Topic: Advertising spam is not allowed - page 9. (Read 668106 times)

That's what I do every time. However, referring to the service, with a clear intent to advertise/promote a service is still prohibited as per the definition of the rule. Also, discussion of individual services is off-topic and should be taken to the main thread of said service, since the coin thread is meant for a discussion about the coin, not websites using them.

That's what I do every time. However, referring to the service, with a clear intent to advertise/promote a service is still prohibited as per the definition of the rule. Also, discussion of individual services is off-topic and should be taken to the main thread of said service, since the coin thread is meant for a discussion about the coin, not websites using them.

You are a smart guy that understand alone when it's a SPAM and when it's a GOOD information. You cannot delete all that you find. Rules must to be interpreted and applyed different for every case.





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As much as you don't like the saying, but it's true: I don't make the rules, the admins do. I am also not an alt miner, nor a day trader and I often participate in older coins so this rule affects me the least. I may give suggestions to the admins, however, I really don't have a strong opinion against either side and the final descision still goes to theymos.

Sorry for being rude - but doesn't this make you the wrong man for the job in moderating the altcoin forums ?

its like letting a vegetarian moderate a board about sausage specialities...

Don't take it personal ;-)

Sorry for being rude - but doesn't this make you the wrong man for the job in moderating the altcoin forums ?

its like letting a vegetarian moderate a board about sausage specialities...

Don't take it personal ;-)

As much as you don't like the saying, but it's true: I don't make the rules, the admins do. I am also not an alt miner, nor a day trader and I often participate in older coins so this rule affects me the least. I may give suggestions to the admins, however, I really don't have a strong opinion against either side and the final descision still goes to theymos.

As you already know, I'm fully on the side of allcrypt here. If this is not blatantly obvious to you (don't even give me that tripe about "I don't make the rules", then I'll spell it out.

This rule has NO VALIDITY and is UNETHICAL. Look up the words. I'm sure you can find them on dictionary.com. Oh, was that advertising a service?

You are the one making the call, therefor you are taking a stand. So just say it. You want the business to go elsewhere.

It will, you know. If you make yourselves irrelevant, there are always those hungry enough to take what you drive away.

If, as it seems, the issue is paid advertising, then make a REAL structure and a REAL set of rules by which such advertising is to be conducted. Not overbroad, arbitrary, capricious and contradictory rules made in a late night drinking session at the corner bar.

Any kind of service advertising in other people's threads is not allowed, including indirectly referring to your service ("we're up", "we've added the coin", "see our twitter/facebook/sig").

As per this rule, discussion of individual/specific services/websites is considered off-topic.

It is not off-topic, how can it possibly be considered off-topic if this information is pertinent and necessary for each of the coins?. No, it's a dumb rule without any thought behind it and it doesn't make any sense at all, so please don't say that services being announced in a coin's thread is off-topic because it's not.

Any kind of service advertising in other people's threads is not allowed, including indirectly referring to your service ("we're up", "we've added the coin", "see our twitter/facebook/sig").

As per this rule, discussion of individual/specific services/websites is considered off-topic.

In response to the rule, we will not stop announcing that we have listed the coin. Instead, we're posting this:

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has just been added to a mystery exchange which we are not allowed to mention by name! If you can figure out which one it is based on who's posting this, you might be lucky enough  to get over there to trade! But, due to the new absurd "advertising spam" rules (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/advertising-spam-is-not-allowed-718124) we are not allowed to say who we are.  Because that's advertising. So, let's hope you can figure it out! We're hoping this isn't advertising spam as we are not mentioning any exchange, and the coin could have been posted  to any, really. What a mystery!

The coin is possibly (but maybe not) live and available right now, although the blockchain might still be downloading and deposits might not appear until this is complete. Assuming an exchange, randomly chosen, did in fact, list it.

We have (or will very soon) post an announcement on Twitter as well. Follow us on twitter (@all_crypt or https://twitter.com/All_Crypt - Hope it's ok to post a twitter handle! We were only told we cannot post links to our sites?) to help spread the word and keep abreast of site news and updates.

We'd very much appreciate being listed as an active exchange in the OP of the this thread. If you'd like a high quality PNG logo to use, a zip is available at:

http://www.[figure it out for yourself].com/aclogopack.zip

An important note: It sucks for everyone when there is a fork, or a version upgrade, and we don't get notified. Sometimes developers just tweet that there is an upgrade. We're busy  running the site - we do not have time to read every tweet we are mentioned in every day. We read them, in time, but if it's an emergency upgrade (a fork) or there is a hard fork coming in less than a week - we may not see it. We unfortunately do not have time to read every forum thread of every coin we list - we'd love to - and we do read the forums as much as we can, but keeping up with every coin would be a full time job for multiple people. We'd rather spend that money on hardware and new code and features. Wink

The only truly RELIABLE way to ensure we know about a mandatory upgrade is to submit a support ticket. Just have someone hop by http://support.[mystery website].com and let us know. We see those all the time, and some of us have the app on our phones and see support tickets instantly.

If for some reason your github source changes (community takeover for example) PLEASE let us know that in the ticket. We save the github sources so we don't have to scour for it again later - and if you have an upgrade, but we're checking the old source code, it will really delay the upgrade. You only need to provide a github source if the source has changed.

I think that covers it! Thanks for your support of [insert random exchange name here] and we're proud to support you in return! You know, assuming we actually did list the coin. We might not have.

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If that's advertising spam, I'll change it again. And again. Until it reaches the point that accounts owned by pools/exchanges/websites are not allowed to post ANYTHING AT ALL. You know, until the real reason this is being done is fulfilled - until we pay.

I think we'd all rather it just be said plainly: "Pay us." At least that'd have a small degree of respectability. Whats hilarious is that none of us, except maybe Bittrex and Mintpal and Cryptsy are likely making enough money off these endeavors to afford to pay the absurdly high advertising rates here. I've looked into it. Hiring someone to run a precisely targeted AdWords campaign is cheaper than tiny advertising space here. The last aucton ended with a slot costing 4 BTC for 1 week. They are stating about 2 million impressions, but there are only about 200k unique IPs. No statistics about click-throughs, which is what just about everyone else uses, so, hard to compare. And since there are 8 slots, people always buy more than 1 to increase their visibility. Lowest last round was 2 slots. At 4 BTC each.

For $2400 I can get one hell of an awesome Google AdWords rep putting on one amazing ad campaign. For a hell of a lot longer than a week. With infinitely more visibility.

Bargain this site is.

No, I don't think the rule is unfair. That would involve some level of thought, malice, or at least a distaste for commerce. Which, given this forum's proven history of supporting scams as long as they pay the advertising fees, is an insane thought.

I think this rule is insane. I think this rule is arbitrary and capricious, and a rather pathetic attempt to garner more advertising revenue without any sort of solid advertising plan or rules regarding such, or price lists..

My earlier comments were to BadBear, who I usually like. He ignored them. Since that's been the case, I have merely aired my grievance in public. This does not affect my posting, as I do not (currently) operate any of the now banned essential services. I have watched this unfold, and watched it being (legitimately) ignored. Like it or not, all things cryptocurrency eventually find their way to this forum. If Theymos needs more revenue, that's understandable. He should consult with businesspeople on how he might do that. Arbitrary and capricious rules with the sole purpose of restricting commerce on a website supposedly dedicated to a new form of commerce do not make monetary or ethical sense. Some restriction on the number of posts per thread to prevent spam, sure. A blanket denial on services that we all rely on in some manner? That could ONLY make sense to someone high on drugs or power.

I am a miner, a trader, and an activist. Not necessarily in that order. I follow the latest happenings in a number of threads. I do NOT regularly scan the OP, and judging by the other posts, neither do the majority of your users. This is ordinary and not egregious. Some of these threads run to hundreds of pages, and just keeping up is often difficult, let alone scanning the OP for posts, or seeking out pools or exchanges via other threads. There is NOT ONE THING in this rule that will actually reduce spam, as an enterprising operator is going to start a new thread and get his friends and sock puppets to bump the hell out of it. Why? because it needs to be noticed by the customers, miners, and yes, casual readers of these fora.

This rule was not thought out. I won't say it was poorly thought out because there was CLEARLY no thought behind it. It was the blind reaction of an amoeba to stimulus, or a drunkard, or a crackhead.

I know this will likely be deleted. It don't matter. It will be seen.

I also am calling you, mprep, personally for your statement "I didn't make the rule...". That is the Nuremburg defense. Those men were hanged. It is NOT a valid defense when asked or ordered to do something you KNOW to be morally suspect. It never has been and it never will be. You seem a decent sort, but you need to take a serious look at what you do. Theymos is too lazy to enforce this, and you know it. If you are trying to get it overturned by it's zealous enforcement, say  so. Ulysses S. Grant was not wrong in that assessment. But don't go with the copout. It lessens you.

Does this apply for pools then? Can we post "Coin added to the pool, please see my thread" or something like that?

1. Yes, it applies.
2. No, you can't.

Ok now this is even more confusing and it goes beyond insane. You've pretty much said that the Exchanges can post on a coin ANN thread to let people know they've added a coin, that they can't post the URL but the exchange is now supposed to refer people to go to the Exchange's thread for the info they need regarding the coin. Why is it so bad that c-cex or bittrex posts information about a coin being added? that's one of the fundamental parts of an altcoin.

You're telling me that the same rule does apply to the pools as well, but that we can't tell people to go to our thread for the information they need?. How does that make sense to you in any way? And please don't say that you didn't make the rule because you're the one enforcing it.

You can discuss the coin's community, specs ,algo, issues with the coin, benefits and disadvantages of it, when a certain feature will be implemented, feature discussion, troubleshooting and support for the coin, updates, hashing speed of the coin, config suggestions for more effective mining, etc.

So people in the Altcoin mining sections can't discuss the most important aspects of an altcoin which are:
1. Extraction
2. Markets/Exchanges/Price


This entire forum is full of scammers, fudsters, there are actually organized groups that have destroyed even good coins by spreading lies and creating fake accounts posing as the actual coin dev. (This happened on GNS and the scam group killed the coin within hours of it being launched) And what happened with the fake accounts? I posted about it and my posts got deleted, the dev had to actually lock the thread and create a self-moderated thread although it was too late, the coin was dead already, this made a lot of people lose money  while the scammers just went to the bank.

It's pretty obvious that some of you actually want the altcoin section to go away, you guys treat the section as a nuisance, when in fact it generates the most traffic for bitcointalk, do you honestly think the huge traffic increase in the past 10 months has been because of Bitcoin?
Keep it up and that traffic will simply go somewhere else.

I do understand these concerns were adressed, but the only thing I can suggest you is to try and establish a direct dialog with BadBear via PM. The more people talk, the more likely they will reach some kind of agreement.

Every staff member can give suggestions on various descisions, however, the final word goes to either one of the admins (and global mods in some cases). So far, both of the admins listen, address and take into account our opinions. Regarding this situation, I have no opinion (neutral). I'm not an alt miner, nor a trader and I tend to follow the bigger and more established alts so the fact these posts have been removed have no effect on me. That's why I'm suggesting to anyone who has a strong opinion about this situation to contact the admins.

I can't believe that we had to wait 2 months after the first decision for a staff member to come out and say this. All the concerns mentioned in the post you replied were addressed months ago. Obviously this decision was too strict and in many ways insane. I was highly suspicious about how staff members agreed to bringing this rule to use. Ends up it's only a couple of people that have total control of this forum's rules.  Don't staff member like you have a voice in such discussions? Obviously the concerns of the community were systematically ignored this time, but it's scary to know that staff members also can't play a role in such decisions (and please correct me if I'm wrong with something).