please stop the debate
the all informations was clear
we are here in the same team community
I believe that what was done by amber trade is for future development
for large poroject and long term investments in future.
so,for those who still believe in Amber,please bear together
and for who don't believe,you have choice for it
Topic: [AMBER] X13 POW/POS| 10k AMBER=0,01% SHARES | BUY, HOLD & GET DIVIDENDS in BTC/$ - page 178. (Read 407572 times)
October 22, 2015, 06:32:36 AM
October 22, 2015, 06:09:25 AM
Ok, folks. To say I don't owe any Ambercoins or I ever actually liked this coin much.
First: To pay or not to pay dividends is purely shareholders decision. In voting takes part full 100% of shares. (As I understand ambercoin is just of part of Amber Trade Ltd shares).
Second: To get a picture try to find out answers to this questions.
1. If anything or how much Amber Trade Ltd is currently in depth to Lithuanian IRS
2. If anything or how much Amber Trade Ltd is currently in depth for dividends to being in depth to Lithuanian IRS
3. Is company owe any salary to it's employees.
4'th and hardest one to find out: How much or if any outstanding unpaid bills/invoices company has. Meaning bills/invoices that pay to date has breached. (It's common that some invoices go overtime few days or even couple of weeks but start worry if delay is over month or 2).
Here my 2 dimes to make inform decision about Ambercoin and Amber Trade Ltd.
First: To pay or not to pay dividends is purely shareholders decision. In voting takes part full 100% of shares. (As I understand ambercoin is just of part of Amber Trade Ltd shares).
Second: To get a picture try to find out answers to this questions.
1. If anything or how much Amber Trade Ltd is currently in depth to Lithuanian IRS
2. If anything or how much Amber Trade Ltd is currently in depth for dividends to being in depth to Lithuanian IRS
3. Is company owe any salary to it's employees.
4'th and hardest one to find out: How much or if any outstanding unpaid bills/invoices company has. Meaning bills/invoices that pay to date has breached. (It's common that some invoices go overtime few days or even couple of weeks but start worry if delay is over month or 2).
Here my 2 dimes to make inform decision about Ambercoin and Amber Trade Ltd.
October 22, 2015, 05:07:40 AM
If Amber can change the rules on dividend payments at any time, they ought to say that up front.
Instead, they just surprised everyone and reduced ALL OF OUR HOLDINGS VALUE BY %50.
I just don't see how any reasonable person would be ok with this type of behavior?
Ask yourself how you'd tolerate this from a bank? a friend? an employer?
If you don't speak up, others will just throw in their money without knowing all the facts - and that's morally wrong.
Sorry, that's just how I feel and I have every right to express it in the forum.
What's this.
I reserve the right reminding you to stop posting nonsense. Please stop whining. Dividends will be paid.
Who are you? A SHAREHOLDER or a jellyfish.
October 22, 2015, 12:57:32 AM
market goin back to normal.
i understand dumpers but reacting from day 1 makes panic. but community pretty supports coin very well. most of the investors write here support messages.
i understand dumpers but reacting from day 1 makes panic. but community pretty supports coin very well. most of the investors write here support messages.
October 21, 2015, 09:17:09 PM
A company can pay dividend or not, he can change his mind legally till the last second.
Amber Trade didn't reduced the value, dumpers did.
Why don't you wait for all the facts first?
That's the risk, even on stock markets.. You invest in a company with dividends, but you never know if you'll receive some or not.
Dev's told us they postponed the payment, basically we'll receive them...
Wait for the dev to be inactive before to get stressed
Amber Trade didn't reduced the value, dumpers did.
Why don't you wait for all the facts first?
That's the risk, even on stock markets.. You invest in a company with dividends, but you never know if you'll receive some or not.
Dev's told us they postponed the payment, basically we'll receive them...
Wait for the dev to be inactive before to get stressed
October 21, 2015, 09:13:47 PM
I'm still looking forward to finding out more about the souvenir Amber coins. It has been a fun ride and I hope I can get one to remember all this with.
bah,...
you come yesterday here and asking about souvenir,..lol
please man give the respect....alamaaak
October 21, 2015, 09:03:13 PM
Hey Jo-Blo!
You know nothing about your right...
Amber Trade owns approx 85% of the company so they don't even need a board...
So again I ask - is Amber Trade LTD a company? or a crypto currency?
Where are the annual reports? What's the CEO's email address? When are the board meetings?
Where are the board meeting minutes?
So I ask you... Ask for the CEO email addess of ... Apple, Microsoft or any other company and let me know if you can get it
Board Meeting... they still have more than 80% of the shares, so you got no power... Same for me..!
Stop asking for things like if you were a big investors, there's not "big" investors it that company except Amber-Trade itself..
You take your profits or your loss and you got nothing to ask.. sorry 'bout that man
You know nothing about your right...
Amber Trade owns approx 85% of the company so they don't even need a board...
So again I ask - is Amber Trade LTD a company? or a crypto currency?
Where are the annual reports? What's the CEO's email address? When are the board meetings?
Where are the board meeting minutes?
So I ask you... Ask for the CEO email addess of ... Apple, Microsoft or any other company and let me know if you can get it
Board Meeting... they still have more than 80% of the shares, so you got no power... Same for me..!
Stop asking for things like if you were a big investors, there's not "big" investors it that company except Amber-Trade itself..
You take your profits or your loss and you got nothing to ask.. sorry 'bout that man
I feel your pain - we are small investors for sure.
Here is some info I found in a simple google search:
https://www.quora.com/Will-Tim-Cook-be-as-responsive-to-personal-emails-as-Steve-Jobs
http://news.microsoft.com/CEO/INDEX.HTML
So, actually I can contact Apple or MicroSoft.
You've posed my question very well indeed - Is Amber Trade LTD a publicly traded company or a crypto currency?
If Amber can change the rules on dividend payments at any time, they ought to say that up front.
Instead, they just surprised everyone and reduced ALL OF OUR HOLDINGS VALUE BY %50.
I just don't see how any reasonable person would be ok with this type of behavior?
Ask yourself how you'd tolerate this from a bank? a friend? an employer?
If you don't speak up, others will just throw in their money without knowing all the facts - and that's morally wrong.
Sorry, that's just how I feel and I have every right to express it in the forum.
October 21, 2015, 08:18:37 PM
Hey Jo-Blo!
You know nothing about your right...
Amber Trade owns approx 85% of the company so they don't even need a board...
So again I ask - is Amber Trade LTD a company? or a crypto currency?
Where are the annual reports? What's the CEO's email address? When are the board meetings?
Where are the board meeting minutes?
So I ask you... Ask for the CEO email addess of ... Apple, Microsoft or any other company and let me know if you can get it
Board Meeting... they still have more than 80% of the shares, so you got no power... Same for me..!
Stop asking for things like if you were a big investors, there's not "big" investors it that company except Amber-Trade itself..
You take your profits or your loss and you got nothing to ask.. sorry 'bout that man
You know nothing about your right...
Amber Trade owns approx 85% of the company so they don't even need a board...
So again I ask - is Amber Trade LTD a company? or a crypto currency?
Where are the annual reports? What's the CEO's email address? When are the board meetings?
Where are the board meeting minutes?
So I ask you... Ask for the CEO email addess of ... Apple, Microsoft or any other company and let me know if you can get it
Board Meeting... they still have more than 80% of the shares, so you got no power... Same for me..!
Stop asking for things like if you were a big investors, there's not "big" investors it that company except Amber-Trade itself..
You take your profits or your loss and you got nothing to ask.. sorry 'bout that man
October 21, 2015, 07:58:55 PM
Why was there a need to attract external funding?
Because the funds that the company has got from the sale of shares and the company's profit were not enough to finance all the projects necessary for growth.
At the same time, the company prefers to raise an external funding instead of selling its shares cheap.
Because the funds that the company has got from the sale of shares and the company's profit were not enough to finance all the projects necessary for growth.
At the same time, the company prefers to raise an external funding instead of selling its shares cheap.
GREAT - why wouldn't you let us know much, much sooner? AMBER couldn't sell enough shares even to cover the $72k, they'd divest themselves below %51.
aka - the coin and reached it's valued end. It's increased value isn't strong enough to pay shareholders thru divested sales of minted/staked coin.
Do the numbers shareholders, you'll see that I'm correct.
Why it was necessary to postpone the payout of dividends for the 3rd Quarter?
The main reason is the fact that the company is currently carries out a geological exploration on the new field. After that we still need to obtain a permition for mining there. This process requires a serious investments. At the same time it shouldn’t be interrupted.
In addition, the success of this process directly affects the future profits of the company and its capitalization.
As the external funding was not received until October 15 then the company was forced to make a decision on the temporary use of its profits.
The main reason is the fact that the company is currently carries out a geological exploration on the new field. After that we still need to obtain a permition for mining there. This process requires a serious investments. At the same time it shouldn’t be interrupted.
In addition, the success of this process directly affects the future profits of the company and its capitalization.
As the external funding was not received until October 15 then the company was forced to make a decision on the temporary use of its profits.
So AmberTrade is using stock value to fund this geological exploration?
Any literature for the shareholders? That's how most companies do it, and they issue reports regarding this type of thing.
AGAIN - is AMBER a company or a crypto currency? When Amber decides to keep shareholders money, we have the right
to know why at a level much higher than a blog post.
Why Company cannot pay $72k now and use the rest of its profit for development?
Because such an approach is not even considered.
All shareholders have equal rights in spite of the size of the share.
It can not be that some shareholders finances development while the others at the same time receives dividends.
Because such an approach is not even considered.
All shareholders have equal rights in spite of the size of the share.
It can not be that some shareholders finances development while the others at the same time receives dividends.
Unfortunately, you're not entirely correct here. For instance, the company holds %51 stock and is keeping it share of the profits.
So, some shareholder(s) (Amber Trade LTD) are actually receiving dividends. That's how a publicly traded "company" works.
So again I ask - is Amber Trade LTD a company? or a crypto currency?
Where are the annual reports? What's the CEO's email address? When are the board meetings?
Where are the board meeting minutes?
October 21, 2015, 07:43:39 PM
Then why is it stated in BIG RED LETTERS that buying this coin will earn a dividend?
Actually, it says:
- - - - -
I have 10,000+ Amber. How should I register my wallet?
1. You should download an AmberCoin wallet.
2. Then move there coins that you have.
3. To register your wallet you just need to send a message to [email protected] containing your wallet address. Company checks your wallet and adds you to a shareholders list. After that your wallet's balance will be monitored automatically and you will get your dividends after the end of a quarter.
- - - - -
In my opinion, they're still living up to their promise. The amount of the dividend has been clearly stated for each shareholder, it's just a matter of time.
Great, I love it - WHEN? After they company secures a risky loan? OK WOW, SO CONFIDENT.
My point is, you just can't dump unexpected news on shareholders and expect everything to be ok.
It's not unreasonable for me to feel this way - coin price still dropping, btw.
Great buying opportunity for others. Like I say, if I see my $120 dividend I will likely re-invest.
I'm not counting on it, that's for sure.
October 21, 2015, 07:17:09 PM
While you have some hours until more detailed explanations why Amber Trade Ltd has postponed dividends payouts for Q3 take a look at this old article.
It is actual today as well.
http://www.ibtimes.com/why-doesnt-apple-pay-dividend-253145
P.S. And pay special attention that we have not cancelled payouts but just postponed.
It is actual today as well.
http://www.ibtimes.com/why-doesnt-apple-pay-dividend-253145
P.S. And pay special attention that we have not cancelled payouts but just postponed.
This is preposterous, and simply not relevant to the discussion, you can't "cancel" agreed-upon dividends.
If a company says it's going to pay a dividend, then "delays" the dividend, in most cases it's criminal/illegal.
"Cancel" here should be understood as "to direct a profit to the development of the company".
The company has the right to take such a decision.
All the rest was described above.
Where are the rules that state that the company has the right to "Cancel" dividend payments?
Is there a document that governs the company?
Is this REALLY still your banner?
AMBERCOIN – 1-st crypto backed by AMBER - Buy, Hold and Get dividends in BTC/$
Please find-out when the company plans to pay it's shareholders.
I could actually care-less about the plan for the company, it's far more important to let THE SHAREHOLDERS
know when AmberTrade LTD plans to make us whole.
If you don't I'm sure the price will fall even farther tomorrow, and the next day....etc.
davembg FORMER Amber shareholder
October 21, 2015, 07:12:59 PM
Hi Community,
Due to a small error with the Cryptsy #Tier update AmberCoin payouts are delayed. Payouts will run ASAP!
We hold a Tier 2 verification so this does not affect us after the bug is fixed on their end.
Regards
Increasing Altcoin Value
http://steakcloud.com
Due to a small error with the Cryptsy #Tier update AmberCoin payouts are delayed. Payouts will run ASAP!
We hold a Tier 2 verification so this does not affect us after the bug is fixed on their end.
Regards
Increasing Altcoin Value
http://steakcloud.com
October 21, 2015, 07:11:56 PM
Please notice that divident payments has been postponed, not cancelled, thats a big difference. The price fall, because many of us don't understand this signifficant difference.
I'm sure that after payment, the price will recover.
I'm sure that after payment, the price will recover.
October 21, 2015, 07:07:42 PM
My younger brother has a degree in finance and a law degree (juris doctorate.) When I saw the post last night I texted point blank asking him the legality of such thing, "I believe there is no legal obligation to pay a dividend." I tend to believe him and his book learning. I feel DEV is on the up and up, and if you want out I'll try setting up some painfully low wall to dump into at some time tomorrow.
I'm not saying the Dev has anything to do with investor confidence - in fact, I doubt he's a decision maker of any kind
in regards to the recent change in dividend payout schedules.
I totally agree there is no legal obligation to pay the dividend.
Then why is it stated in BIG RED LETTERS that buying this coin will earn a dividend?
The coin has now lost 50% of it's value and will likely not recover it's previous reputation.
No matter how much chest-thumping and whining goes-on here, the fact remains that expectations
were met in terms of revenue, but, shareholder confidence was absolutely HAMMERED by this last minute
and obviously unexpected decision.
October 21, 2015, 07:00:19 PM
Dump again.. thanks dumpers 
Yes, thanks for bailing me out:) Good luck to you.
October 21, 2015, 06:57:07 PM
@Devega : You really should sell your stack, I'm offering you... 3500 satos each! Better than nothing for a scam isn't it? 
Contact me, I'll be glad to had 10k Amber in my wallet 
... You could buy some RACE with it! (Ferrari)
More, no more FUD about things people don't even know!
Contact me, I'll be glad to had 10k Amber in my wallet ... You could buy some RACE with it! (Ferrari)More, no more FUD about things people don't even know!
lol, I think you totally misunderstood what I wrote, read again carefully...
October 21, 2015, 06:52:52 PM
@Devega : You really should sell your stack, I'm offering you... 3500 satos each! Better than nothing for a scam isn't it? Contact me, I'll be glad to had 10k Amber in my wallet ... You could buy some RACE with it! (Ferrari)
More, no more FUD about things people don't even know!
Contact me, I'll be glad to had 10k Amber in my wallet ... You could buy some RACE with it! (Ferrari)More, no more FUD about things people don't even know!
October 21, 2015, 06:47:52 PM
Dump again.. thanks dumpers
October 21, 2015, 06:39:50 PM
My younger brother has a degree in finance and a law degree (juris doctorate.) When I saw the post last night I texted point blank asking him the legality of such thing, "I believe there is no legal obligation to pay a dividend." I tend to believe him and his book learning. I feel DEV is on the up and up, and if you want out I'll try setting up some painfully low wall to dump into at some time tomorrow.
October 21, 2015, 06:39:20 PM
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@AmberCoinDev - I believe I understand correctly that you obtained the external 3 Million USD on 10-15-15? If so, the money should hit your accounts soon correct? At that point dividends will be paid? Please advise.
No.
If we have obtained the external 3 Million USD on 10-15-15 then there would not have been any delays.
Now we only have a positive decision to grant funds.
But we don't know exactly when they will hit our account.
We will let you know it once we have such an information.
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