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Quote from: abracadabra on November 02, 2012, 07:36:06 PM

When is the Jalapeno getting FCC approval?

Maybe two weeks? We are waiting for the test lab to issue the test report.

With the bump in power requirements on the MR and the new screen, we had to make changes, although the new screen is already certified. We are doing all the devices at once, since they all share the same board.

Soon, we will get to the bottom of this. I just sent out 5 emails to the FCC. Tomorrow, I make a call. I tried earlier but they were already closed. Make no mistake, I will not make the same mistake tomorrow.

Josh/BFL, you want to play hardball? Let's Play!

GAME ON!

I don't see why you really care so much about BFL's FCC status.

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Quote from: Inaba on November 03, 2012, 01:03:19 AM

Quote from: abracadabra on November 02, 2012, 07:36:06 PM

When is the Jalapeno getting FCC approval?

Maybe two weeks? We are waiting for the test lab to issue the test report.

With the bump in power requirements on the MR and the new screen, we had to make changes, although the new screen is already certified. We are doing all the devices at once, since they all share the same board.

Soon, we will get to the bottom of this. I just sent out 5 emails to the FCC. Tomorrow, I make a call. I tried earlier but they were already closed. Make no mistake, I will not make the same mistake tomorrow.

Josh/BFL, you want to play hardball? Let's Play!

GAME ON!

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Quote from: Bicknellski on August 26, 2013, 12:18:48 AM

Quote from: Inaba on November 03, 2012, 01:03:19 AM

Quote from: abracadabra on November 02, 2012, 07:36:06 PM

When is the Jalapeno getting FCC approval?

Maybe two weeks? We are waiting for the test lab to issue the test report.

With the bump in power requirements on the MR and the new screen, we had to make changes, although the new screen is already certified. We are doing all the devices at once, since they all share the same board.

How is that 2 week FCC certification coming?

ahahaha, yeah an update on that would be nice eh?

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Quote from: Inaba on November 03, 2012, 01:03:19 AM

Quote from: abracadabra on November 02, 2012, 07:36:06 PM

When is the Jalapeno getting FCC approval?

Maybe two weeks? We are waiting for the test lab to issue the test report.

With the bump in power requirements on the MR and the new screen, we had to make changes, although the new screen is already certified. We are doing all the devices at once, since they all share the same board.

How is that 2 week FCC certification coming?

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Quote from: PuertoLibre on November 09, 2012, 03:23:33 PM

By the way, the first chip run for BFL is allegedly 20,000 chips.

20,000 ASIC chips can make

20k / 8 = 2,500 Single SC chips.
20k / ? = ?,??? Little SC chips.
20k / 1 = 20,000 Jalapenos.
20k / 200 = 100 Mini-rigs.

Those are the totals if a batch of 20,000 are divided above as if the batch were used exclusively for one type.

Question: How does one go about fulfilling 12,000 order ID's? Lets assume there are less than 6,000 valid orders. (no clue how many are multiple units in each order...so lets assume it makes up to 6,000 assorted units. Some will order several units while others only 1 unit.)

How does one go about fulfilling that many orders with only 20k ASIC chips? Anyone know how many chips will go into each little single SC?

Has BFL even gotten the 20K chips yet? From what I've read, they'll need at least 40K chips to accomplish the same task. Too bad twice as many units were ordered since this exampled was used.

Now, BFL is in the chips selling business while investors who ordered Little Singles get pushed further down the queue since they were tricked by BFL to trade in their Chilly Peppers.

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Quote from: kano on November 11, 2012, 06:00:00 PM

Well there is a relevance of chips <-> device coz it affects the difficulty.
The J'things produce a lot less GH/s per chip.

If that impacts the overall hashrate by more than 10% I'd be amazed. Many more chips will be going into the other models, which means that the slower speed of the Jally should be discounted to 25%, 12.5% or less on a per unit basis.

let me just make a point, I don't think that Jally's are going to be as popular as singles (or even little singles) but let's assume half of what they sell if Jally's and they sell 1000 of each them and Singles.

Jally: 1000*4.5 = 4.5TH
Single: 1000*8*7.5 = 60TH
Total: 9000 Chips for 64.5TH
Average per chip: 7.16GH/s
Impact of shipping half Jally: 4.5% total hashrate reduction.

It does not matter because it's a small margin and it's something that will be breaking in our favor, but unpredictably. There are so many errors larger than 5% in guessing this stuff that you are better off just assuming the worst.

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Quote from: 2GOOD on November 11, 2012, 07:08:33 PM

Quote from: monstrs on November 11, 2012, 07:02:59 PM

Actually i would like to know if those ASICs will be overclockable? Its no problem to put some fan on them, if that means more GH/s. If they will, that could raise difficulty even more.

AFAIK they will be at half speed ~500Mhz, so maybe with later firmware versions they will be.
IMO the more important question is would Jalapenos offer the possibility to put them at full speed i.e. 7.5Gh/s with proper power source and cooling.

I dont see why this would not be possible, there is always a way around that... Roll Eyes

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Quote from: monstrs on November 11, 2012, 07:02:59 PM

Actually i would like to know if those ASICs will be overclockable? Its no problem to put some fan on them, if that means more GH/s. If they will, that could raise difficulty even more.

AFAIK they will be at half speed ~500Mhz, so maybe with later firmware versions they will be.
IMO the more important question is would Jalapenos offer the possibility to put them at full speed i.e. 7.5Gh/s with proper power source and cooling.

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Actually i would like to know if those ASICs will be overclockable? Its no problem to put some fan on them, if that means more GH/s. If they will, that could raise difficulty even more.

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Well there is a relevance of chips <-> device coz it affects the difficulty.
The J'things produce a lot less GH/s per chip.

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Quote from: monstrs on November 11, 2012, 11:47:19 AM

I dont think we can predict how those chips will be placed between units. There are still people trading in japalenos to something better.

Why bother?

Just assume they are shipping ~15,000 chips over the first 6-8 weeks and finishing the 20K batch within another month or so (close to worst case, all 20K ship by 3/1.) It does not matter if they are in Jally's or Mini-rigs at the macro level, just multiply by 7.5 for worst case.

What is more interesting to me is the actual execution, will they achieve faster shipping, or will it take until 6/1 to sell out of the initial 20K batch?

I'm also trying to factor in a 20% boost in performance for all those chips someafter release when overclocking becomes common or BFL releases faster clockspeed firmware. (500Mhz to 600Mhz) A second boost of 33% (800Mhz) is likely as well, but I'm betting something will give before we hit 1Ghz for most customers.

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Quote from: monstrs on November 11, 2012, 11:47:19 AM

I dont think we can predict how those chips will be placed between units. There are still people trading in japalenos to something better.

The easiest and probably most accurate way is to just look at the wait list thread and assume that's close to the total distribution.

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I dont think we can predict how those chips will be placed between units. There are still people trading in japalenos to something better.

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Quote from: crazyates on November 09, 2012, 09:24:43 PM

I don't think half of all the chips are going to go into Jalapenos. There's a reason they started offering a "Little Single" upgrade from Jalapenos while still maintaining your place in line. Combined with the fact that they only use 1 chip instead of 8, I'd say it's a small percentage of their chips that will be in Jalapenos.

I agree with your logic on this. They went ahead with an upgrade option while maintaining current spots in line. Makes me think they're good for it.

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Maybe I am thinking about this wrong but for each single traded in BFL will send out about 8 asic chips.
1 SC single =8
2 Little Singles likely = 8
8 Jalapenos = 8.

The rigs will throw off the numbers but knowing the raw trade ins are 8 chips per single trade in maybe would get closer to the right number.
Though the Mini rig trade ins will get more. I would expect every order to have at least 8 ASIC chips unless someone paid for a single jalapeno or a little single by itself.

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Quote from: Syke on November 09, 2012, 08:48:27 PM

Quote from: SgtSpike on November 09, 2012, 06:26:05 PM

So maybe it would be better to compare pre-sold TH/s then. Tom doesn't have minirigs... If 50 of those BFL orders are minirigs, that's 75+TH/s right there. It wouldn't take much to make 600-700 orders into more than 100TH/s, depending on what each of those orders was for.

It's really useless speculation anyway. Who cares how many orders there are? What matters is how many TH/s were ordered, and (to a lesser extent), how much revenue those sales brought in to each of the companies.

Right.

BFL: 20,000 chips in the first batch, maybe half of them go into Jalapenos for 4.5 GH/s and half into the other for 7.5 GH/s. We're looking at 120 TH/s preordered if they use every chip.

bASIC: 900 orders, also assume a 50/50 split between the 27 and 54 GH/s rigs. 36.45 TH/s total preordered.

BFL has roughly 3x the orders TH/s-wise as bASIC.

I don't think half of all the chips are going to go into Jalapenos. There's a reason they started offering a "Little Single" upgrade from Jalapenos while still maintaining your place in line. Combined with the fact that they only use 1 chip instead of 8, I'd say it's a small percentage of their chips that will be in Jalapenos.

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Quote from: Syke on November 09, 2012, 08:48:27 PM

Quote from: SgtSpike on November 09, 2012, 06:26:05 PM

So maybe it would be better to compare pre-sold TH/s then. Tom doesn't have minirigs... If 50 of those BFL orders are minirigs, that's 75+TH/s right there. It wouldn't take much to make 600-700 orders into more than 100TH/s, depending on what each of those orders was for.

It's really useless speculation anyway. Who cares how many orders there are? What matters is how many TH/s were ordered, and (to a lesser extent), how much revenue those sales brought in to each of the companies.

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bASIC: 900 orders, also assume a 50/50 split between the 27 and 54 GH/s rigs. 36.45 TH/s total preordered.
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50/50 split is clearly not gonna be correct - I'd 'guess' it would be something like 90/10 since all the original orders were upgraded to 54 when he announced it.
Though even 75/25 puts that up to 42.5TH/s (not a big difference, but still a difference)

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Quote from: SgtSpike on November 09, 2012, 06:26:05 PM

So maybe it would be better to compare pre-sold TH/s then. Tom doesn't have minirigs... If 50 of those BFL orders are minirigs, that's 75+TH/s right there. It wouldn't take much to make 600-700 orders into more than 100TH/s, depending on what each of those orders was for.

It's really useless speculation anyway. Who cares how many orders there are? What matters is how many TH/s were ordered, and (to a lesser extent), how much revenue those sales brought in to each of the companies.

Right.

BFL: 20,000 chips in the first batch, maybe half of them go into Jalapenos for 4.5 GH/s and half into the other for 7.5 GH/s. We're looking at 120 TH/s preordered if they use every chip.

bASIC: 900 orders, also assume a 50/50 split between the 27 and 54 GH/s rigs. 36.45 TH/s total preordered.

BFL has roughly 3x the orders TH/s-wise as bASIC.

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Quote from: punin on November 09, 2012, 02:07:26 PM

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Edit: I want to point out that none of the ASIC manufacturers have shown a prototype, and all have taken full up-front payment for preorders. The only company that has been open about their progress is BlockErupter(Asicminer), but they've run aground with GLBSE now. Also, I'm not aware what is happening on the Avalon mailing list, but looking at Ngzhang's track-record, I'd be amazed if they were not open regarding their progress as well as the risks associated.
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Well - actually - Tom did say they had already done a prototype - but didn't show it.
That was his first announcement of bASIC back in September:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1157524
(stating Nov/Dec delivery)

and the post mentioning the prototype
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1157583

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Quote from: crazyates on November 09, 2012, 06:23:02 PM

Quote from: SgtSpike on November 09, 2012, 06:16:02 PM

How many units on preorder does Tom have?

He had about 900 orders as of about 2 1/2 weeks ago. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1292414

However, I think BFL has a lot more than 600-700 orders. That would mean that only 1 in 20 orders actually got paid. I'm thinking it's 4-5x that amount. About a month ago, they said there were upwards of 100TH/s in pre-orders.

So maybe it would be better to compare pre-sold TH/s then. Tom doesn't have minirigs... If 50 of those BFL orders are minirigs, that's 75+TH/s right there. It wouldn't take much to make 600-700 orders into more than 100TH/s, depending on what each of those orders was for.

It's really useless speculation anyway. Who cares how many orders there are? What matters is how many TH/s were ordered, and (to a lesser extent), how much revenue those sales brought in to each of the companies.

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