members to rank up their accounts, but to genuine members it's the participation and information that counts more than a fast progression through the ranks, and they would have to make better quality posts to achieve that too.
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August 29, 2016, 07:21:14 AM
#37
Good work TwitchySeal and Joel_Jantsen.
Omegasun is only 4 members away from https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/fruitbucket-639372 on bbc.reporter list!

If you can get one of these accounts banned, then the administration will also likely ban all of their alt accounts as well. Although I do not know how much effort these farmers put into hiding the fact that each of their accounts are controlled by the same person.

As I am showing, the farmer here did not put in much effort to hide this. Hence Theymos already knows.
I am clicking through a target range of 100,000 members + here. One by one.
Theymos could just scroll down the member list and see all this in 5 minutes.

If an account farmer (or anyone) makes a large number of low value posts then they will likely get banned.

Are you sure that there are in fact "hundreds" of people farming large numbers of accounts?
What rules would you propose implementing that would stop this kind of farming?

This cannot be fought case by case. All farmed posts are of NO value. They only have one purpose - build post count.
Theymos can decide, he can see this and the bigger picture clearly. Or he could at least communicate his take.
(i have always said that 1 or 2 farmers have created all accounts in question here!)

I am sure theymos is well aware of the problem, so are the mods and staff of the forum, but how do they prevent this?
In fact, I think theymos is doing an impressive job in tacking these issues wherever possible.

Could you link me to some impressiveness please. I've had no input here.
The accounts in question are around 10 months old. No sign of any impressive action yet.
Theymos could have done all my detecting work in 5 minutes, with his tools. 10 month old accounts. 5 minutes work.

The community + moderators find and remove spam and off-topic content, and ban members who are found abusing or breaking rules
To disincentivize farming I see two choices:
Restrict account trade to the maximum extent.
Restrict signatures or signature campaigns.

Yes, inconsistently, slowly, one by one.
Mods said copy/paste is zero tolerance. But even my copy/paste reports go ignored. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/known-spammers-user-generated-1586378
Banning a member here and a member there for low quality posting is futile when 100's of accounts are openly being farmed.
The more low quality there is, the harder it is to justify banning each individual account, The next account is just as bad?
I'm sure there are other choices here.


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August 28, 2016, 11:48:08 PM
#36
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August 28, 2016, 10:48:38 PM
#35
No problem. As long as your account does not create a problem with the post is certainly not a problem. but in 1 ip address, there will be limitations to create your account
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August 28, 2016, 01:04:00 PM
#34
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August 28, 2016, 12:12:11 PM
#33
Same kind of pattern here.
(this list covers a two and a half hour registration time span)
All happily posting away. Another 1900 meaningless spam posts from 24 farmed accounts.
(I think there was barely 1 normal active user in in-betwen these accounts. The rest in-between accounts are inactive 0 post accounts)
Okay, so it looks like the pattern that you found is that someone picks a word or a name, then creates a bunch of accounts with various letters appended into the middle of the word.

I think it is reasonable to say that all of the accounts that use the same name were probably created by the same person. If two names were used to create accounts at roughly the same time, then these were probably also created by the same person.

One very important point that I want to make is that someone having any number of accounts is not, in itself a bad thing. There is nothing inherently wrong with someone having, say 5 accounts, nor is there anything wrong with having 5,000 accounts, although the later is probably very rare.

If you want to show if you want any action taken about this, is that these farmed accounts are negatively impacting the ability to discuss the subject matter of any given thread. Looking at the oldest posts of "sadyas" and related accounts' posts, it looks like that most of the posts are mostly one liners that most likely add very little to the discussion. If you can get one of these accounts banned, then the administration will also likely ban all of their alt accounts as well. Although I do not know how much effort these farmers put into hiding the fact that each of their accounts are controlled by the same person.

If an account farmer (or anyone) makes a large number of low value posts then they will likely get banned. A well established account will need to make a decent number of low value posts before they are in danger of getting banned. An account farmer could simply make generally interesting posts to get around violating this rule. An account farmer would need to put in a generally small amount of effort to not break this rule.

Clearly the farmer knows this and does have a certain quality, albeit low. The same mundane sentences are rehashed infinitely.
You know how hard it can be to build a case against 1 spammer. There are thousands of these farmed accounts.
By the time someone campaign's to get 1 banned, there are probably 100's more.
This is why it is up to Theymos to act against, or not. Nothing we can do.
I'll just try to highlight the scale of the problem. I never realised before.
Are you sure that there are in fact "hundreds" of people farming large numbers of accounts? I have not seen this kind of pattern before. Based on what you have posted publicly so far, I think it is more likely that a small number of people are farming the accounts you have posted, so I think banning only one of them would probably have a large impact.


If you assume that someone can make 0.001BTC per post (which I do not think is unrealistic, and is even maybe low), and over the long run, can make one post every 2 minutes (again, not unrealistic, but the post quality would not be very good), then someone can make roughly $18 per hour just by posting while participating in a signature campaign if they can find enough threads to reply to throughout the day.

When you compare this to making $8-$9 per hour, flipping burgers at McDonalds posting large numbers of posts can be very appealing to a certain group of people.

So, hire someone at $5 per hour, and keep $10 per hour in profit. Hire 10 people, keep $1000 per day profit. It must be happening?
These accounts I am highlighting are most likely created by 1 or 2 or very few people. It is a unique and identifiable circumstance.
It could easily be solved, independently of other multi-account or spam issues, as I think I have shown how easily they can be detected.
I am not sure that it would be advisable to hire people to post for you, as there would be a lot of risks. One risk would be that the employee simply steals your account, another would be that the employee scams with your account, ruining your account's reputation. If the employee's post quality is too low, then you would be risking that all of your accounts get banned. There is also the issue of figuring out how to get someone to do something on your behalf for $5 per hour, when they could do it on their on for $18 per hour. 

I have however wondered about people using bots with fairly decent amounts of AI to post. I know that people have used bots to post in the past, however the AI in these cases have been non-existent.

There are certain vague rules that could be applied, but are not being.
The rules are meant to be broad so that a new rule does not need to be created for every unique situation, however they should not be vague so that people do not know prior to the fact if they are breaking a rule or not.

What rules would you propose implementing that would stop this kind of farming?
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August 28, 2016, 11:54:03 AM
#32

This list needs publishing.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zosuda-663111  Zosuda  (22)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/molsewid-663116                           molsewid  (22)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bamselk-663122                                                    Bamselk  (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/fasdorcas-663129                                                                              fasdorcas  (22)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zadicar-663136  Zadicar  (860)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/malsetid-663142                           Malsetid  (22)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bamsed-663146                                                    Bamsed  (67) ***
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/fasdurcas-663156                                                                             Fasdurcas  (23)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zudalar-663174  Zudalar (22)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mastsetad-663185                           Mastsetad  (1344)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/blamsud-663190                                                    Blamsud  (21)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/farstdury-663195                                                                            Farstdury (23) 


Time scale is 1 hour.
12 farmed accounts creating 2400 spam posts  (post count in brackets) Mastsetad produced 1344 spam posts alone.

*** bbc. reporter list.
legendary
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August 28, 2016, 10:54:56 AM
#31
K~Ehleyr, without the name connections, this would have been so much harder to "show" clearly.
That is pure luck for me. I didn't expect to find these patterns either. Clearly all my posts are about the work of 1 single entity farmer.

Chris! thanks for looking. Great idea of yours I think. (can't quite get my head round it yet..) Is that something you could/would do?
Anything that clearly illustrates this situation would be good.
I will probably make one long list at some point, consolidate my multiple lists!

Bear in mind I have very limited tools or access (or incentive) for this search.
Inferior tools and access than mods, far inferior tools and access than global mods. Far, far inferior tools and access than Theymos.
Still I found all this very quickly.

Theymos must have known all I have published already. And what I will publish next.


Hahaha it's a long story but no I can't Smiley




(Not so) long story/off topic: we have a baby at home so all day our house is kind of askew. Before we go to bed my wife likes to have us both run around and clean stuff up. Well she was feeding the baby so I cleaned up. Anyways so to wrap this up quickly I forgot a giant cup of water on an end table. We each had a laptop on the floor. We have a cat. She's... I don't want to say awful (because if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all Wink). If she's thirsty her first instant is to go to a glass that we have somewhere and drink from it. It doesn't matter if it's on the counter, table, floor, ceiling whatever. If she can't get her head in the cup naturally she knocks it over because that's going to give her a tsp of water. Anyways, we have two ruined laptops now. Completely waterlogged. 1 hard drive might be ok but my laptop is 100% f***ed.

I'm sure I could figure out how to make a graph on my BlackBerry but it would be utterly painful. Assuming I can get one of the laptops to work I'd gladly do this for the community!


TL;DR version: Cat + Water + Laptop = no I can't do it sorry.
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August 28, 2016, 09:57:19 AM
#30
I am sure theymos is well aware of the problem, so are the mods and staff of the forum, but how do they prevent this?

In fact, I think theymos is doing an impressive job in tacking these issues wherever possible. The forum has measures like 'units of evil', a good trust feedback system; along with a strong moderation system which gets significantly better in the new forum.


The community + moderators find and remove spam and off-topic content, and ban members who are found abusing or breaking rules and so establishes a check on these farmers' activities, but this is not exactly preventive beyond an extent.

To disincentivize farming I see two choices:
Restrict account trade to the maximum extent.
Restrict signatures or signature campaigns.

A lot disagree with both (reasons being potential ineffectiveness, personal interests and potential negative impacts), so it is unlikely there will be any significant changes to come.
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