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sr. member
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calculation to get some kind of an idea how many units must be sold to generate 4 667 689 USD in profits from hardware sales.

About 10.5 units



This is ActM so everything is 100% profit  Cool

(yes it's an old pic before anyone gets emotional)
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EskimoBob,

Does the "cost" column represent the expense to ActiveMining? Are those pulled from a document somewhere? Or is this based on an arbitrary 66.67% markup?

The cost to the company per GH/s appears really terrible, frankly.

No, this is pure fiction. Smiley I made a guess and used really fat cross margin to make the calculation to get some kind of an idea how many units must be sold to generate 4 667 689 USD in profits from hardware sales.
I have no idea what those chips are going to cost and how much is actually spent as of now.
I also have no idea how much is the cost of assembly, testing, transport etc etc are for any of those units. Only number I have seen is the price those products are sold. So I made an estimate on little we have.

Is 66.7% a good markup in this industry, if you pay for full R&D etc, basically form drawing board to a final delivery.
Maybe it's 80 or 30% or 200% Smiley Do any of you know?


This whole conversation is insane! What a total joke.

If security x spends a or b or c and makes d or e or f then it's valued at g or h or  i and shares are worth j or k or l and therefore weekly dividends will be m or n or o and therefore I can not decide if it's a good investment.

Do you go through many keyboards Boab? Lol
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EskimoBob,

Does the "cost" column represent the expense to ActiveMining? Are those pulled from a document somewhere? Or is this based on an arbitrary 66.67% markup?

The cost to the company per GH/s appears really terrible, frankly.

No, this is pure fiction. Smiley I made a guess and used really fat cross margin to make the calculation to get some kind of an idea how many units must be sold to generate 4 667 689 USD in profits from hardware sales.
I have no idea what those chips are going to cost and how much is actually spent as of now.
I also have no idea how much is the cost of assembly, testing, transport etc etc are for any of those units. Only number I have seen is the price those products are sold. So I made an estimate on little we have.

Is 66.7% a good markup in this industry, if you pay for full R&D etc, basically form drawing board to a final delivery.
Maybe it's 80 or 30% or 200% Smiley Do any of you know?


From what little financial documents I have seen from ASICMiner, it costs them $1.50 per GH/s. So selling a 10 GH/s blade at 4 BTC is a $15 cost on ~$460, or a 3000%+ markup.
legendary
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Ken has the right to buy back shares?  Huh

Sure, why not? Unless, it's below the market price over time X.
If Co shares are trading below book value and Co has free cash laying around, it's a smart move and good for the rest of the share holders.
newbie
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Ken has the right to buy back shares?  Huh
legendary
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Is this stock still a good buy? I am kinda scared at the constant sell offs, I put alot into this.

this is exactly what I am trying to figure out, leaving emotions, beliefs and other nonsense out of this equation.
Problem is, we do not even know what the book value of Actm is Smiley
legendary
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EskimoBob,

Does the "cost" column represent the expense to ActiveMining? Are those pulled from a document somewhere? Or is this based on an arbitrary 66.67% markup?

The cost to the company per GH/s appears really terrible, frankly.

No, this is pure fiction. Smiley I made a guess and used really fat cross margin to make the calculation to get some kind of an idea how many units must be sold to generate 4 667 689 USD in profits from hardware sales.
I have no idea what those chips are going to cost and how much is actually spent as of now.
I also have no idea how much is the cost of assembly, testing, transport etc etc are for any of those units. Only number I have seen is the price those products are sold. So I made an estimate on little we have.

Is 66.7% a good markup in this industry, if you pay for full R&D etc, basically form drawing board to a final delivery.
Maybe it's 80 or 30% or 200% Smiley Do any of you know?
legendary
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Is this stock still a good buy? I am kinda scared at the constant sell offs, I put alot into this.
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myBitcoin.Garden
What a totally rediculous and futile exercise that was Boab.  lol
(....useless crap removed....)


Dear moron zumzero, what is so "rediculous" about it?
Try not to sound too ridiculous, while enlightening us all Wink

you win. spelling.

twat

EDIT:  you come in here spouting off with that fat gob of yours and insulting everyone left, right and centre (uk spelling) while critising others and then have the audacity to throw a fuck load of random numbers around and preach is if it's Gospel.  I don't think so fuck face.  The only reason you have over 700 posts is because you are a classic knee-jerk-spews-before-he-thinks muppet.  Away and cut a hole in the ice and dip that fat face of yours in it while counting out those random numbers to yourself.  Kiss

You've clearly got a vendetta and I'd bet you're butt hurt that you didn't get accepted on to the board.

You've done more damage to your argument here than you can repair.

Agreed.  And my reputation, but I've had with this wanker and I no longer care.  I'm holding very, very long so I am going no where in a hurry.  Better get used to zumzero2 bacause I'm not taking prisoners!  Shocked
sr. member
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What a totally rediculous and futile exercise that was Boab.  lol
(....useless crap removed....)


Dear moron zumzero, what is so "rediculous" about it?
Try not to sound too ridiculous, while enlightening us all Wink

you win. spelling.

twat

EDIT:  you come in here spouting off with that fat gob of yours and insulting everyone left, right and centre (uk spelling) while critising others and then have the audacity to throw a fuck load of random numbers around and preach is if it's Gospel.  I don't think so fuck face.  The only reason you have over 700 posts is because you are a classic knee-jerk-spews-before-he-thinks muppet.  Away and cut a hole in the ice and dip that fat face of yours in it while counting out those random numbers to yourself.  Kiss

You've clearly got a vendetta and I'd bet you're butt hurt that you didn't get accepted on to the board.

You've done more damage to your argument here than you can repair.

EskimoBob,

Does the "cost" column represent the expense to ActiveMining? Are those pulled from a document somewhere? Or is this based on an arbitrary 66.67% markup?

The cost to the company per GH/s appears really terrible, frankly.
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myBitcoin.Garden
What a totally rediculous and futile exercise that was Boab.  lol
(....useless crap removed....)


Dear moron zumzero, what is so "rediculous" about it?
Try not to sound too ridiculous, while enlightening us all Wink

you win. spelling.

twat

EDIT:  you come in here spouting off with that fat gob of yours and insulting everyone left, right and centre (uk spelling) while critising others and then have the audacity to throw a fuck load of random numbers around and preach is if it's Gospel.  I don't think so fuck face.  The only reason you have over 700 posts is because you are a classic knee-jerk-spews-before-he-thinks muppet.  Away and cut a hole in the ice and dip that fat face of yours in it while counting out those random numbers to yourself.  Kiss

You've clearly got a vendetta and I'd bet you're butt hurt that you didn't get accepted on to the board.
legendary
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What a totally rediculous and futile exercise that was Boab.  lol
(....useless crap removed....)


Dear moron zumzero, what is so "rediculous" about it?
Try not to sound too ridiculous, while enlightening us all Wink
hero member
Activity: 602
Merit: 500
myBitcoin.Garden
I ran some numbers for fun, excluding possible profits form mining

Code:
Product                       Revenue         profit      Cost     Markup %   Cross margin   Units sold Profit earn
Fast-Hash One Silver Edition   1774.29        709.716   1064.574     66.67%        40.00%        901     639454.116
Fast-Hash One Gold Edition     3704.05        1481.62    2222.43     66.67%        40.00%        700    1037134
Fast-Hash One Platinum Edition 5699.05        2279.62    3419.43                                 485    1105615.7
                                                                                                   
Fast-Hash-One Silver 64 GH/s      1299          519.6      779.4     66.67%        40.00%        901     468159.6
Fast-Hash-One Gold 128 GH/s       2499          999.6     1499.4     66.67%        40.00%        700     699720
Fast-Hash-One Platinum 256 GH/    3699         1479.6     2219.4     66.67%        40.00%        485     717606
                                                                                         Total  Profit: 4667689.416

Are the "units sold" numbers made up or real?

As I stated, those are completely made up numbers just to get an "idea" how many units ActiveMining has to sell in 52 weeks to justify the current share price. I did not include any mining revenue. You are welcome to do so and adjust the numbers accordingly.
 
I used 52 weeks (from now) as time frame. "BTC world" keeps demonstrating its collective ADD so anything over that is probably too confusing.
In real world, 3-5 year earnings are used for quick "back of a napkin" value calculation. Share price is just a reflection of what the Co is expected to earn in next X years. We have no financial reports or any reliable long and short therm predictions for production, sales, expenses, made by ActM. (stuff that EVERY company in the world has, except in this kindergarten Smiley Even "one man and a dog" companies do that.  

Instead of proposing possible adjustments to this prediction, with actual numbers, the foaming cheerleaders started to whine and moan. As expected, of course.

What do you predict for mining income in next 52 weeks?  


What a totally rediculous and futile exercise that was Boab.  lol

Here, I think I'll take you up on the offer to do so myself.  Here's what I get...



68463546857654+68746846846368475486546516841561353541241654144687487487989203020564685431102.3864654564
65436543513541645413516346543556565253165416854684-*9*/86555415125643553565465++512654468568465846+958-
68463546857654+68746846846368475486546516841561353541241654144687487487989203020564685431102.3864654564
65436543513541645413516346543556565253165416854684-*9*/86555415125643553565465++512654468568465846+958-
68463546857654+68746846846368475486546516841561353541241654144687487487989203020564685431102.3864654564
65436543513541645413516346543556565253165416854684-*9*/86555415125643553565465++512654468568465846+958-
68463546857654+68746846846368475486546516841561353541241654144687487487989203020564685431102.3864654564
65436543513541645413516346543556565253165416854684-*9*/86555415125643553565465++512654468568465846+958-
68463546857654+68746846846368475486546516841561353541241654144687487487989203020564685431102.3864654564
65436543513541645413516346543556565253165416854684-*9*/86555415125643553565465++512654468568465846+958-
68463546857654+68746846846368475486546516841561353541241654144687487487989203020564685431102.3864654564
65436543513541645413516346543556565253165416854684-*9*/86555415125643553565465++512654468568465846+958-
legendary
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I ran some numbers for fun, excluding possible profits form mining

Code:
Product                       Revenue         profit      Cost     Markup %   Cross margin   Units sold Profit earn
Fast-Hash One Silver Edition   1774.29        709.716   1064.574     66.67%        40.00%        901     639454.116
Fast-Hash One Gold Edition     3704.05        1481.62    2222.43     66.67%        40.00%        700    1037134
Fast-Hash One Platinum Edition 5699.05        2279.62    3419.43                                 485    1105615.7
                                                                                                   
Fast-Hash-One Silver 64 GH/s      1299          519.6      779.4     66.67%        40.00%        901     468159.6
Fast-Hash-One Gold 128 GH/s       2499          999.6     1499.4     66.67%        40.00%        700     699720
Fast-Hash-One Platinum 256 GH/    3699         1479.6     2219.4     66.67%        40.00%        485     717606
                                                                                         Total  Profit: 4667689.416

Are the "units sold" numbers made up or real?

As I stated, those are completely made up numbers just to get an "idea" how many units ActiveMining has to sell in 52 weeks to justify the current share price. I did not include any mining revenue. You are welcome to do so and adjust the numbers accordingly.
 
I used 52 weeks (from now) as time frame. "BTC world" keeps demonstrating its collective ADD so anything over that is probably too confusing.
In real world, 3-5 year earnings are used for quick "back of a napkin" value calculation. Share price is just a reflection of what the Co is expected to earn in next X years. We have no financial reports or any reliable long and short therm predictions for production, sales, expenses, made by ActM. (stuff that EVERY company in the world has, except in this kindergarten Smiley Even "one man and a dog" companies do that.  

Instead of proposing possible adjustments to this prediction, with actual numbers, the foaming cheerleaders started to whine and moan. As expected, of course.

What do you predict for mining income in next 52 weeks?  
hero member
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what happened in last few minutes?
Could be someone moving there shares to BF.

How is the sale of 35k ActM shares related to a share transfer to BF?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3105152 I guess.
If they sell there shares on btc-tc and re-buy them on BF they could add a few extra shares to there portfolio for the same amount of BTC. I moved some over there today due to the price being so low.
legendary
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what happened in last few minutes?
Could be someone moving there shares to BF.

How is the sale of 35k ActM shares related to a share transfer to BF?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3105152 I guess.
hero member
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what happened in last few minutes?
Could be someone moving there shares to BF.
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what happened in last few minutes?
legendary
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I ran some numbers for fun, excluding possible profits form mining

Code:
Product                       Revenue         profit      Cost     Markup %   Cross margin   Units sold Profit earn
Fast-Hash One Silver Edition   1774.29        709.716   1064.574     66.67%        40.00%        901     639454.116
Fast-Hash One Gold Edition     3704.05        1481.62    2222.43     66.67%        40.00%        700    1037134
Fast-Hash One Platinum Edition 5699.05        2279.62    3419.43                                 485    1105615.7
                                                                                                   
Fast-Hash-One Silver 64 GH/s      1299          519.6      779.4     66.67%        40.00%        901     468159.6
Fast-Hash-One Gold 128 GH/s       2499          999.6     1499.4     66.67%        40.00%        700     699720
Fast-Hash-One Platinum 256 GH/    3699         1479.6     2219.4     66.67%        40.00%        485     717606
                                                                                         Total  Profit: 4667689.416

Are the "units sold" numbers made up or real?
sr. member
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Are you serious? Again a nonsense post, and that makes 3 times you have failed to get this extremely simple point. Come back tomorrow when you are sober and read this page again. Goodnight.
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