Topic: Advertising spam is not allowed - page 10. (Read 653912 times)

I can't believe that we had to wait 2 months after the first decision for a staff member to come out and say this. All the concerns mentioned in the post you replied were addressed months ago. Obviously this decision was too strict and in many ways insane. I was highly suspicious about how staff members agreed to bringing this rule to use. Ends up it's only a couple of people that have total control of this forum's rules.  Don't staff member like you have a voice in such discussions? Obviously the concerns of the community were systematically ignored this time, but it's scary to know that staff members also can't play a role in such decisions (and please correct me if I'm wrong with something).

You've stated some good points. However, I can't act against the rules created and aproven by both admins. This is where the community (which is affected the most) should express their opinions. If you or anyone else believes that this rule is, as Biomech said, "insane", I suggest PMing BadBear with a well reasoned and thought out message and he might remove this rule. Until then, my hands are tied.

Does this apply for pools then? Can we post "Coin added to the pool, please see my thread" or something like that?
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1. Yes, it applies.
2. No, you can't.

Ok now this is even more confusing and it goes beyond insane. You've pretty much said that the Exchanges can post on a coin ANN thread to let people know they've added a coin, that they can't post the URL but the exchange is now supposed to refer people to go to the Exchange's thread for the info they need regarding the coin. Why is it so bad that c-cex or bittrex posts information about a coin being added? that's one of the fundamental parts of an altcoin.

You're telling me that the same rule does apply to the pools as well, but that we can't tell people to go to our thread for the information they need?. How does that make sense to you in any way? And please don't say that you didn't make the rule because you're the one enforcing it.


[/quote]You can discuss the coin's community, specs ,algo, issues with the coin, benefits and disadvantages of it, when a certain feature will be implemented, feature discussion, troubleshooting and support for the coin, updates, hashing speed of the coin, config suggestions for more effective mining, etc.
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So people in the Altcoin mining sections can't discuss the most important aspects of an altcoin which are:
1. Extraction
2. Markets/Exchanges/Price


This entire forum is full of scammers, fudsters, there are actually organized groups that have destroyed even good coins by spreading lies and creating fake accounts posing as the actual coin dev. (This happened on GNS and the scam group killed the coin within hours of it being launched) And what happened with the fake accounts? I posted about it and my posts got deleted, the dev had to actually lock the thread and create a self-moderated thread although it was too late, the coin was dead already, this made a lot of people lose money  while the scammers just went to the bank.

It's pretty obvious that some of you actually want the altcoin section to go away, you guys treat the section as a nuisance, when in fact it generates the most traffic for bitcointalk, do you honestly think the huge traffic increase in the past 10 months has been because of Bitcoin?
Keep it up and that traffic will simply go somewhere else.

+100000 I don't think anyone could have expressed this in a better way.

I adamantly agree.

It's nice to come in to a thread from the insignificant, predictable tripe, that adorns these boards, and read a coherent, well thought out, intelligent post.

No, I don't think the rule is unfair. That would involve some level of thought, malice, or at least a distaste for commerce. Which, given this forum's proven history of supporting scams as long as they pay the advertising fees, is an insane thought.

I think this rule is insane. I think this rule is arbitrary and capricious, and a rather pathetic attempt to garner more advertising revenue without any sort of solid advertising plan or rules regarding such, or price lists..

My earlier comments were to BadBear, who I usually like. He ignored them. Since that's been the case, I have merely aired my grievance in public. This does not affect my posting, as I do not (currently) operate any of the now banned essential services. I have watched this unfold, and watched it being (legitimately) ignored. Like it or not, all things cryptocurrency eventually find their way to this forum. If Theymos needs more revenue, that's understandable. He should consult with businesspeople on how he might do that. Arbitrary and capricious rules with the sole purpose of restricting commerce on a website supposedly dedicated to a new form of commerce do not make monetary or ethical sense. Some restriction on the number of posts per thread to prevent spam, sure. A blanket denial on services that we all rely on in some manner? That could ONLY make sense to someone high on drugs or power.

I am a miner, a trader, and an activist. Not necessarily in that order. I follow the latest happenings in a number of threads. I do NOT regularly scan the OP, and judging by the other posts, neither do the majority of your users. This is ordinary and not egregious. Some of these threads run to hundreds of pages, and just keeping up is often difficult, let alone scanning the OP for posts, or seeking out pools or exchanges via other threads. There is NOT ONE THING in this rule that will actually reduce spam, as an enterprising operator is going to start a new thread and get his friends and sock puppets to bump the hell out of it. Why? because it needs to be noticed by the customers, miners, and yes, casual readers of these fora.

This rule was not thought out. I won't say it was poorly thought out because there was CLEARLY no thought behind it. It was the blind reaction of an amoeba to stimulus, or a drunkard, or a crackhead.

I know this will likely be deleted. It don't matter. It will be seen.

I also am calling you, mprep, personally for your statement "I didn't make the rule...". That is the Nuremburg defense. Those men were hanged. It is NOT a valid defense when asked or ordered to do something you KNOW to be morally suspect. It never has been and it never will be. You seem a decent sort, but you need to take a serious look at what you do. Theymos is too lazy to enforce this, and you know it. If you are trying to get it overturned by it's zealous enforcement, say  so. Ulysses S. Grant was not wrong in that assessment. But don't go with the copout. It lessens you.

1. Yes, it applies.
2. No, you can't.

I didn't make the rules. Talk to BadBear and theymos if you believe this rule is unfair.

You can discuss the coin's community, specs ,algo, issues with the coin, benefits and disadvantages of it, when a certain feature will be implemented, feature discussion, troubleshooting and support for the coin, updates, hashing speed of the coin, config suggestions for more effective mining, etc.

What information can be posted in a thread?  If we can't discuss where to mine, buy, sell, or exchange the coin, why allow comments at all?  There's not much else to talk about.

Short form: You have no idea what you are doing. Or why. Were you guys drinking a LOT when you came up with this?

Does this apply for pools then? Can we post "Coin added to the pool, please see my thread" or something like that?

Regarding the possible ways to show a coin that they have been accepted to your exchange:

1. Make a thread dedicated to your exchange and post a post in that thread that you accepted the coin (it counts as a bump and should be done once every 24 hours). If you don't have a coin added every 24 hours, just post a simple bump which will keep your thread somewhat up.

2. PM the dev asking to add your coin to the OP.

3. To anyone asking on whether some exchange added a coin, PM the user with said information. Just don't overdo it or it'll be considered spamming.

+1 I agree too, this is insane. It's one thing to ban spam (multiple posts with larged colored fonts and graphics) but it's something completely different to delete and ban posts which are of interest to the community, every altcoin launch is unique, and there are sometimes hundreds of pages on a thread, there's no way that miners and investors will always try to go to the OP for the information they need.

Agreed.  A major exchange listing is one of THE MOST IMPORTANT posts that can be posted in a coin thread.  We are all here mining, buying, or selling.  In all 3 cases, the most pertinent piece of information about a coin is where it can be exchanged!

That seems a pretty messed up moderation policy. What's wrong with an exchange notifying a coin thread that their coin has been added?

Badbear please explain in the best possible way how giving a coin's thread a one time notice that they are accepted to our exchange is considered spam. I just had 33 posts deleted by "mprep" for literally telling a community they are on our exchange. I cannot see any reason for this it is pure nonsense.

Here is an example of my typical posts, note there are no graphics used and very un-spammish in nature

"Welcome to C-CEX:

https://c-cex.com/?p=xsx-btc
https://c-cex.com/?p=xsx-usd"

You shouldn't trust that email, it's probably phishing or a scam attempt. Just FYI.

Yes, I was banned for 3 days for spamming as well.
I think the Moderator needs some sex or something.
My posts were announcing a Giveaway at my site, and only appeared in threads of coins that I accept as payment.
(which is a major PR point for any altcoin)

This happened only days after I recieved an unsolicited email to advertise here.
Coin-cedence I don't think so.

For the record, a screenshot, arguably, in the most absurdly strict sense, this is an ad, I guess?




And actually what I find to be extremely disturbing, THIS is apparently "advertising spam":



My website address is in my signature. Shall I expect all my posts to be removed shortly?

Wait - I recently had a lot of posts removed.

Are you telling me that posting in a coin's thread that the coin is now listed on our site is considered "advertising spam"?

We aren't advertising, and we aren't spamming. We're letting the community of that specific coin know that their coin has been listed. It's not indiscriminate spam in random threads, it's a very specific, posted once, notice that they can now trade their coin on our exchange.

Are you saying I need to make a post in the marketplace and hope that all these coins check the 20 different exchange threads there on a daily basis in hopes that they see our thread that they were listed?

Thats bordering on absurd.

The binary file isn't open source - and https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/e762e90ab57025da2d9255df9e83457037f9fc80e0cce98c9e1f372804b103eb/analysis/1409780012/ is the results...