I am still laughing that people thought asics would arrive in their hands before 2013.
I dont trust anyone around here trying to make a buck. Show me the product then we can deal.
It is biz 101 and more bitcoin users will be taken to school.
Topic: Already delays in BFL shipment plans? (Read 49567 times)
Agreed. Same goes for BTCFPGA. They're being entirely too quiet lately, precisely when they need to increase transparency to separate themselves from the competition. The whole ASIC landscape is disconcerting ATM, though if I were an Avalon 1st batch customer I'd likely feel more at ease presently.
Couldn't agree more. BFL customers are only going to take Josh's non-update announcements so long. "Update - A few days ago, we had fuzzy dates... we hope they become less fuzzy in the future." That kind of thing will eat at you when you have a grand into it.
And if Tom delays again for some reason, his customers are going to feel like they're getting the same kind of deal the BFL folks deal with, and they too will start jumping. I wouldn't feel totally surprised if BFL and/or BTCFPGA fold up. You can only not deliver until someone else actually delivers. I keep saying it. This game is winner take all (unless they all start shipping within a week or so of each other), and no one seems to realize it.
You're probably better off just dropping the refund money on BTC and sitting on them.
That's the conclusion I came to. Had the products shipped earlier, it would be a different story... but they didn't, so it is refund time, which BFL did provide me. I suspect as more and more people think about it, they're going to start demanding refunds as well.
Ultimately, the majority of miners, even if they love BTC, measure what they're doing in terms of dollars. Let a big upward trend reveal itself and you'll have everyone jumping ship on Josh and Tom and whoever else so they can get their dollars, buy BTC, and make dollars that way. I could be wrong, but I have a feeling if things continue to go bad for BFL, the hard-core fans are going to get stuck holding the bag.
Agreed. Same goes for BTCFPGA. They're being entirely too quiet lately, precisely when they need to increase transparency to separate themselves from the competition. The whole ASIC landscape is disconcerting ATM, though if I were an Avalon 1st batch customer I'd likely feel more at ease presently.
You're probably better off just dropping the refund money on BTC and sitting on them.
That's the conclusion I came to. Had the products shipped earlier, it would be a different story... but they didn't, so it is refund time, which BFL did provide me. I suspect as more and more people think about it, they're going to start demanding refunds as well.
Ultimately, the majority of miners, even if they love BTC, measure what they're doing in terms of dollars. Let a big upward trend reveal itself and you'll have everyone jumping ship on Josh and Tom and whoever else so they can get their dollars, buy BTC, and make dollars that way. I could be wrong, but I have a feeling if things continue to go bad for BFL, the hard-core fans are going to get stuck holding the bag.
Doesn't that equate to BFL shipping before January 14?
For me equates to "We have no idea what we are doing".
lol Agreed. I'm convinced they're(he's?) either totally incompetent or deserving of a scammer tag. Repeatedly spitting out "scheduled shipping" dates that don't make any sense is costing people money and preventing them from re-distributing their resources elsewhere. It reeks of intentional deception.
Not wanting to spread FUD or start a war with Inaba, but "clock buffers" + "fab" = February. If they get chips in December they most likely wont contain those extra clock buffers.
Doesn't that equate to BFL shipping before January 14?
For me equates to "We have no idea what we are doing".
Doesn't that equate to BFL shipping before January 14? Is that Avalon's current shipping date?
I don't see that happening, but time will tell.
I don't see that happening, but time will tell.
Hurray for a lull in trolling.
Here, have some more courtesy of BFL:
Quote from: BFL_Josh
We will definitely not be shipping the week of the 11th, but we should still be getting the chips this month and I should have the exact date from the fab (as in, they will be in breach of contract if they don't deliver by that date) by the end of the week I am told. I have finally discovered why I was not able to acquire that information before now, which helps me get a better handle on the timeline.
We are absolutely still on target to be the first ASIC vendor to ship and I hope to have a specific timeline by this weekend for everyone, Satoshi willing
We are absolutely still on target to be the first ASIC vendor to ship and I hope to have a specific timeline by this weekend for everyone, Satoshi willing
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/492-good-news-good-read-2.html#post7277
if your going to look at it like that, how do you think the pizza guy feels about his 10k btc....
if everyone thinks like that, it means noone is going to spend any coins cause they think its going to be worth shitloads of fiat crap sometime in the future.
if noone spends coins, noone wants coins wich makes them worthless...
back to topic, gogo cancel your asics! make the queue shorter for the rest of us
Oh I actually agree with you. I've never held onto coins hoping the price was going to rise. If I want to buy something and I have the coins, I buy it. I've bought stuff at < $3 before. You can't regret that. if everyone thinks like that, it means noone is going to spend any coins cause they think its going to be worth shitloads of fiat crap sometime in the future.
if noone spends coins, noone wants coins wich makes them worthless...
back to topic, gogo cancel your asics! make the queue shorter for the rest of us
if your going to look at it like that, how do you think the pizza guy feels about his 10k btc....
if everyone thinks like that, it means noone is going to spend any coins cause they think its going to be worth shitloads of fiat crap sometime in the future.
if noone spends coins, noone wants coins wich makes them worthless...
back to topic, gogo cancel your asics! make the queue shorter for the rest of us
if everyone thinks like that, it means noone is going to spend any coins cause they think its going to be worth shitloads of fiat crap sometime in the future.
if noone spends coins, noone wants coins wich makes them worthless...
back to topic, gogo cancel your asics! make the queue shorter for the rest of us
That's a horrible oversimplification. I've missed out on about 14% of the rise in value of the 55ish BTC I used to purchase one bASIC01 unit since I ordered them in mid October(I paid for 1.5 units in FRNs). As I was expecting the units in the next week or two and that's now not going to happen I will likely be paying more in "opportunity costs" lost in the near future.
Had I paid BFL in the summer in BTC for gear that was supposed to be delivered in October, I'd probably be collecting addresses of those responsible for stealing from me right now.
if your going to look at it like that, how do you think the pizza guy feels about his 10k btc....
if everyone thinks like that, it means noone is going to spend any coins cause they think its going to be worth shitloads of fiat crap sometime in the future.
if noone spends coins, noone wants coins wich makes them worthless...
back to topic, gogo cancel your asics! make the queue shorter for the rest of us
if everyone thinks like that, it means noone is going to spend any coins cause they think its going to be worth shitloads of fiat crap sometime in the future.
if noone spends coins, noone wants coins wich makes them worthless...
back to topic, gogo cancel your asics! make the queue shorter for the rest of us
I was getting 360 Gh with BFL.
I could get 576 Gh from bASIC with only $500 more invested.
I think I made the right decision...
I'll let the manufacturers continue the performance/price war, and whoever wins that with actual proof of device existence will get my order!
if your going to look at it like that, how do you think the pizza guy feels about his 10k btc....
if everyone thinks like that, it means noone is going to spend any coins cause they think its going to be worth shitloads of fiat crap sometime in the future.
if noone spends coins, noone wants coins wich makes them worthless...
back to topic, gogo cancel your asics! make the queue shorter for the rest of us
if everyone thinks like that, it means noone is going to spend any coins cause they think its going to be worth shitloads of fiat crap sometime in the future.
if noone spends coins, noone wants coins wich makes them worthless...
back to topic, gogo cancel your asics! make the queue shorter for the rest of us
I guess I can't complain about BFL anymore lol, I finally pulled the trigger.
What am I going to do with my free time???
Now, lets find out how "fast and "flawless" those refunds are!
Good luck to those that are not going to jump ship!
You should have waited until bitcoins went back to $5. You are getting a refund at the worst possible time (with regard to the exchange rate). What am I going to do with my free time???
Now, lets find out how "fast and "flawless" those refunds are!
Good luck to those that are not going to jump ship!
Hopefully the mining will make up for it! Of course, I didn't expect the price to rise either, so I probably would have sold the BTC had I not used it to buy miners. Hindsight is always 20/20... I guess I can't complain about BFL anymore lol, I finally pulled the trigger.
What am I going to do with my free time???
Now, lets find out how "fast and "flawless" those refunds are!
Good luck to those that are not going to jump ship!
You should have waited until bitcoins went back to $5. You are getting a refund at the worst possible time (with regard to the exchange rate). What am I going to do with my free time???
Now, lets find out how "fast and "flawless" those refunds are!
Good luck to those that are not going to jump ship!
Who cares, BFL offers payment in bitcoin, but they don't take them. They take $ from bit-pay and dont care about exchange rate.
I would of made about $1,400 if I would of just held on to the BTC and not pre-ordered any product. This is what they are talking about.
Who cares, BFL offers payment in bitcoin, but they don't take them. They take $ from bit-pay and dont care about exchange rate.
I guess I can't complain about BFL anymore lol, I finally pulled the trigger.
What am I going to do with my free time???
Now, lets find out how "fast and "flawless" those refunds are!
Good luck to those that are not going to jump ship!
You should have waited until bitcoins went back to $5. You are getting a refund at the worst possible time (with regard to the exchange rate). What am I going to do with my free time???
Now, lets find out how "fast and "flawless" those refunds are!
Good luck to those that are not going to jump ship!
Yes, it was around 11 or 11.50 when I purchased, so I didn't miss out on too much.
I guess I can't complain about BFL anymore lol, I finally pulled the trigger.
What am I going to do with my free time???
Now, lets find out how "fast and "flawless" those refunds are!
Good luck to those that are not going to jump ship!
You should have waited until bitcoins went back to $5. You are getting a refund at the worst possible time (with regard to the exchange rate). What am I going to do with my free time???
Now, lets find out how "fast and "flawless" those refunds are!
Good luck to those that are not going to jump ship!
Then I paid twice as much BTC as you for the same stuff. Consider that!
But until then... I will just sit back and watch the race for the first ASIC develop with a much lower stress level!
You're probably better off just dropping the refund money on BTC and sitting on them.
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