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July 20, 2024, 09:22:09 AM
Almost 90% of the people who have a thing against gambling do so because they feel that gambling is addictive. But come to think of it, isn't addiction a choice? After reading lots of stories on the effects of being an addicted gambler, I feel it's 100% possible to tell myself that I can never be addicted to gambling and won't ever get addicted.
Addicted from my viewpoints about it is not a thing of choice because it's an abnormality, an uncomfortable psychological state where the individual have lost selfcontrol, more like a sickness. And no one will want to make a choice of being sick, right?  Gambling addiction mainly have a stake in a gambler as a result of lack of self discipline. Often time, this lack of self discipline doesn't come by choice.

And I can tell you for free that there are gambling addicts who don't even know they have addiction problem. They may probably feel they have strong passion for the game that's why they act the way they do. Provided there is a

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Can you comfortably tell yourself that you have never been addicted to gambling and that you can never be addicted to gambling because of how you go about it?
Never have I been an addict  as far as gambling is in the picture and am certain with how I handle my gambling culture I wouldn't fall into gambling addiction in the future till I voluntarily quit the activity.
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July 20, 2024, 09:21:20 AM
I'm not sure that addiction is 100 percent the gambler's fault.  
Yes, I agree with the phenomenon that people often want to get into trouble themselves or even want to replace reality with their fantasies: as happens in gambling addiction.
In this case, the brain wants to escape from problems. But the fact is that many people themselves are healthy and they become addicted not because of the reasons described above, but because the game is to blame for causing them to become addicted.

Honestly, I respect your opinion. I know that no one knows everything at once, and based on my own idea, I have dropped my opinion above, and I think that addiction is actually the fault of gamblers. Before a gambler becomes addicted, they will get the signs and symptoms of it, but because of ignorance, they will let go of those symptoms and continue to gamble recklessly. There's nothing that we pass through without our mind being aware. If it's something bad, it tells us, but we can choose to ignore it. You don't have to agree with what I say, but I want to know if you have some facts to back up why you think it's not the fault of the gambler.

I sincerely appreciate what you said when you talked about ignoring the symptoms of gambling addiction especially when it is still early before it finally become a habit or addiction, negligence is a bad disease that takes over a gambler who has failed to recognize when he or she is falling apart from the standard that should kept as regards to gambling, I must say that many are being trapped by this gambling addiction as result of considering gambling to be a source of income rather than just to be seen as a game hence become carried away or lost in the act unknowingly to them.
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July 20, 2024, 09:00:02 AM
Actually its all about your choice you cant blame other people because they teach you different platform to play gambling at the end of the day its your money, its your responsibility and its your choice, now if you are not addicted yet you can see the sign that its not into your hobbies but if you keep continuously playing now with your mind keep seeking this excitement and adrenaline to play gambling and taking a risk. If you will observe other people that playing gambling too much and say to them that they are now addicted they will give you most of the time a denial response to cope their mechanism they arent addicted already.
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July 20, 2024, 08:13:10 AM
Like you said gambling is a choice so it is getting addiction is likely a choice as well, because when you set your budget and the amount fixed to be used to gamble then there's no way you would just got addicted that way except you aren't monitoring the amount and how you gamble. To me what mostly affect people is that when they put their trust and hope into gambling that it would give them quick money or took it as the only source of income could easily make them becomes addicted.
Let me tell you that gambling is like taking drugs without the consciousness and the reality of addiction, you simply will keep taking the drugs without knowing that your body system is gradually adjusting to being used to the drugs, and you keep taking the drugs until a time comes when you discover you can no longer go a whole day without taking the drugs, at this point, you have become addicted to that drugs without knowing how it happened, or how you arrived at that stage.

This is how gambling addiction come upon some people gamblers, most especially gambling newbies who do not expose themselves to gambling communities like this forum to learn from other gamblers with better and extensive gambling experiences.
That is fairly accurate explanation in the parable, it cannot be denied that the negative impacts related to addiction for both of these things are really almost the same, the difference is the way to overcome it and prevent it.

A beginner will never say anything if it is related to the badness of the gambling activities they do, let alone admitting to gambling addiction because even admitting defeat they will not be able to do it.
But it should be noted that for those gamblers who have been around for long time and have lot of experience, they can definitely admit whatever happened in the past, this is done to provide insight and also awareness for other gamblers in order to minimize the occurrence of gambling addiction.
And I sure every gambler who has been around for long time has experienced this, I admit that I have also been addicted and lost many things, but all of that can be valuable lesson to change for the better.
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July 20, 2024, 07:44:31 AM
Almost 90% of the people who have a thing against gambling do so because they feel that gambling is addictive. But come to think of it, isn't addiction a choice? After reading lots of stories on the effects of being an addicted gambler, I feel it's 100% possible to tell myself that I can never be addicted to gambling and won't ever get addicted.

If for instance, I decide that I'm only going to gamble once a week and that at each time I will only gamble with an amount like $20 based on my current financial strength, would I ever become addicted to gambling?  Isn't it because you don't have any plan in place and just gamble as your spirit leads that makes you become careless with your gambling and become addicted to the process? Just want to ask this question;

Can you comfortably tell yourself that you have never been addicted to gambling and that you can never be addicted to gambling because of how you go about it?

Telling yourself that you are not going to be addicted to gambling or probably making a gambling budget or plan to suit yourself such that it will not negatively affect your life generally is one different thing from keeping you with your orders or plans, I believe majority that are gambling addict today never plan or wish to be an addict but excessively being carried away by emotions is the major root of not keeping up the original plans, what am trying to say is that telling yourself that you are not going to be a gambling addict is one thing amd keeping up to it is another essential thing that should imperatively stand as a watcher because most times we find ourselves indulging in things we never for, yeah things happens.
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July 20, 2024, 07:00:00 AM
Can you comfortably tell yourself that you have never been addicted to gambling and that you can never be addicted to gambling because of how you go about it?

Addiction is the same as addicted. If excessive, can be categorized as a psychological disease.
Yes. I can comfortably tell myself that I am not a gambling addict even though every weekend I gamble on the type of sport that I like. Establishing money limits and only doing at the end of the weekend almost every week, I am sure I can convince myself that my behavior is not a gambling addict like other addicts who have health effects.
If you are a gambler that gamble every weekend doesn't mean you are an addicted gambler, if one says you are addicted to gamble because you are gambling only at weekends, what about those gamblers that gambles everyday in a week? However gambling everyday doesn't shows that you are an addicted gambler, what makes you an addicted gambler is how expensively you are gambling and how irresponsible you are gambling also.
That could be right if he can not control himself and always gambling every weekend without doing anything. Sooner or later he will becomes addicted to gambling and that can be worst if he spends too much money just to fills his activity.
But if he can limiting his money that he use to playing gambling, he will not becomes addicted to gambling so he can feels enjoy when playing gambling. It is not easy to always take care of ourselves in gambling because we can lose our control anytime.
Becoming gambling addiction or not is our choice and if we really take care of ourselves, we will not addicted to gambling. We can use gambling as a fun thing and not using more and more money because we know the risks.
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July 20, 2024, 06:43:44 AM
Addiction is the same as addicted. If excessive, can be categorized as a psychological disease.
That applies to any kind of addiction, such as alcoholism. Sometimes it's best not to judge, because in the majority of cases, there's a deeper reason why someone becomes addicted. However, I agree with the OP's statement to some degree. We're responsible for our own actions; you chose to be involved in gambling; no one forced you, while you're seeing that you're spending more and more time and money on gambling. You're feeding your addiction, but you choose to ignore it. The worst of all, a large number of addicts have the mentality that they're capable of stopping at any time, but that couldn't be further from the truth.
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July 20, 2024, 04:23:34 AM
Can you comfortably tell yourself that you have never been addicted to gambling and that you can never be addicted to gambling because of how you go about it?

Addiction is the same as addicted. If excessive, can be categorized as a psychological disease.
Yes. I can comfortably tell myself that I am not a gambling addict even though every weekend I gamble on the type of sport that I like. Establishing money limits and only doing at the end of the weekend almost every week, I am sure I can convince myself that my behavior is not a gambling addict like other addicts who have health effects.
If you are a gambler that gamble every weekend doesn't mean you are an addicted gambler, if one says you are addicted to gamble because you are gambling only at weekends, what about those gamblers that gambles everyday in a week? However gambling everyday doesn't shows that you are an addicted gambler, what makes you an addicted gambler is how expensively you are gambling and how irresponsible you are gambling also.
Not all people who do gamble are considered gambling addicts on which there are still some those people who are really that still in good control into their finances and emotions.
Not all people are considered to be that addicted just because they are dealing with gambling, it is really just that typical impressions and views towards gambling which is focusing on that negative
side of things without even trying to look about on the other side. For someone who are really that dealing up with gambling and ending up with addiction then it is really that indeed on someones choice.
Why? It would really be that impossible that you cant be able to notice it out on the moment that you are losing tons of money on the situation on where you are losing money then for sure
you would really be that making yourself having that pause and thinking whether you should proceed or stop.
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July 20, 2024, 03:54:31 AM
Can you comfortably tell yourself that you have never been addicted to gambling and that you can never be addicted to gambling because of how you go about it?

Addiction is the same as addicted. If excessive, can be categorized as a psychological disease.
Yes. I can comfortably tell myself that I am not a gambling addict even though every weekend I gamble on the type of sport that I like. Establishing money limits and only doing at the end of the weekend almost every week, I am sure I can convince myself that my behavior is not a gambling addict like other addicts who have health effects.
If you are a gambler that gamble every weekend doesn't mean you are an addicted gambler, if one says you are addicted to gamble because you are gambling only at weekends, what about those gamblers that gambles everyday in a week? However gambling everyday doesn't shows that you are an addicted gambler, what makes you an addicted gambler is how expensively you are gambling and how irresponsible you are gambling also.
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July 20, 2024, 03:46:11 AM
Can you comfortably tell yourself that you have never been addicted to gambling and that you can never be addicted to gambling because of how you go about it?

Addiction is the same as addicted. If excessive, can be categorized as a psychological disease.
Yes. I can comfortably tell myself that I am not a gambling addict even though every weekend I gamble on the type of sport that I like. Establishing money limits and only doing at the end of the weekend almost every week, I am sure I can convince myself that my behavior is not a gambling addict like other addicts who have health effects.
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July 20, 2024, 03:25:57 AM
Almost 90% of the people who have a thing against gambling do so because they feel that gambling is addictive. But come to think of it, isn't addiction a choice? After reading lots of stories on the effects of being an addicted gambler, I feel it's 100% possible to tell myself that I can never be addicted to gambling and won't ever get addicted.
Bro, you have good points here but if we were fairer, it would be better stated that addiction is not 100% our choice but it's 100% our fault. This thing called emotion which causes addiction is so powerful and the ability to counter it varies among people. This is so because we might be equally born but not with the same ability. Some people have very strong and sharp minds, but we can't say the same of others. To the weak ones, addiction can infest them easily due to their nature, and to also come out of it is a problem. That is why you will be wondering at times about the behaviour of some people as if they are the most foolish person on earth. Their nature matters in this whether we like it or not. Even therapists and others in similar fields term some people strong, but that can only be possible if there is a division in class.

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Can you comfortably tell yourself that you have never been addicted to gambling and that you can never be addicted to gambling because of how you go about it?
Honestly, I've been addicted to gambling before, but I commend my ability to come out of it pretty fast. "It's not about not falling at all, but your ability to rise up again," and note that "what doesn't break you will definitely make you." I am proud to say that is my story in the casino aspect of gambling, especially a certain lottery game. I learned my lesson having been addicted for about 4 or 5 months, but I was able to pull out of it due to my strong mind, and it was so easy by just taking a break of just 2 weeks forcibly, and till today, it is no more. The addiction happened in 2012. Answering the last question, I can't be addicted to gambling again, I fully understand the game and I respect it for what it is. More so, I don't depend on gambling as my source of income which makes it easier.
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July 20, 2024, 03:19:53 AM
Can you comfortably tell yourself that you have never been addicted to gambling and that you can never be addicted to gambling because of how you go about it?
Addiction starts from thinking of making money from gambling.  Thinking that you can earn from gambling often. These kind of people will change from one approach or strategy to another but keep losing. If you are not addicted to gambling, that means you do not have that kind of mentality and you know that you can not make life fortune from gambling.

That is true one getting addicted to gambling literally depend on his approach, one of the approach is taken gambling as a means to get rich quick. which may lead to one gambling irresponsibly , and the same time may lead to one getting addicted to gambling , due to not being able to control the urge of gambling frequently.

well addiction is not something one can easily fight or overcome that is why is better to not fall as victim , because coming out from it is really difficult so one need to mind his approach to gambling . 

Some or better for me most gamblers do not take gambling as get rich quick way yet they know that they have their chances there to change a bit their life if they happen to win a huge multiplier with a big bet,not later than this existing week someone at Stake casino hit a multiplier of over x6600 with 14 dollar bet and the winning amount was 92.000 dollars,for me this is not a small amount and knowing how bad is the job market in Europe and USA for the moment it means that this amount can be equal to 2 years of salary in most western European countries and it can come in great hand to lower or eliminate for some time the mental stress someone may have.So the problem is not that get rich quick but what leads to addiction is that any gambler want to hit such multiplier yet very few of them do.
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July 20, 2024, 03:15:58 AM
Can you comfortably tell yourself that you have never been addicted to gambling and that you can never be addicted to gambling because of how you go about it?
Addiction starts from thinking of making money from gambling.  Thinking that you can earn from gambling often. These kind of people will change from one approach or strategy to another but keep losing. If you are not addicted to gambling, that means you do not have that kind of mentality and you know that you can not make life fortune from gambling.

That is true one getting addicted to gambling literally depend on his approach, one of the approach is taken gambling as a means to get rich quick. which may lead to one gambling irresponsibly , and the same time may lead to one getting addicted to gambling , due to not being able to control the urge of gambling frequently.

well addiction is not something one can easily fight or overcome that is why is better to not fall as victim , because coming out from it is really difficult so one need to mind his approach to gambling . 
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July 20, 2024, 02:51:30 AM
It seems that yes, being addicted is a choice, because in my view about addiction is also when you become gambling as a hobby. So, in this case when you  choose to continue betting because you have made gambling a hobby, then at that time you will also be difficult to completely escape gambling and if that happens, then ofcourse you have also chosen to become a gambling addict. Because after all, if you only gamble once a week and don't care about the amount of money bet, then you won't be addicted.

Because after all, when you can do it for example only once a week, then that means you can do it with discipline. After all, an addict is someone who is basically difficult to escape from his activities in gambling, so they will do it all the time and of course it is something bad.
The feeling of becoming a daily necessity, I think that's what gambling addiction can be. If every day or worse, every hour of the day we are looking forward to gambling more, that's addiction. Yes, it is a choice but it can also be entertainment at first but result in a habit in the long run. Will it still be a choice or we just became addicted to it because we do it every day? Just like those who smoke, at first it was just a fun thing to do and it feels better when they smoke but after some time it became a habit to do it after they eat or every time they drink alcohol. A part of it is still a choice and another part is the urge to take it because the body needs it.
When it comes to gambling, we must have a strong mentality when we want to stop because urge can always pull us back.
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July 20, 2024, 02:04:43 AM
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Until your gambling activity will be sustained without tipping into habit  you will have the power to control it to prevent yourself from addiction.  Otherwise the positive and stable  coupling loop from stimulated cells will be developed in your brain and this loop will force you to gamble  again and again.  This is the way of any addiction is developed.
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July 19, 2024, 09:40:04 PM
Almost 90% of the people who have a thing against gambling do so because they feel that gambling is addictive. But come to think of it, isn't addiction a choice? After reading lots of stories on the effects of being an addicted gambler, I feel it's 100% possible to tell myself that I can never be addicted to gambling and won't ever get addicted.

If for instance, I decide that I'm only going to gamble once a week and that at each time I will only gamble with an amount like $20 based on my current financial strength, would I ever become addicted to gambling?  Isn't it because you don't have any plan in place and just gamble as your spirit leads that makes you become careless with your gambling and become addicted to the process? Just want to ask this question;

Can you comfortably tell yourself that you have never been addicted to gambling and that you can never be addicted to gambling because of how you go about it?
Victim blaming now?

People are against gambling regardless of whether they think it is addicting or not. Some see it as a cheater's way of trying to make something for himself, some see it as a fool's errand, and while a majority does think that gambling is addicting and so they must oppose it, isn't that the case at the end of the day?

Gambling is designed to be addicting, you think if the game's truly fair that players would come in day in and day out hoping they could get a piece of the pie? And what of the tantalizing show of jackpots? Isn't that to trick people into thinking it's just that easy to acquire huge sums of money?

While you're right, addiction is a choice for the most part, you still can't deny that casinos and the gambling industry is part of the problem. They cultured this idea amongst the people and now everyone's thinking they could one up the system and come home with a wad of money. At the end of the day, everyone's accountable in this shit and no one is truly "in the right", but if we could do something let it be for those who are addicted so they can rehabilitate themselves.
Everyone's thoughts are of course different, so there are many different points of view about gambling. There are indeed some people who view gambling as something that can make money, but in my opinion there are more people who have a point of view that considers gambling to be a bad thing because many cases have occurred because of gambling and it has caused them to ruin their lives. However, this view is not completely correct because those who experience the destruction of their lives because of gambling is also their own fault which is too excessive so they are trapped by their own thoughts. In my opinion, there is a misunderstanding here where many people view gambling as bad and it needs to be addressed because gambling is not completely bad.

gambling is designed for profit, and those who expect big wins are likely a source of money for casino companies. because their hope in gambling tends to make them lose more money. However, the temptation of gambling is strong and those who are attracted to the point of becoming addicted are people who do not have good self-control, including their thoughts. because if they can think clearly that gambling is just a game then there will be no excessive behavior that will be carried out.
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July 19, 2024, 08:35:20 PM
Like you said gambling is a choice so it is getting addiction is likely a choice as well, because when you set your budget and the amount fixed to be used to gamble then there's no way you would just got addicted that way except you aren't monitoring the amount and how you gamble. To me what mostly affect people is that when they put their trust and hope into gambling that it would give them quick money or took it as the only source of income could easily make them becomes addicted.
Let me tell you that gambling is like taking drugs without the consciousness and the reality of addiction, you simply will keep taking the drugs without knowing that your body system is gradually adjusting to being used to the drugs, and you keep taking the drugs until a time comes when you discover you can no longer go a whole day without taking the drugs, at this point, you have become addicted to that drugs without knowing how it happened, or how you arrived at that stage.

This is how gambling addiction come upon some people gamblers, most especially gambling newbies who do not expose themselves to gambling communities like this forum to learn from other gamblers with better and extensive gambling experiences.
Anything you do to make money can be very addictive in the long run. On the first try, it may seem difficult like you cannot continue whether to quit or not but when you start getting it right most of the time you definitely gets good at it. You tend to want to make more money from it and increase your chances of getting more money that way. Having a skill, working, gambling and other means of making can be very addictive and when you start you keep wanting to earn through it. The only way to stop being addicted to gambling is to completely leave it and abstain from anything that will be a link or chain to us seeing ourselves gambling. It is completely difficult unless we isolate ourselves through the aid of someone who will be willing to help out.
As much as I think and sure agree that all that you have said make alot of sense, the part I actually do not agree with is the part you said that anything we do to make money can be addictive, this i completely disagree with based on my own life and work experiences, I am a full grown man in my life thirties, and I can tell you for sure that I've done a lot of things, different type of jobs easy and non easy, just to make money, and non of this things have I become addicted to, even the ones I loved to do, like posting on this forum, managing my business I have today, all this I love but I am not addicted to any of them.

Addiction goes beyond what one does to make money, there are several factors that add up to lead a person into becoming addicted to something, and when that things involves making money, then greed is sure one of such factors, tell me who gets greedy with hard work 😁.
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July 19, 2024, 06:35:35 PM
Almost 90% of the people who have a thing against gambling do so because they feel that gambling is addictive. But come to think of it, isn't addiction a choice? After reading lots of stories on the effects of being an addicted gambler, I feel it's 100% possible to tell myself that I can never be addicted to gambling and won't ever get addicted.

If for instance, I decide that I'm only going to gamble once a week and that at each time I will only gamble with an amount like $20 based on my current financial strength, would I ever become addicted to gambling?  Isn't it because you don't have any plan in place and just gamble as your spirit leads that makes you become careless with your gambling and become addicted to the process? Just want to ask this question;

Can you comfortably tell yourself that you have never been addicted to gambling and that you can never be addicted to gambling because of how you go about it?
Victim blaming now?

People are against gambling regardless of whether they think it is addicting or not. Some see it as a cheater's way of trying to make something for himself, some see it as a fool's errand, and while a majority does think that gambling is addicting and so they must oppose it, isn't that the case at the end of the day?

Gambling is designed to be addicting, you think if the game's truly fair that players would come in day in and day out hoping they could get a piece of the pie? And what of the tantalizing show of jackpots? Isn't that to trick people into thinking it's just that easy to acquire huge sums of money?

While you're right, addiction is a choice for the most part, you still can't deny that casinos and the gambling industry is part of the problem. They cultured this idea amongst the people and now everyone's thinking they could one up the system and come home with a wad of money. At the end of the day, everyone's accountable in this shit and no one is truly "in the right", but if we could do something let it be for those who are addicted so they can rehabilitate themselves.
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July 19, 2024, 03:53:42 PM
Like you said gambling is a choice so it is getting addiction is likely a choice as well, because when you set your budget and the amount fixed to be used to gamble then there's no way you would just got addicted that way except you aren't monitoring the amount and how you gamble. To me what mostly affect people is that when they put their trust and hope into gambling that it would give them quick money or took it as the only source of income could easily make them becomes addicted.
Let me tell you that gambling is like taking drugs without the consciousness and the reality of addiction, you simply will keep taking the drugs without knowing that your body system is gradually adjusting to being used to the drugs, and you keep taking the drugs until a time comes when you discover you can no longer go a whole day without taking the drugs, at this point, you have become addicted to that drugs without knowing how it happened, or how you arrived at that stage.

This is how gambling addiction come upon some people gamblers, most especially gambling newbies who do not expose themselves to gambling communities like this forum to learn from other gamblers with better and extensive gambling experiences.
Anything you do to make money can be very addictive in the long run. On the first try, it may seem difficult like you cannot continue whether to quit or not but when you start getting it right most of the time you definitely gets good at it. You tend to want to make more money from it and increase your chances of getting more money that way. Having a skill, working, gambling and other means of making can be very addictive and when you start you keep wanting to earn through it. The only way to stop being addicted to gambling is to completely leave it and abstain from anything that will be a link or chain to us seeing ourselves gambling. It is completely difficult unless we isolate ourselves through the aid of someone who will be willing to help out.
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July 19, 2024, 03:53:27 PM
Almost 90% of the people who have a thing against gambling do so because they feel that gambling is addictive. But come to think of it, isn't addiction a choice? After reading lots of stories on the effects of being an addicted gambler, I feel it's 100% possible to tell myself that I can never be addicted to gambling and won't ever get addicted.

If for instance, I decide that I'm only going to gamble once a week and that at each time I will only gamble with an amount like $20 based on my current financial strength, would I ever become addicted to gambling?  Isn't it because you don't have any plan in place and just gamble as your spirit leads that makes you become careless with your gambling and become addicted to the process? Just want to ask this question;

Can you comfortably tell yourself that you have never been addicted to gambling and that you can never be addicted to gambling because of how you go about it?

It seems that yes, being addicted is a choice, because in my view about addiction is also when you become gambling as a hobby. So, in this case when you  choose to continue betting because you have made gambling a hobby, then at that time you will also be difficult to completely escape gambling and if that happens, then ofcourse you have also chosen to become a gambling addict. Because after all, if you only gamble once a week and don't care about the amount of money bet, then you won't be addicted.

Because after all, when you can do it for example only once a week, then that means you can do it with discipline. After all, an addict is someone who is basically difficult to escape from his activities in gambling, so they will do it all the time and of course it is something bad.
Overall, its not really just that limited on gambling alone but also in other things as well if we do speak about choices that we are making. I could somewhat do agree that addiction is literally
part of your choice on which on the time or moment that you do make yourself that engagement then its impossible that you havent been able to be wary about those probabilities
that you would might be messing up your life with if you wouldnt really be careful on dealing with it. Its impossible that on the moment that you have losing that much money then you just dont care?
It is really just that simply people do make out that kind of neglecting those conditions until they are on such condition that they cant be able to play literally just because they dont have money.

Learnings do comes after with those unfortunate conditions but actually these conditions could really be that stopped or something that could be avoided if you are really just that making
yourself that sensible towards your actions. Addiction cant really be possibly be able to happen if you are really just that playing gambling for the sake of fun and not really that making yourself
that too desperate on trying out to make money with it.
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