Topic: Akhand Bharat - United India : Should it happen ? - page 3. (Read 7971 times)

This post topic 1891 views now. Which reminds me of the 1891 census of the Britts conducted in India.
By then the sense of division was already created, it wasnt 'British administered India' anymore but rather 'India' 'Pakistan' 'Bangladesh' & 'Burma'

Truth be told in today's Pakistan where the majority of the population is muslim, still is one of the most oppressed population in the entire world. Nothing that the public wants there is heard by the government.

Before the Mumbai incident and the Laden incident it was only the Indian government that had a bone to pick with the Pakistani government and now EVERYONE AGREES.

When will you guys open your eyes and see that when everyone around you starts pointing the finger at you maybe the problem isnt with everyone but its really YOU.

Its high time that people take power in their hands and overthrow this oppressive Paki govt that fuels terrorism and remove this border once & for all. Only then we can move forward towards the dream of Akhand Bharat.

Writing stuff in Bold and spreading FUD would never help you prove a point - which - to begin with - is baseless.

What IS clear to me is the fact that you are a completely misinformed being and a product of the modern systematic brainwash and you will not change your mindset over an internet forum discussion.
Whoever said that there are 'mass killings' in J&K to you must be a separatist with the sole propaganda of diving The Greater India into further isolated parts. You can already see the condition of the people in Pakistan - Occupied - Kashmir (POK / Azad Kashmir) the only people who seemed to have benefit from that occupation are the greedy politicians - which is a nice way to put it.
To me, it sounds like this :

WHEN :

• Terrorists and separatists infiltrate a poorly administrated border
• People get massacred by the said terrorists and separatists
• People live in constant fear of being shelled upon by heavy artillery
• The said terrorists & separatists pose a serious national threat to the security and the well being of the common people and the national integrity

THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD :

• Hand over the border control to the terrorists and separatists
• Give plebiscite to a disputed area where the terrorists have already infiltrated and successfully created a separatist mentality
• Let the proponents win who want the country to be divided among communal lines
• Leave the people there defenseless against a bigger terrorist invasion threat by withdrawing forces

LOL

If that is what you are saying then you are indeed a wacko out of your mind and hey its not your fault.
It is well documented that people in China idolize Mao Zhedong despite his numerous atrocities upon the poor.
It is a well known fact that people in North Korea think that their leaders are 'gods' who can influence weather with their moods.

Its all a product of systematic brainwash based upon misinformation and misconception which is far far away from the truth. Maybe I should start a thread discussing how to reverse this type of brainwashing prior to discussing the future of Akhand Bharat.

I actually have a few friends in Azad kashmir, mere college students in the Mirpur university and you'd be surprised to know what their point of views are towards the whole Kashmir issue between India & pakistan.


But its best if we look past this stupid argument, I have always believed that not only POK or the rest of Kashmir; but my entire country belongs to every Pakistani, just like the entire Pakistan belongs to every Indian. The division was supposed to END the tensions but it has only increased it, prior to that there was no tension in these parts.

Did I ever said that all the Muslims in Indian administered Kashmir favor joining Pakistan? They don't. Indian administered Kashmir is divided in to 3 regions: Central Kashmir, Jammu and Ladakh. Central Kashmir is almost 100% Muslim (after the exodus of the native Hindus) and a majority of the Muslims there favor either joining Pakistan or independence.

The situation is different in the other 2 regions. In Jammu (around 70% Hindu and Sikh), both the Hindus and Muslims are in favor of remaining in India. The same situation is applicable to the Buddhist majority Ladakh as well.


No. India is composed of 29 states and 7 union territories. In every single one out of these 36 federal subjects, the (proportion of ) Muslim population is increasing. In India as a whole, the percentage of Muslims have increased from 9.8% in 1951, to 14.88% in 2011.

In Indian administered Kashmir, the proportion of Muslims have increased from 64.2% in 1981, to 68.30% in 2011.

You prove my point. In Indian secular democracy 65% majority non-hindu population in a region have no right of plebiscite and freedom of speech/expression.
This percentage was far greater in past. India plan to continue the mass killings to further reduce this percentage before holding referendum a few decades later(before they complete their target).

No. I am not out of my mind. I just happen to be better informed, when compared to you.

Yes. Kashmir is / was a majority Muslim region. But it was never a 100% Muslim area. Kashmir always had a multi-religious population, until 1947. In 1947, the Pakistani Army occupied 40% of the area and the Indian Army occupied some 60%.

All the non-Muslims in the Pakistan occupied Kashmir were exterminated soon after the Pak army invaded the area in 1947. Now, out of a population of 7.5 million, there are ZERO non-Muslims. (Around 25% were non-Muslims in 1947).

Even in the Indian part, all the Hindus and other non-Muslims of Central Kashmir (some 300,000 in total) were expelled by the Pak-backed terrorists in 1989. Those who remained (a few thousand) were massacred, raped and subjected to crimes against humanity.

And who told that 80% of the population of Indian Kashmir want to join Pakistan? Some 35% of the population is non-Muslim and they have no intention to join Pak.

Are you out of your mind? Hindus were driven out of Kashmir? Get your facts straight. Kashmir was and is a Muslim majority and over 80% want to join Pakistan but Kashmir was taken over by force by Indian Army killing and raping thousands of people and they are still living as slaves from 60 years. Why don't the so called largest democracy in world hold referendum and give the people their freedom?
This is one of the many reasons Pakistan will never join Hindu's India.

Muslims face religious prejudice in India? What about the Hindus and Christians who are living in Pakistan or Afghanistan? Are they enjoying their life without any discrimination? In India, the only group which faces discrimination is the Hindus. They were driven out of Kashmir, they were nearly exterminated in Mizoram, and it is close to impossible for a Hindu to obtain a residence permit in the Lakshadweep.

Secularism will never take roots in Indian society. The mindset of most Indians is this way. There is news every other day about religious prejudices faced by muslims in India. Pakistan government on the other hand does not make any false claim of secularism as it's not literally possible in subcontinent.

This would be something which should aspired for. India does have trade agreements with various countries. This can be extended to make it a giant free trade zone. If we can't have free trade across the world, we should at least have a substantial block which is a free trade zone.

Free movement will be a big challenge. Most countries wouldn't want the poor of other countries to migrate. Checking terrorists/fundamentalists from crossing over is also a big problem.

Haha you just helped me prove my point yet again, MOST of you guys know nothing about us and MOST of us know next to nothing about you and since the 'empty head is home to the devil' we come up with these weird misconceptions about each other.
For your information, Pakistani government is not secular, it was never meant to be, when the division happened it was thought that Pakistan was a separate country founded on the basis of providing home to a religious minority community it wasnt decided then that it'd become an islamic state, however your governments chose to side with the middle east and against Indian government & then turned into an islamic state.
Even to this day the power struggle between Rawalpindi and Islamabad turns deadly at a moment's notice and who suffers ? its us the common people.

Its not that hard to google videos and see what the kids in the schools of Pakistan are taught about the Indian government and the Indians in general, its systematic brainwash fueled by a national identity crisis and the only way I see that getting fixed is by removing the factor which started this whole fiasco viz-a-viz the partition.

Agreed, but maybe not to just the 'English Speakers' South Asia was ruled by the French, Dutch, Portuguese, Japanese, German (in China), prior to making any kind of pro merger political party they must make strengthen the trade relations, attempts have been made by forming an organization called SAARC, but Civics books in Junior High schools teach children that SAARC is a failed concept & nothing more.

If you look at Maharashtra as the New York STATE of India then you'd be grossly mistaken. Maharashtra only has a few cities which are of 'world standards' as compared to New York state there are some striking similarities to both these states however.

Regardless,

To me Shiv sena / CITU / Forward Blocks are all 'phase parties' they come up out of nowhere all of a sudden with their extreme right / left mentality create a bit of stir & then they disappear just as fast as they appeared.

If you wanna compare the texan separatist mentality then it can be compared to the random isolated separatists movements of Andhra Pradesh / Telangana / Kashmir / Hyderabad / Gorkhaland / Nagaland every country has these kinds of internal political stunts without which the people behind these movements feel 'ignored' .. these politicians are more like those hormone fueled teenagers who stomp out of their parent's room threatening to leave the house if a certain 'I-Pod' isnt bought.

I'm from Pakistan.
No matter how secular Indian/Pakistani governments are masses will always be "religious fundamentalist". Main reason for division was this religious prejudice.

It would make sense to unite all the english speaking parts of SE Asia into a free-trade, free-movement Union.

can't disagree with anything you just said. i will only add that historically beef was what has sustained the poorest class in this country. they need protein just like everyone else. i think this is just a phase. even modi has not jumped on any of these right wing bandwagons.

one more thing..., texas is a bad comparison to make IMHO

i am from karnataka, but i look at maharashtra as the new york of india, that is why i was surprised by this ban. texas is more like bihar if anything

Shiv sena to me is what the republic of Texas is to the Americans.
Democracy in its design is meant for the masses, IF the majority of people here are not so open minded about beef business then such a business will not happen, but the fact that they had to 'create a ban' simply implies that such businesses were thriving here and were hurting the religious sentiments of a few old school powerful people.
The beef ban is a 'thing' for some politicians to stay relevant to their far right mentality and nothing more.

Think about it, in a country filled with farmers and inconsistent soil composition through out it's geography things like 'beef ban' can only be a passing phase. It literally makes the poor more poorer by reducing their income opportunities. Cattle is by far the most common livestock followed by sheep and pigs and when the cultivation fails the farmers HAVE to turn to the beef market - which they have been doing for a long time. As far as I can remember the beef ban was in Maharashtra only, not the entire country.
Despite this little popularity stunt of a political party, India is still one of the largest beef exporters to China, Japan and pretty much to the rest of the world.

legendster? shiv sena and the beef ban?

Can you enlighten me about at least one internal bill or law which is designed by 'religious fundamentalists' ? Or at least 1 bill or law which undermines any religion ?
I am guessing you are from India rent you ?

I also hope you noticed that the idea is about the political merger of more than just two nations.


You say that India is ruled by religious fundamentalists but you keep forgetting that no one actually rules India, it is a democracy not a monarchy.