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Topic: AirGap wallet- Self custody made simple and secure - Protect your crypto offline (Read 2646 times)

newbie
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i will go first with Keystone 3 Pro. i read many positive feedback about it. later will try Airgap.
legendary
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Crypto Swap Exchange
Any one using Airgap Wallet already. its been 3-4 days i am still undecided which wallet is good to buy for long term.
I only had a brief experience [e.g. tests] of using their wallet, so my answer shouldn't matter, but it was good [if you're a newcomer to this field, you might have an easier time with some of the traditional HWs].
- If you ever decide to use this wallet, make sure all of your devices make the cut: Android (5.0 and up), iOS (12 and up)
newbie
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Any one using Airgap Wallet already. its been 3-4 days i am still undecided which wallet is good to buy for long term.
legendary
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Is it possible to exchange Bitcoin for cash, or only bank accounts and credit(debit cards are accepted?
I checked out your latest blog post and mtpelerin website but I couldn't find anything about that information.
This is cool stuff and I am supporting anything kyc-free, but I don't get it why should anyone use air-gapped devices for selling/buying bitcoin.

EDIT:
OK, i found Selling Crypto page on Mtpeleri with more information:
https://www.mtpelerin.com/support#selling
member
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According to the last FAQ on https://airgap.it/airgap-knox/, there is a reset feature that converts the phone back into a standard Android device. @Pearson12 Does it require a password or other type of authentification to reset AirGap Knox and uninstall the device manager?

No further authentication is required to Reset the device. Here is a video that shows how the reset is done. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h12Y_HhQQI
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Maybe that is the case but they only have security updates for few years at most, I think apple has 5 years, samsung flagship devices has 4 years, cheap phones 1 or 2 years, and than they become unsecure.
Since Airgap wallet is based on older device, that means that most of those devices are generally unsecure.

Yes, old models are less secure than new models, but nothing stops the user from using a new model. We started with the idea "based on older model" but some of the libraries we use now require users to use more recent OS, which in turn requires them to use new models.

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So is there a way to revert changes to default state with Reset phone function, and remove AigGap later if we changed out minds?

Yes, there is a factory reset button. After factory resetting, your devices comes back to normal.
legendary
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So is there a way to revert changes to default state with Reset phone function, and remove AigGap later if we changed out minds?
According to the last FAQ on https://airgap.it/airgap-knox/, there is a reset feature that converts the phone back into a standard Android device. 
@Pearson12 Does it require a password or other type of authentification to reset AirGap Knox and uninstall the device manager?
legendary
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Hardware security models aswell as the security design in general of mobile devices is way more secure and battle tested compared to the currently available hardware wallets.
Maybe that is the case but they only have security updates for few years at most, I think apple has 5 years, samsung flagship devices has 4 years, cheap phones 1 or 2 years, and than they become unsecure.
Since Airgap wallet is based on older device, that means that most of those devices are generally unsecure.

The knox lockdown performed is one step deeper than what is offered to the user through i.e. settings. Also user errors (i.e. accidentally turning on wifi) are taken care of by the lock down.
So is there a way to revert changes to default state with Reset phone function, and remove AigGap later if we changed out minds?
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I am not sure if source code can be verified.

knox is only the lockdown of the device, and builds on top of the Android security model. The actual manager of the secret is AirGap Vault and this is 100% verifiable and even the first wallet ever to receive the reproducible the wallet scrutiny score

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Can AirGap Knox be installed on any Android devices, included devices with custom ROM's or Pixel phones that operate with GrapheneOS (not that I would do that), or stock Android must be used?


Knox is meant for Android enterprise devices. which comprises over 550+ devices as of today.

https://androidenterprisepartners.withgoogle.com/devices/#!?device_categories=knowledge_worker

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Correct me if I am wrong but I think we can achieve something similar to disable everything on software level, and for little more money we can already buy brand new hardware wallets.
One more question... can AirGap Knox be removed from device and how?


Hardware security models aswell as the security design in general of mobile devices is way more secure and battle tested compared to the currently available hardware wallets.

The reason is, these devices don't have the privilege of "not care" about the physical attack vector, yet everyone wants to use them them for very security relevant tasks (mobile banking, identity management, etc)

The knox lockdown performed is one step deeper than what is offered to the user through i.e. settings. Also user errors (i.e. accidentally turning on wifi) are taken care of by the lock down.
legendary
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We just launched AirGap Knox: AirGap Knox is the final piece of the puzzle for AirGap Vault
This looks interesting, and I would consider testing how this works with another older smartphone device I have, but than I saw this should be paid $35.90 and I am not sure if source code can be verified.

Can AirGap Knox be installed on any Android devices, included devices with custom ROM's or Pixel phones that operate with GrapheneOS (not that I would do that), or stock Android must be used?
Correct me if I am wrong but I think we can achieve something similar to disable everything on software level, and for little more money we can already buy brand new hardware wallets.
One more question... can AirGap Knox be removed from device and how?
member
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I will graciously download the AirGap Knox on my device which I have dedicated for the same purpose mentioned. I will try to turn it into a hardware wallet with your guide and hopefully will write down a review here or in the new thread itself. Thanks for this. Smiley

Thanks, man, we are looking forward to your review of the entire AirGap solution. Just to clarify, Knox is a device manager, while the AirGap Vault is the center of the AirGap solution that keeps your funds offline. BTW, Knox only works with AirGap Vault.
member
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Does Airgap Knox keep the phone permanently in offline mode with no option for the user to bypass it and turn connectivity on again? Or can I simply turn it off with a click of a button and connect my phone to the internet if I please? As I understood, Knox is a device manager, but a closed-source one, which might not suite many people. Has anyone tested and verified the safety and authenticity of the software?

Knox is a device manager built on Android Enterprise. It disables all forms of connectivity on an OS level ( this is what you don't get by turning your network off & on). so when using Knox you do not have to worry about those kinds of stuff getting on by mistake, in fact, with knox, you only have access to AirGap Vault on your device.

Here are other videos/blog that better explain how to set up knox and what it is.

How to setup AirGap knox: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB4Rq6RlaIs

How AirGap knox looks and feels: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0NL5W_gqy8

https://medium.com/airgap-it/airgaps-newest-product-airgap-knox-3dbf7592533f

legendary
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I will surely use this software to turn my old device into a hardware wallet. My method of doing it air-gapped is very simple, you turn it off and don't turn it on until you want the funds out of it.
That's not how airgapping works, and your phone won't be airgapped just because you turned off the internet and other connectivity. You have to wipe the system first and reset it to factory settings. After that, you install this Knoq solution while configuring your phone, and you never go on the Internet again.

Very poor method to work with it but so far it's far better than my ledger. I lost the ledger once and also found it but obviously one could not forget the big old mobile device laying around which just lost.
You losing your stuff isn't a measure of the quality of those items. You can rightly argue you don't like Ledger for their closed-source nature, poor built quality, the database hacks, etc. But they have nothing to do with you misplacing the device.

It's like saying my new Nike sneakers are awful because they fell off my balcony. I don't like them anymore.
hero member
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I have literally had one device of the ledger and another wallet installed on my phone for a very long time. I never stumbled upon your thread or was not around this section a lot to know this one. I will surely use this software to turn my old device into a hardware wallet. My method of doing it air-gapped is very simple, you turn it off and don't turn it on until you want the funds out of it. Lolz. Very poor method to work with it but so far it's far better than my ledger. I lost the ledger once and also found it but obviously one could not forget the big old mobile device laying around which just lost.

I will graciously download the AirGap Knox on my device which I have dedicated for the same purpose mentioned. I will try to turn it into a hardware wallet with your guide and hopefully will write down a review here or in the new thread itself. Thanks for this. Smiley
legendary
Activity: 2730
Merit: 7065
Does Airgap Knox keep the phone permanently in offline mode with no option for the user to bypass it and turn connectivity on again? Or can I simply turn it off with a click of a button and connect my phone to the internet if I please? As I understood, Knox is a device manager, but a closed-source one, which might not suite many people. Has anyone tested and verified the safety and authenticity of the software?
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