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Quote from: indah rezqi on July 21, 2024, 12:29:17 PM

Quote from: STT on July 21, 2024, 10:37:00 AM

Addiction in general I heard something very fair by an addict which was there was always a choice but only on the first drink. After the first drink they fell into their old ways and were not able to stop themselves.

The same probably applies to gambling or any other kind of addiction possible. If you have no ability to levy control on yourself while gambling then its not going to work out and like above you have to avoid joining the same road which leads to your addiction.

I always argue a fixed budget and use that daily like a schedule but I understand those measures wont work for some. Good advice comes from people who faced down their addiction in the hardest way, dont start if you have no ability to stop is a smart choice.

In many cases, those who suffer from gambling addiction do not have a good understanding of gambling, so they lack the principles of gambling. Like managing a budget, managing time and knowing when it's time to stop, all of this can only be understood if someone learns, either from books or from other people's experiences. In general, there are many activities that can make someone addicted, but it must be admitted that gambling addiction is very difficult to overcome.

On the other hand, if gambling addiction has a negative impact on yourself, your family or even your work, I think that is a sign to stop immediately. It's not bad to stop for a while, and come back again when things return to normal, because the purpose of gambling is to have fun, don't let addiction have a bad impact on life. We know that there is a lot of advice about gambling, and perhaps only a few can have a positive influence. Gambling advice should be used as a basis for overcoming bad possibilities in the future.

I was actually growing in to becoming a victim of addiction some time ago but was lucky enough I can came out of it as I understand better what exactly gambling entails, yeah is not something that one needs to completely rely on for maximizing profits or a job hence it will definitely ruin your life entirely where can even be borrowing to gamble, spending more time energy and resources, being very anxious, anxiety, depressed, not taking good care of yourself generally because all what you be thinking is how to get back your lost money and that is chasing your losses which is a very bad approach towards gambling which I now know better.

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Quote from: STT on July 21, 2024, 10:37:00 AM

Addiction in general I heard something very fair by an addict which was there was always a choice but only on the first drink. After the first drink they fell into their old ways and were not able to stop themselves.

The same probably applies to gambling or any other kind of addiction possible. If you have no ability to levy control on yourself while gambling then its not going to work out and like above you have to avoid joining the same road which leads to your addiction.

I always argue a fixed budget and use that daily like a schedule but I understand those measures wont work for some. Good advice comes from people who faced down their addiction in the hardest way, dont start if you have no ability to stop is a smart choice.

In many cases, those who suffer from gambling addiction do not have a good understanding of gambling, so they lack the principles of gambling. Like managing a budget, managing time and knowing when it's time to stop, all of this can only be understood if someone learns, either from books or from other people's experiences. In general, there are many activities that can make someone addicted, but it must be admitted that gambling addiction is very difficult to overcome.

On the other hand, if gambling addiction has a negative impact on yourself, your family or even your work, I think that is a sign to stop immediately. It's not bad to stop for a while, and come back again when things return to normal, because the purpose of gambling is to have fun, don't let addiction have a bad impact on life. We know that there is a lot of advice about gambling, and perhaps only a few can have a positive influence. Gambling advice should be used as a basis for overcoming bad possibilities in the future.

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Addiction in general I heard something very fair by an addict which was there was always a choice but only on the first drink. After the first drink they fell into their old ways and were not able to stop themselves.

The same probably applies to gambling or any other kind of addiction possible. If you have no ability to levy control on yourself while gambling then its not going to work out and like above you have to avoid joining the same road which leads to your addiction.

I always argue a fixed budget and use that daily like a schedule but I understand those measures wont work for some. Good advice comes from people who faced down their addiction in the hardest way, dont start if you have no ability to stop is a smart choice.

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Basically there is nothing that can benefit a person in an addiction situation, and quite the opposite, as we know, it is a disastrous situation that creates a lot of stress and tension in life.

And we can see that quite a few people are now addicted, meaning did they choose to become addicted from the start and suffer many disasters in life? I think not at all, because after all there will never be anyone who wants to experience suffering in any way.

What this means for me and in my opinion is that addiction is most likely not a choice, but is something that happens naturally without the person realizing it, not everyone realizes that the intention and purpose of earning income from gambling will make them addicted and dependent and experience many things. bad, meaning it was not intended or chosen from the start in a situation full of awareness.

I have the same opinion as you, I believe that no one wants to become a gambling addict because everyone is aware that addiction is never a good thing. In particular, gambling addiction will cause consequences such as bankruptcy, broken families, deadlocked lives...even leading to suicide. Does anyone want to fall into that situation? Of course no one.

Once called an addiction, that means it's bad for us. So in my opinion, the reason may be because they are too subjective and do not realize they are addicted until things become more serious. And as we all know, once addicted, it is very difficult to quit. Addiction is a disease that is not easy to cure, in addition to your own determination, you also need the help of others.

Yes, in any case, addiction is a bad situation because we tend to always treat it excessively, especially if we are talking about gambling which involves money, opportunities and risks, which in terms of impact, of course, as I have said before and you have repeated what where the point is that addiction is a very bad situation for a person's life, and yes, I will also admit the impact that you said, which is probably the worst, that there are people who commit suicide.

The conclusion is of course like the point I made before that if we think using common sense and logic then addiction should not be a choice because of course no one will ever want to experience that situation in the first place. On the other hand, as you said, addiction is a disease that is very difficult to cure and I think there is no physical medicine that can help cure it.

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Quote from: Porfirii on July 21, 2024, 05:24:23 AM

I don't think it is true that addiction is 100% one's choice, and I don't think that mindset is any good either. Imagine how gamblers with an addiction can feel if they are told that all the fault of his situation is theirs.

Like with alcoholism, they should be treated as ills, and not focus on whose fault it was to fall in that hole. It is proven that some people are more prone to fall into addictions of all kind simply because of how their brains are built or work. Are they to blame for being born with this predisposition?

So, applying the three filters of Socrates, IMO:

- Are we sure that the claim "Addiction is 100% your choice" is true? NO.

- Is that claim good? NO.

- Is that claim useful? NO.

Addiction is not a choice where everything happens by itself, it doesn't just happen. There are other factors that can determine whether a person is addicted to gambling. As the gambling activities that he carries out from time to time progress, this person will be filled with curiosity about the activities that he carries out there. that's where the mistake lies and it creates addiction, it just happens, we can't realize this and who would choose to become an addict in this world, no one, it's clear that if we were aware of this or the disease of addiction, people certainly wouldn't choose to be an addict,

yes, if you are addicted to anything that is negative, the main focus is treatment, which would be better left to experts in the field and we as friends, family, or people who see these incidents in our environment, should embrace them without having to blame,

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I don't think it is true that addiction is 100% one's choice, and I don't think that mindset is any good either. Imagine how gamblers with an addiction can feel if they are told that all the fault of his situation is theirs.

Like with alcoholism, they should be treated as ills, and not focus on whose fault it was to fall in that hole. It is proven that some people are more prone to fall into addictions of all kind simply because of how their brains are built or work. Are they to blame for being born with this predisposition?

So, applying the three filters of Socrates, IMO:

- Are we sure that the claim "Addiction is 100% your choice" is true? NO.

- Is that claim good? NO.

- Is that claim useful? NO.

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Quote from: Dewi Aries on July 20, 2024, 10:13:14 AM

Basically there is nothing that can benefit a person in an addiction situation, and quite the opposite, as we know, it is a disastrous situation that creates a lot of stress and tension in life.

And we can see that quite a few people are now addicted, meaning did they choose to become addicted from the start and suffer many disasters in life? I think not at all, because after all there will never be anyone who wants to experience suffering in any way.

What this means for me and in my opinion is that addiction is most likely not a choice, but is something that happens naturally without the person realizing it, not everyone realizes that the intention and purpose of earning income from gambling will make them addicted and dependent and experience many things. bad, meaning it was not intended or chosen from the start in a situation full of awareness.

- At that point, when we are talking about addiction, especially when it comes to gambling in casinos, it is clear that it is a habit that is difficult to get rid of.

That's why, as much as possible, let's take it to get rid of or get out of this addiction that you have to playing gambling. It's not going to hurt us to get out of this scenario; let's not let it lead to a bad situation.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on July 20, 2024, 02:53:19 PM

Some people who see gambling as a source of income are those who are jobless and are looking for something that can generate them money. I have had a chart with some old pairs who are always regulars to casino shops, and they would say that the reason they frequent the casino is because they are less busy and have no sustainable income source. That's to say that the majority of people who are addicted to gambling are those who don't have a professional job that they are always engaging in. I'm not saying that those people who have jobs are not addicted; some of them are, but most are distracted from gambling because of their jobs.

Of course I don't agree with considering gambling as a source of income, in fact that is a wrong assumption and will only make them trapped in gambling. It is also difficult to get out of it, even with the help of other people, it will not be easy, because thoughts like that tend to stick to their brains so that they can ignore anything other than gambling that they just want to do. with those who don't have jobs that generate income, of course it's not true that they gamble because it's clear they don't have an income, why should they run into gambling in the hope of winning, even though we all know that winning at gambling is not easy to get.

Those who don't have jobs that generate income but do gamble, I think it will only make things worse, even if they can control themselves, that's unlikely. because it is clear that with those who don't have a job but gambling means they hope to win or profit, I don't have any thoughts when I don't have a job but I will invite my partner to visit the casino, that is not one of the solutions.

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To my own belief, this gambling addiction thing is that once you have a mindset of making money in gambling, and once someone continues having that type of mindset, it can easily lead to gambling addiction. But one thing I want people to understand is that when someone continues doing any things like gambling or drinking alcohol, it will become a part of them, to the point where if they don't do it always they will hardly feel comfortable. The truth about addiction is that it is something someone can hardly notice in themselves because it is a gradual process.For some people, it takes a long time to become addicted, while for others, it takes only a short time. So, I don't feel it is someone's choice to become addicted,I feel it just develops in someone.

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Quote from: Nwada001 on July 20, 2024, 02:52:21 PM

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Quote from: legendbtc on July 20, 2024, 11:09:23 AM

I have the same opinion as you, I believe that no one wants to become a gambling addict because everyone is aware that addiction is never a good thing.

People don’t want to be gambling addicts, but they end up doing things that will make them addicted to gambling. If you start gambling for the sake of money, then you will end up being addicted to gambling, or chasing your losses. Gambling is supposed to be something we should do for fun, and we should have a budget for it. After exceeding our budget, we should stop gambling immediately. If you exceed your budget and decide to deposit more money, then you are already getting everything wrong, and you are likely going to become addicted if you don’t stop.

Gambling is something we should do for fun, but this time around the fun alone is no longer enough for gamblers.

But the thing is, one can still gamble for both fun and expect little money from the game and still get themselves in control and not get addicted.

It's only when the person allows their greed to control them that they will end up not realising when their greed will lead them to get addicted to the game.

Something ridiculous about this addiction is that at the early stages, the gambler would not admit that he's heading towards addictive state even if someone is already trying to straighten such behaviour which is about leading towards addiction, it looks not like a big deal and likely regular to the gambler until it has dragged him down into serious regrets.

If one could be early enough to understand about addiction, ways and symptoms as to gradually getting addicted then it is easier to stay safe and prevent it. Greed and consistency at some level plays a huge role to becoming gambling addicted and should be avoided.

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Quote from: Tmoonz on July 20, 2024, 09:21:20 AM

I sincerely appreciate what you said when you talked about ignoring the symptoms of gambling addiction especially when it is still early before it finally become a habit or addiction, negligence is a bad disease that takes over a gambler who has failed to recognize when he or she is falling apart from the standard that should kept as regards to gambling, I must say that many are being trapped by this gambling addiction as result of considering gambling to be a source of income rather than just to be seen as a game hence become carried away or lost in the act unknowingly to them.

Some people who see gambling as a source of income are those who are jobless and are looking for something that can generate them money.I have had a chart with some old pairs who are always regulars to casino shops, and they would say that the reason they frequent the casino is because they are less busy and have no sustainable income source. That's to say that the majority of people who are addicted to gambling are those who don't have a professional job that they are always engaging in. I'm not saying that those people who have jobs are not addicted; some of them are, but most are distracted from gambling because of their jobs.

You are very correct majority about 80 percent of those that are addicted to gambling are those that doesn't have a good and steady source of income or probably they don't have or not doing the kind of work that requires much of their time hence they tend to spend more time in the gambling station and at such they might have considered it to be their hustle forgetting that it can be very problematic and misleading enough to affect their their life generally because it is always advisable to mix up gambling activity with other activities but when one is spending more time in the gambling activity than any other activities addiction is set to take place in the life of such individual.

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Quote from: Tmoonz on July 20, 2024, 09:21:20 AM

I sincerely appreciate what you said when you talked about ignoring the symptoms of gambling addiction especially when it is still early before it finally become a habit or addiction, negligence is a bad disease that takes over a gambler who has failed to recognize when he or she is falling apart from the standard that should kept as regards to gambling, I must say that many are being trapped by this gambling addiction as result of considering gambling to be a source of income rather than just to be seen as a game hence become carried away or lost in the act unknowingly to them.

Some people who see gambling as a source of income are those who are jobless and are looking for something that can generate them money. I have had a chart with some old pairs who are always regulars to casino shops, and they would say that the reason they frequent the casino is because they are less busy and have no sustainable income source. That's to say that the majority of people who are addicted to gambling are those who don't have a professional job that they are always engaging in. I'm not saying that those people who have jobs are not addicted; some of them are, but most are distracted from gambling because of their jobs.

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Quote from: Stable090 on July 20, 2024, 02:42:29 PM

Quote from: legendbtc on July 20, 2024, 11:09:23 AM

I have the same opinion as you, I believe that no one wants to become a gambling addict because everyone is aware that addiction is never a good thing.

People don’t want to be gambling addicts, but they end up doing things that will make them addicted to gambling. If you start gambling for the sake of money, then you will end up being addicted to gambling, or chasing your losses. Gambling is supposed to be something we should do for fun, and we should have a budget for it. After exceeding our budget, we should stop gambling immediately. If you exceed your budget and decide to deposit more money, then you are already getting everything wrong, and you are likely going to become addicted if you don’t stop.

Gambling is something we should do for fun, but this time around the fun alone is no longer enough for gamblers.

But the thing is, one can still gamble for both fun and expect little money from the game and still get themselves in control and not get addicted.

It's only when the person allows their greed to control them that they will end up not realising when their greed will lead them to get addicted to the game.

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Quote from: legendbtc on July 20, 2024, 11:09:23 AM

I have the same opinion as you, I believe that no one wants to become a gambling addict because everyone is aware that addiction is never a good thing.

People don’t want to be gambling addicts, but they end up doing things that will make them addicted to gambling. If you start gambling for the sake of money, then you will end up being addicted to gambling, or chasing your losses. Gambling is supposed to be something we should do for fun, and we should have a budget for it. After exceeding our budget, we should stop gambling immediately. If you exceed your budget and decide to deposit more money, then you are already getting everything wrong, and you are likely going to become addicted if you don’t stop.

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Quote from: $weetne$$ on July 20, 2024, 11:34:54 AM

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Addicted from my viewpoints about it is not a thing of choice because it's an abnormality, an uncomfortable psychological state where the individual have lost selfcontrol, more like a sickness. And no one will want to make a choice of being sick, right? Gambling addiction mainly have a stake in a gambler as a result of lack of self discipline. Often time, this lack of self discipline doesn't come by choice.

Lack of self-discipline comes as a choice because you decided to no be disciplined that is what is making you get addicted to gambling in spite of the outcome of your bet. If you are always winning then your gambling frequently will be some how okay as you are making money but when you are losing yet you do not stop gambling but keep increasing your staking amount just to try to win back your previous losses then you are lacking self discipline.

Understandingly I did said often time this lack of self discipline doesn't come by choice. Ignorance actively plays a role in affecting the gambling attitude of gamblers, for example, when a gambler chases after a loss it is because he fails to agree with that loss-chase can lead to addiction, out of ignorance his view could be that he's showing resilience not to give up from recovering his money.
And in between the line you talked about how frequent gambling seems to be fine with you provided the gambler is winning. For me frequent gambling whether under winning or losing sessions can both lead to gambling addiction. Fine, we all love to win but when gambling is done frequently by an individual the construct is that of addiction because addiction does not lies only on the path of loss.

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Quote from: serjent05 on July 19, 2024, 12:52:26 PM

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Like you said gambling is a choice so it is getting addiction is likely a choice as well, because when you set your budget and the amount fixed to be used to gamble then there's no way you would just got addicted that way except you aren't monitoring the amount and how you gamble. To me what mostly affect people is that when they put their trust and hope into gambling that it would give them quick money or took it as the only source of income could easily make them becomes addicted.

I think we can set another example, a much different approach. Like a guy who chose to get intimate with his partner having all the natural precautionary measures (but not using a condom) to not get her pregnant but eventually all those measures failed and got her pregnant. Do you think it is the guy's choice to get her partner pregnant? I think no, he may have become irresponsible resulting in his partner being pregnant but it was not his intention to impregnate his girlfriend.

I think the same scenario fits gambling and gambling addiction. Choosing to gamble does not mean the gambler wants to be a gambling addict.

Yes that is it, just as it says its a choice and anyone who chooses to get themselves bathed with addiction can be easily there but I trust with disciplines he can control himself.
Moreover, people who gamble thinking of making it a daily income or as means of source money always turns out to be easily addicted since they gambles with anxiety.

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Quote from: Lida93 on July 20, 2024, 09:22:09 AM

Addicted from my viewpoints about it is not a thing of choice because it's an abnormality, an uncomfortable psychological state where the individual have lost selfcontrol, more like a sickness. And no one will want to make a choice of being sick, right? Gambling addiction mainly have a stake in a gambler as a result of lack of self discipline. Often time, this lack of self discipline doesn't come by choice.

Lack of self-discipline comes as a choice because you decided to no be disciplined that is what is making you get addicted to gambling in spite of the outcome of your bet. If you are always winning then your gambling frequently will be some how okay as you are making money but when you are losing yet you do not stop gambling but keep increasing your staking amount just to try to win back your previous losses then you are lacking self discipline. When things might get out of control is when you have gone too far into being an addict that anything anybody tells you do not have any effect as you do not listen to anybody again but you just want to gamble. Nobody is being born being an addict therefore addiction is something we develop as we continue to gamble in the wrong way. If we stay disciplined and not chase after the losses that we get when gambling, we will not end up being an addict.

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Quote from: Dewi Aries on July 20, 2024, 10:13:14 AM

Basically there is nothing that can benefit a person in an addiction situation, and quite the opposite, as we know, it is a disastrous situation that creates a lot of stress and tension in life.

And we can see that quite a few people are now addicted, meaning did they choose to become addicted from the start and suffer many disasters in life? I think not at all, because after all there will never be anyone who wants to experience suffering in any way.

What this means for me and in my opinion is that addiction is most likely not a choice, but is something that happens naturally without the person realizing it, not everyone realizes that the intention and purpose of earning income from gambling will make them addicted and dependent and experience many things. bad, meaning it was not intended or chosen from the start in a situation full of awareness.

I have the same opinion as you, I believe that no one wants to become a gambling addict because everyone is aware that addiction is never a good thing. In particular, gambling addiction will cause consequences such as bankruptcy, broken families, deadlocked lives...even leading to suicide. Does anyone want to fall into that situation? Of course no one.

Once called an addiction, that means it's bad for us. So in my opinion, the reason may be because they are too subjective and do not realize they are addicted until things become more serious. And as we all know, once addicted, it is very difficult to quit. Addiction is a disease that is not easy to cure, in addition to your own determination, you also need the help of others.

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Quote from: Tmoonz on July 20, 2024, 09:21:20 AM

I sincerely appreciate what you said when you talked about ignoring the symptoms of gambling addiction especially when it is still early before it finally become a habit or addiction, negligence is a bad disease that takes over a gambler who has failed to recognize when he or she is falling apart from the standard that should kept as regards to gambling, I must say that many are being trapped by this gambling addiction as result of considering gambling to be a source of income rather than just to be seen as a game hence become carried away or lost in the act unknowingly to them.

Gamblers who have always considered gambling as a source of income have certainly felt the beauty of big wins. This is what makes gamblers very focused on gambling, which gets worse when their gambling activities become more frequent.
Gamblers definitely realize that they are starting to become addicted to gambling when their gambling activities increase. This is where control is needed, if you cannot realize your mistake then the situation will get worse for the gambler.
limit your capital and gambling time. that's the first thing that gamblers can do before finally experiencing their first mistake.

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Basically there is nothing that can benefit a person in an addiction situation, and quite the opposite, as we know, it is a disastrous situation that creates a lot of stress and tension in life.

And we can see that quite a few people are now addicted, meaning did they choose to become addicted from the start and suffer many disasters in life? I think not at all, because after all there will never be anyone who wants to experience suffering in any way.

What this means for me and in my opinion is that addiction is most likely not a choice, but is something that happens naturally without the person realizing it, not everyone realizes that the intention and purpose of earning income from gambling will make them addicted and dependent and experience many things. bad, meaning it was not intended or chosen from the start in a situation full of awareness.

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