Topic: [ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread - page 56. (Read 479475 times)

This whole conversation is insane! What a total joke.

If security x spends a or b or c and makes d or e or f then it's valued at g or h or  i and shares are worth j or k or l and therefore weekly dividends will be m or n or o and therefore I can not decide if it's a good investment.

Do you go through many keyboards Boab? Lol

From what little financial documents I have seen from ASICMiner, it costs them $1.50 per GH/s. So selling a 10 GH/s blade at 4 BTC is a $15 cost on ~$460, or a 3000%+ markup.

Sure, why not? Unless, it's below the market price over time X.
If Co shares are trading below book value and Co has free cash laying around, it's a smart move and good for the rest of the share holders.

Ken has the right to buy back shares? 

this is exactly what I am trying to figure out, leaving emotions, beliefs and other nonsense out of this equation.
Problem is, we do not even know what the book value of Actm is

No, this is pure fiction. I made a guess and used really fat cross margin to make the calculation to get some kind of an idea how many units must be sold to generate 4 667 689 USD in profits from hardware sales.
I have no idea what those chips are going to cost and how much is actually spent as of now.
I also have no idea how much is the cost of assembly, testing, transport etc etc are for any of those units. Only number I have seen is the price those products are sold. So I made an estimate on little we have.

Is 66.7% a good markup in this industry, if you pay for full R&D etc, basically form drawing board to a final delivery.
Maybe it's 80 or 30% or 200% Do any of you know?

Is this stock still a good buy? I am kinda scared at the constant sell offs, I put alot into this.

Agreed.  And my reputation, but I've had with this wanker and I no longer care.  I'm holding very, very long so I am going no where in a hurry.  Better get used to zumzero2 bacause I'm not taking prisoners! 

You've done more damage to your argument here than you can repair.

EskimoBob,

Does the "cost" column represent the expense to ActiveMining? Are those pulled from a document somewhere? Or is this based on an arbitrary 66.67% markup?

The cost to the company per GH/s appears really terrible, frankly.

you win. spelling.

twat

EDIT:  you come in here spouting off with that fat gob of yours and insulting everyone left, right and centre (uk spelling) while critising others and then have the audacity to throw a fuck load of random numbers around and preach is if it's Gospel.  I don't think so fuck face.  The only reason you have over 700 posts is because you are a classic knee-jerk-spews-before-he-thinks muppet.  Away and cut a hole in the ice and dip that fat face of yours in it while counting out those random numbers to yourself.  

You've clearly got a vendetta and I'd bet you're butt hurt that you didn't get accepted on to the board.

Dear moron zumzero, what is so "rediculous" about it?
Try not to sound too ridiculous, while enlightening us all

What a totally rediculous and futile exercise that was Boab.  lol

Here, I think I'll take you up on the offer to do so myself.  Here's what I get...



68463546857654+68746846846368475486546516841561353541241654144687487487989203020564685431102.3864654564
65436543513541645413516346543556565253165416854684-*9*/86555415125643553565465++512654468568465846+958-
68463546857654+68746846846368475486546516841561353541241654144687487487989203020564685431102.3864654564
65436543513541645413516346543556565253165416854684-*9*/86555415125643553565465++512654468568465846+958-
68463546857654+68746846846368475486546516841561353541241654144687487487989203020564685431102.3864654564
65436543513541645413516346543556565253165416854684-*9*/86555415125643553565465++512654468568465846+958-
68463546857654+68746846846368475486546516841561353541241654144687487487989203020564685431102.3864654564
65436543513541645413516346543556565253165416854684-*9*/86555415125643553565465++512654468568465846+958-
68463546857654+68746846846368475486546516841561353541241654144687487487989203020564685431102.3864654564
65436543513541645413516346543556565253165416854684-*9*/86555415125643553565465++512654468568465846+958-
68463546857654+68746846846368475486546516841561353541241654144687487487989203020564685431102.3864654564
65436543513541645413516346543556565253165416854684-*9*/86555415125643553565465++512654468568465846+958-

As I stated, those are completely made up numbers just to get an "idea" how many units ActiveMining has to sell in 52 weeks to justify the current share price. I did not include any mining revenue. You are welcome to do so and adjust the numbers accordingly.
 
I used 52 weeks (from now) as time frame. "BTC world" keeps demonstrating its collective ADD so anything over that is probably too confusing.
In real world, 3-5 year earnings are used for quick "back of a napkin" value calculation. Share price is just a reflection of what the Co is expected to earn in next X years. We have no financial reports or any reliable long and short therm predictions for production, sales, expenses, made by ActM. (stuff that EVERY company in the world has, except in this kindergarten Even "one man and a dog" companies do that.  

Instead of proposing possible adjustments to this prediction, with actual numbers, the foaming cheerleaders started to whine and moan. As expected, of course.

What do you predict for mining income in next 52 weeks?  

If they sell there shares on btc-tc and re-buy them on BF they could add a few extra shares to there portfolio for the same amount of BTC. I moved some over there today due to the price being so low.

How is the sale of 35k ActM shares related to a share transfer to BF?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3105152 I guess.

Could be someone moving there shares to BF.

what happened in last few minutes?

Are the "units sold" numbers made up or real?

Are you serious? Again a nonsense post, and that makes 3 times you have failed to get this extremely simple point. Come back tomorrow when you are sober and read this page again. Goodnight.

dear moron, can you read bold italic text?

Now, lets do the math together:

9972881*0.0040=39891.524 - Is this correct? (outstanding shares times price at the time of calculation) = total in BTC  

39891.524*117=4667308.308 USD (I replaced "," with "." so moronzero can understand it too)
Is this correct calculation?

What is this mysterious 117, you may ask? This is BTC:USD exchange rate.

Why did I use USD? Because selling shit in real world (even for BTC) USD and/or EUR exchange rates will define the price in BTC. Not the other way around.
So, BTC is irrelevant in this calculation because we have no idea, what the BTC:EUR or USD will be in the future. What we do know, is the price in USD for the hardware as of now. What the profit margin is? I have no idea and this was just a speculation. I bet it's not 40% so the numbers have to be way bigger.  
Is this too fkn complicated for you comprehend?

BTW, feel free to subtract the mining profits and reduce the hardware (includes chips) sales numbers accordingly.



At what price are those chips sold? How many USD did it cost?
BTW, I am not your friend
If you believe that "probablly 80-90% will come from mining and possibly 100%" we are in serious trouble. You can buy more shares... obviously.