Akhand Bharat - United India : Should it happen ?

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Quote from: Gronthaing on January 01, 2016, 07:03:09 PM

There wouldn't be a winner. They are both nuclear powers. It would be a disaster. And even if nuclear weapons weren't used the conflict would spread throughout the region. And other countries would back either side maybe leading to world war. By the way, was just watching this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON-6vyQugw4 funny but both sides need to bring it down a little.

That is a show more than anything. Not all border guards have such.. lets say performances. But its something of national pride and something no outsider would understand.

Secondly, why would India have to become a muslim majority to unite with Pakistan? Pakistan was made to be a secular state?
Hyderabad united with India and still the majority religion didn't change, Sikkim and manipur were united with Indian Union.. we didnt change to budhism. Did we?

The 'idea' of India is to be the largest secular democracy in the world a country ruled by the people, for the people and a gov. made OF the people. To say any one person or a religious community would have influence over the another would be.. idiotic to say the least.

The 'idea' of Akhand Bharat is not an utopian fantasy, it was a land that actually existed before the seeds of communal violence were sown here. The idea does not propagate a single religious authority, maybe the RSS' version of Akhand Bharat does, but MY Akhand Bharat's idea is of a land that is united by tradition, culture and history. Definitely not by who has the biggest D.. I mean nuke arsenal.

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Quote from: ausbit on January 01, 2016, 10:33:13 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 31, 2015, 11:30:54 PM

Quote from: ausbit on December 30, 2015, 03:14:47 PM

I don't think that akhand bharat or the united india will happen again.

That is a foregone conclusion. India and Pakistan are like arch-rivals right now. Currently it is even difficult to imagine the scenario in which Pakistan merge with India, to create this "Akhand Bharat" utopia. The only possibility of a merger will arise, when India becomes a Muslim majority nation. And that will take quite a lot of time (probably not before AD 2100).

I agree with the subject that Akhand bharat united india. But it might happen when they start talking with each other about the benefits of united nation. Otherwise if there is war. Then those who wins they can rule other nation too.

There wouldn't be a winner. They are both nuclear powers. It would be a disaster. And even if nuclear weapons weren't used the conflict would spread throughout the region. And other countries would back either side maybe leading to world war. By the way, was just watching this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON-6vyQugw4 funny but both sides need to bring it down a little.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 31, 2015, 11:30:54 PM

Quote from: ausbit on December 30, 2015, 03:14:47 PM

I don't think that akhand bharat or the united india will happen again.

That is a foregone conclusion. India and Pakistan are like arch-rivals right now. Currently it is even difficult to imagine the scenario in which Pakistan merge with India, to create this "Akhand Bharat" utopia. The only possibility of a merger will arise, when India becomes a Muslim majority nation. And that will take quite a lot of time (probably not before AD 2100).

I agree with the subject that Akhand bharat united india. But it might happen when they start talking with each other about the benefits of united nation. Otherwise if there is war. Then those who wins they can rule other nation too.

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Quote from: ausbit on December 30, 2015, 03:14:47 PM

I don't think that akhand bharat or the united india will happen again.

That is a foregone conclusion. India and Pakistan are like arch-rivals right now. Currently it is even difficult to imagine the scenario in which Pakistan merge with India, to create this "Akhand Bharat" utopia. The only possibility of a merger will arise, when India becomes a Muslim majority nation. And that will take quite a lot of time (probably not before AD 2100).

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Quote from: ausbit on December 30, 2015, 03:14:47 PM

Quote from: legendster on December 28, 2015, 10:47:31 PM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 25, 2015, 10:59:28 PM

Quote from: panju1 on December 25, 2015, 02:46:49 AM

Very rarely do you see Pakistani PMs completing their terms.
They either get deposed or executed. Grin

That is understandable. The Pakistani Prime Ministers and the other elected officials are just puppets of the army. So they are expected to obey whatever orders which are given to them. When they refuse to obey these orders and rebel, then the army will just kick them out, or worse eliminate them. It has been the case for the last 70-years or so, and in the near future also it will stay like that.

How exactly are you coming to that conclusion? You can't see the future can you? By your response I can clearly see you dont even know the current constitutional amendments in Pakistan.

I don't think that akhand bharat or the united india will happen again. Once the glass is broken, hearts is broken for any reason any benefits, its really very hard to fix it or stick together. Already its broken into pieces. Due to several reason, politics, religious issues with each other. First they need to short out their personnel problems.

Being someone from India and someone who's ancestral family line HAS been affected by the partition, I can tell you this, there would be nothing better for the future of India than an united India. Yes offcourse tensions are there, I mean the partition DID happen for a reason after all and if you've read through all these posts you would know that not everything was as clean as it may seem to an outsider. We do need to 'SORT' it out but that sorting out won't happen without cultural interactions.

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Quote from: legendster on December 28, 2015, 10:47:31 PM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 25, 2015, 10:59:28 PM

Quote from: panju1 on December 25, 2015, 02:46:49 AM

Very rarely do you see Pakistani PMs completing their terms.
They either get deposed or executed. Grin

That is understandable. The Pakistani Prime Ministers and the other elected officials are just puppets of the army. So they are expected to obey whatever orders which are given to them. When they refuse to obey these orders and rebel, then the army will just kick them out, or worse eliminate them. It has been the case for the last 70-years or so, and in the near future also it will stay like that.

How exactly are you coming to that conclusion? You can't see the future can you? By your response I can clearly see you dont even know the current constitutional amendments in Pakistan.

I don't think that akhand bharat or the united india will happen again. Once the glass is broken, hearts is broken for any reason any benefits, its really very hard to fix it or stick together. Already its broken into pieces. Due to several reason, politics, religious issues with each other. First they need to short out their personnel problems.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 25, 2015, 10:59:28 PM

Quote from: panju1 on December 25, 2015, 02:46:49 AM

Very rarely do you see Pakistani PMs completing their terms.
They either get deposed or executed. Grin

That is understandable. The Pakistani Prime Ministers and the other elected officials are just puppets of the army. So they are expected to obey whatever orders which are given to them. When they refuse to obey these orders and rebel, then the army will just kick them out, or worse eliminate them. It has been the case for the last 70-years or so, and in the near future also it will stay like that.

How exactly are you coming to that conclusion? You can't see the future can you? By your response I can clearly see you dont even know the current constitutional amendments in Pakistan.

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Quote from: panju1 on December 25, 2015, 02:46:49 AM

Very rarely do you see Pakistani PMs completing their terms.
They either get deposed or executed. Grin

That is understandable. The Pakistani Prime Ministers and the other elected officials are just puppets of the army. So they are expected to obey whatever orders which are given to them. When they refuse to obey these orders and rebel, then the army will just kick them out, or worse eliminate them. It has been the case for the last 70-years or so, and in the near future also it will stay like that.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 24, 2015, 11:30:33 PM

Quote from: legendster on December 24, 2015, 07:38:16 PM

Political power ? Here is Hina Rabbani saying how little the political powers in Pakistan really are.

It is true. Pakistan is a democratic country only on the outside. In reality, it is a military dictatorship. The Prime Minister and President does not have much control over sectors such as Defense and foreign affairs. All these are under the control of the military chiefs. And when the elected officials cross the red line, the army disposes them, just like what happened to Nawaz Sharif.

There is no outside they ARE a military dictatorship. There have been recent changes in the way that military power translates into laws but in the end it's just US that has constantly USED the pakistany army to do their dirty work.

And sitting from your chair somewhere not IN the region you are free to speculate it doesn't change the ground realities.

Military dictatorship needs to go. The democratically elected bodies may have a hostile stance when it comes to Kashmir but other than that they are ready to work towards peace. It's like Mr Imran Khan said.. "there are enormous dividends of peace." If they dont adhere to the peace then look at that last video link which I posted people are OUT on the streets wanting to return to a state of peace and they are wanting the borders to be diluted.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 24, 2015, 11:30:33 PM

Quote from: legendster on December 24, 2015, 07:38:16 PM

Political power ? Here is Hina Rabbani saying how little the political powers in Pakistan really are.

It is true. Pakistan is a democratic country only on the outside. In reality, it is a military dictatorship. The Prime Minister and President does not have much control over sectors such as Defense and foreign affairs. All these are under the control of the military chiefs. And when the elected officials cross the red line, the army disposes them, just like what happened to Nawaz Sharif.

Very rarely do you see Pakistani PMs completing their terms.
They either get deposed or executed. Grin

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Quote from: legendster on December 24, 2015, 07:38:16 PM

Political power ? Here is Hina Rabbani saying how little the political powers in Pakistan really are.

It is true. Pakistan is a democratic country only on the outside. In reality, it is a military dictatorship. The Prime Minister and President does not have much control over sectors such as Defense and foreign affairs. All these are under the control of the military chiefs. And when the elected officials cross the red line, the army disposes them, just like what happened to Nawaz Sharif.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 22, 2015, 12:35:57 PM

Quote from: Snail2 on December 22, 2015, 11:41:48 AM

Pakistan and Bangladesh are pretty far from each other with no common border, also different ethnic groups and different culture, so a split between the two wasn't a big surprise, I guess.

More interesting and worrying thing is that Pakistan itself seems to have problems with keeping itself together as the Taliban and now IS establishing themselves on the western part of the country.

Ever since Pakistan became an independent nation, the political power has remained with the ethnic Punjabi community, who contitute for a little over 50% of the population. The other ethnic groups (Pashtuns, Mohajirs, Saraikis, Sindhis, Baloches, Brahuis, Kohistanis.etc) have been living under the Punjabi dominance, and they are not very happy about it.

Political power ? Here is Hina Rabbani saying how little the political powers in Pakistan really are.
She admits how weak their democratic government really is and how Pakistan has not even enjoyed a decade in a proper democratically elected political body since it's independence!

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/headtohead/2015/12/rules-pakistan-151201112941549.html

Yes she is hot. Yes I will consider marrying her.

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Merry Christmas.

A very recent investigative approach from CNN IBN a news channel in India reported and recorded these angry crowd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvsi-yPmmwo

Whoever says people in POK are safe and that India is the reason for the people's dismay, make them watch this video.

THIS is the ground reality, people yelling and wanting to be reunited with India.

Inka baap bhi dega AZADI!!

#HellinPOK!

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Quote from: Snail2 on December 22, 2015, 11:41:48 AM

Pakistan and Bangladesh are pretty far from each other with no common border, also different ethnic groups and different culture, so a split between the two wasn't a big surprise, I guess.

More interesting and worrying thing is that Pakistan itself seems to have problems with keeping itself together as the Taliban and now IS establishing themselves on the western part of the country.

Ever since Pakistan became an independent nation, the political power has remained with the ethnic Punjabi community, who contitute for a little over 50% of the population. The other ethnic groups (Pashtuns, Mohajirs, Saraikis, Sindhis, Baloches, Brahuis, Kohistanis.etc) have been living under the Punjabi dominance, and they are not very happy about it.

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Quote from: Snail2 on December 22, 2015, 11:41:48 AM

Quote from: panju1 on December 22, 2015, 10:42:45 AM

If Pakistan and Bangladesh couldn't stay together in spite of being bound by the same religion, then there is no way such diverse countries could unite.

Pakistan and Bangladesh are pretty far from each other with no common border, also different ethnic groups and different culture, so a split between the two wasn't a big surprise, I guess.

More interesting and worrying thing is that Pakistan itself seems to have problems with keeping itself together as the Taliban and now IS establishing themselves on the western part of the country.

They've always been there, large parts of north eastern areas have always been unadministered barren lands which have been sporadically occupied by pashton nomads. It only became a "problem" when Pakistani government declared war against terror in the early 2000's. Which had to happen at some point eventually.

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Quote from: panju1 on December 22, 2015, 10:42:45 AM

If Pakistan and Bangladesh couldn't stay together in spite of being bound by the same religion, then there is no way such diverse countries could unite.

Pakistan and Bangladesh are pretty far from each other with no common border, also different ethnic groups and different culture, so a split between the two wasn't a big surprise, I guess.

More interesting and worrying thing is that Pakistan itself seems to have problems with keeping itself together as the Taliban and now IS establishing themselves on the western part of the country.

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Quote from: panju1 on December 22, 2015, 10:42:45 AM

Quote from: Snail2 on December 22, 2015, 09:46:43 AM

That won't happen. At least not in the foreseeable future. India, Pakistan and Bangladesh (+Burma and Sri Lanka) are not just accidentally broke up. There are too deep religious, cultural, historic and ethnic rifts between these people. The only way to keep such a huge and diverse mass of people together is an external coercive factor.

If Pakistan and Bangladesh couldn't stay together in spite of being bound by the same religion, then there is no way such diverse countries could unite.

Let me give you a brief history of why Bangladesh did not stay united with Pakistan, before the partition of Bengal (not India) there were many hindus living in Bangladesh, so much that the ratio between the hindus and muslims was 3:2 that is for every 2 Hindus there were 3 Muslims. This was a very poor choice by - yet another Englishman playing boss over the native population.

After independence the Pakistani elites were trying to enforce once language all over their country which really started the friction between the poor bengalis and the elite pakistanis. This was followed by very violent ethnic cleansing of the Hindus. Someone had to pay for these atrocities, and if not Pakistan then who?

The fact that despite having a religious majority pakistanis could not keep their country united is the case and point. Religious majority plays a very insignificant role if at all when it comes to keeping a country united.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 22, 2015, 09:54:47 AM

Quote from: legendster on December 22, 2015, 09:22:59 AM

Why do you keep categorizing India as a Hindu country? That in itself shows how much (or less) you know about the ground reality here.

India is a Hindu country, since 80% of the population adheres to that religion. By the same logic, Malaysia is a Muslim country, since 60% of the population there is Muslim, and Russia is a Christian country since around three-fifth of the population there is Christian. And don't teach me about the ground reality in India. I am a regular visitor to India, and I have family connections.

Well looks like you have some deep engraved confusion about the difference between demographics and how a country like India ticks. Yes we have a predominant hindu population but you are over looking the fundamental fact which is the cornerstone of our constitution. India is secular which is the separation of state and religion. This is not England where the states used to be run by some brothel building churches.

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Quote from: Snail2 on December 22, 2015, 09:46:43 AM

That won't happen. At least not in the foreseeable future. India, Pakistan and Bangladesh (+Burma and Sri Lanka) are not just accidentally broke up. There are too deep religious, cultural, historic and ethnic rifts between these people. The only way to keep such a huge and diverse mass of people together is an external coercive factor.

If Pakistan and Bangladesh couldn't stay together in spite of being bound by the same religion, then there is no way such diverse countries could unite.

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Quote from: legendster on December 22, 2015, 09:22:59 AM

Why do you keep categorizing India as a Hindu country? That in itself shows how much (or less) you know about the ground reality here.

India is a Hindu country, since 80% of the population adheres to that religion. By the same logic, Malaysia is a Muslim country, since 60% of the population there is Muslim, and Russia is a Christian country since around three-fifth of the population there is Christian. And don't teach me about the ground reality in India. I am a regular visitor to India, and I have family connections.

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