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But still, it is difficult to bluff the opponents if you play an online poker game as we do not see what reaction from our opponents. Maybe we can use controllability to bluff but decoy them and think that we have a bad card. But you can still try that method and hopefully.

it's true that poker face can only be experienced in real life. but it can also be done through bet size and game time. Yes, actually this is also tricky
because anyone can bluff. So poker is a game that uses mental as well. most high roll poker they played with strong hand so rare people bluff, It also depends on the player.

If we only use bet size and game time to bluff the opponent, I am not sure that can work as the opponent can turn to bluff us with big money or other things. Maybe it only depends on how we play poker cards and try to beat the opponents and have the luck to be the winner. Otherwise, it will be difficult to beat them and get the money. Or we can just play poker cards for fun so that we do not have to think seriously about winning the game.

that is why it is called bluffing mate , because you are risking your position trying to scare your opponent but of course not all who use this strategy succeed because nowadays this has been obviously used and being distracted by other gamblers.

i remember when we were young , and playing local Poker bluffing is really in effect specially in opponent that we knew has a soft character? those are the most losers in poker.

If we are sure of our position, it will not be a problem to bluff the opponent because we can win. But sometimes, although we are sure with the card we have, the opponent can just bluff us by pretending they do not have a good card and seem to lose.

We can think that we are smart to bluff the opponent but we should remember that the opponent will not give up although they do not have good cards than us.

Don't bluff too much because the opponent will easily read the style of play, bluffing must also be at the right time and an effective way to bluff when the opponent is only 3 or 2 players because you will easily read the opponent.
and bluffing must also be supported by cards and have a strong belief that you will win, and you will win if you play poker for a long time because you will master and read the opponent's game.

I really like playing poker because it will trigger an adrenaline rush when opponents bluff and feel challenged.

Maybe if you can use different bluffing methods, they will not know the truth about what your card is. But if you meet a pro poker player, I am not sure you can bluff them as they will have more experience from you and can easily bluff you back. If you look too confident or believe, your opponent can sometimes identify if you have good cards. Maybe the only thing you can do is use a cold face and pretend that you do not have a good card. I see this chance have more chances to win as the opponent will see that we are so stupid to manage the cards.

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I think that is because when you play poker cards, you need to have experience and skills, including how to bluff your opponent or know if your opponent had a good card or bad card.

A poker game is a poker game and I think it will not be the same as the other card game and no alternative in a poker card game. But there is a card game that has a different rule than a poker game.

There are many card games that have different rules but same concepts with skills and strategy that you need to apply in order to win against your opponents.

Good cards and the way your opponents have will be at your shoulder to how you will counter and make sure that at the end of the game you will win. It's an entertaining game that you can perform with your relatives or friends aside from taking it from the gambling houses.

and likewise, poker is poker and with your knowledge and skills you'll have a better chance to win while enjoying the game.

Poker at some point is the most enjoyable card game as the strategy in the past of Bluffing really take effect , i remember losing many time because my opponent uses that and i don't know he is great in bluffing in which even i am confident enough in my card yet He'll get m surrender .

but nowadays this strategy has been burned and only noob got this trapped.

i think there will never be card game that replaced poker , though others are also good to play but poker is poker like what you have just said.

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Quote from: hahay on September 07, 2021, 01:47:06 AM

~Playing poker with and without money will be much different, you can't learn it at home with only friends and without money. It's the same as fantasy space and reality, when in fantasy space you can make and plan many strategies but when faced with reality, you will find it difficult to do that. So in this case, if you want to learn and get a lot of strategies at least you should get involved with real money too because only in that way will your experience be formed more maturely.

At the very start I used to play a lot with my friends(no money involved), and I agree with you, even if you can potentially win just $0.1 it's different. I suspect some rich folks play real money poker not to win money(they don't need it), but to get this feeling, the feeling that the game is for real.

If anything, this would be an "alternative to Poker", in a way: a poker game where no money involved, but which feels real still. Maybe because you can earn some valuable points, or likes, or whatever, something as valuable as merits here on this forum.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on September 06, 2021, 09:48:33 AM

I think that is because when you play poker cards, you need to have experience and skills, including how to bluff your opponent or know if your opponent had a good card or bad card.

A poker game is a poker game and I think it will not be the same as the other card game and no alternative in a poker card game. But there is a card game that has a different rule than a poker game.

There are many card games that have different rules but same concepts with skills and strategy that you need to apply in order to win against your opponents.

Good cards and the way your opponents have will be at your shoulder to how you will counter and make sure that at the end of the game you will win. It's an entertaining game that you can perform with your relatives or friends aside from taking it from the gambling houses.

and likewise, poker is poker and with your knowledge and skills you'll have a better chance to win while enjoying the game.

Yes, the concepts will be the same but most people do not see clearly about that instead, they are still trying without learning more about skills and strategy. It is not easy to make sure that at the end of the game, we can win as our opponent will not let us win instead will try to beat us in the next rounds. If we do not want to lose some money, maybe we can play poker in our home without money involved because that will help us improve our skills and learn some strategies to be used in the casino.

Playing poker with and without money will be much different, you can't learn it at home with only friends and without money. It's the same as fantasy space and reality, when in fantasy space you can make and plan many strategies but when faced with reality, you will find it difficult to do that. So in this case, if you want to learn and get a lot of strategies at least you should get involved with real money too because only in that way will your experience be formed more maturely.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on September 06, 2021, 09:48:33 AM

I think that is because when you play poker cards, you need to have experience and skills, including how to bluff your opponent or know if your opponent had a good card or bad card.

A poker game is a poker game and I think it will not be the same as the other card game and no alternative in a poker card game. But there is a card game that has a different rule than a poker game.

There are many card games that have different rules but same concepts with skills and strategy that you need to apply in order to win against your opponents.

Good cards and the way your opponents have will be at your shoulder to how you will counter and make sure that at the end of the game you will win. It's an entertaining game that you can perform with your relatives or friends aside from taking it from the gambling houses.

and likewise, poker is poker and with your knowledge and skills you'll have a better chance to win while enjoying the game.

Yes, the concepts will be the same but most people do not see clearly about that instead, they are still trying without learning more about skills and strategy. It is not easy to make sure that at the end of the game, we can win as our opponent will not let us win instead will try to beat us in the next rounds. If we do not want to lose some money, maybe we can play poker in our home without money involved because that will help us improve our skills and learn some strategies to be used in the casino.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on September 06, 2021, 09:48:33 AM

I think that is because when you play poker cards, you need to have experience and skills, including how to bluff your opponent or know if your opponent had a good card or bad card.

A poker game is a poker game and I think it will not be the same as the other card game and no alternative in a poker card game. But there is a card game that has a different rule than a poker game.

There are many card games that have different rules but same concepts with skills and strategy that you need to apply in order to win against your opponents.

Good cards and the way your opponents have will be at your shoulder to how you will counter and make sure that at the end of the game you will win. It's an entertaining game that you can perform with your relatives or friends aside from taking it from the gambling houses.

and likewise, poker is poker and with your knowledge and skills you'll have a better chance to win while enjoying the game.

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But still, it is difficult to bluff the opponents if you play an online poker game as we do not see what reaction from our opponents. Maybe we can use controllability to bluff but decoy them and think that we have a bad card. But you can still try that method and hopefully.

it's true that poker face can only be experienced in real life. but it can also be done through bet size and game time. Yes, actually this is also tricky
because anyone can bluff. So poker is a game that uses mental as well. most high roll poker they played with strong hand so rare people bluff, It also depends on the player.

yes, specially on playing online a player will probably be better by calculating odds and statistics of each hand than trying to figure out if the opponent is bluffing or not
but still there are high emotion plays and intuition on online games too, even by making it more difficult to "read" the other players on the table.

Actually, in online poker, we can determine or predict the opponent's next action by playing them for a long time at a table, their decision making on a table, that's the only thing you'll have a chance to have an ace on winning.

The same is true in actual poker; playing with them for an extended period of time at a table will reveal whether their facial reactions or mannerism is a sign of mistakes. Poker isn't only by skills, you need to be observant too and knew probabilities so it's really hard to find some alternative to poker.

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Quote from: michellee on September 02, 2021, 05:45:35 AM

But still, it is difficult to bluff the opponents if you play an online poker game as we do not see what reaction from our opponents. Maybe we can use controllability to bluff but decoy them and think that we have a bad card. But you can still try that method and hopefully.

it's true that poker face can only be experienced in real life. but it can also be done through bet size and game time. Yes, actually this is also tricky
because anyone can bluff. So poker is a game that uses mental as well. most high roll poker they played with strong hand so rare people bluff, It also depends on the player.

yes, specially on playing online a player will probably be better by calculating odds and statistics of each hand than trying to figure out if the opponent is bluffing or not
but still there are high emotion plays and intuition on online games too, even by making it more difficult to "read" the other players on the table.

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But still, it is difficult to bluff the opponents if you play an online poker game as we do not see what reaction from our opponents. Maybe we can use controllability to bluff but decoy them and think that we have a bad card. But you can still try that method and hopefully.

it's true that poker face can only be experienced in real life. but it can also be done through bet size and game time. Yes, actually this is also tricky
because anyone can bluff. So poker is a game that uses mental as well. most high roll poker they played with strong hand so rare people bluff, It also depends on the player.

If we only use bet size and game time to bluff the opponent, I am not sure that can work as the opponent can turn to bluff us with big money or other things. Maybe it only depends on how we play poker cards and try to beat the opponents and have the luck to be the winner. Otherwise, it will be difficult to beat them and get the money. Or we can just play poker cards for fun so that we do not have to think seriously about winning the game.

that is why it is called bluffing mate , because you are risking your position trying to scare your opponent but of course not all who use this strategy succeed because nowadays this has been obviously used and being distracted by other gamblers.

i remember when we were young , and playing local Poker bluffing is really in effect specially in opponent that we knew has a soft character? those are the most losers in poker.

If we are sure of our position, it will not be a problem to bluff the opponent because we can win. But sometimes, although we are sure with the card we have, the opponent can just bluff us by pretending they do not have a good card and seem to lose.

We can think that we are smart to bluff the opponent but we should remember that the opponent will not give up although they do not have good cards than us.

Don't bluff too much because the opponent will easily read the style of play, bluffing must also be at the right time and an effective way to bluff when the opponent is only 3 or 2 players because you will easily read the opponent.
and bluffing must also be supported by cards and have a strong belief that you will win, and you will win if you play poker for a long time because you will master and read the opponent's game.

I really like playing poker because it will trigger an adrenaline rush when opponents bluff and feel challenged.

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There are always people thinking about new games however I am not so sure if they will become millionaires with it as for the most part games can be easily replicated by other people, however assuming this happened in an important casino, whether the casino is offline or online, then the popularity and the prestige of the casino could grow to the point they make some additional profits out of it, something that is not bad at all taking into account the gambling industry has a lot of competition and anything that can make unique your casino is something highly sought after.

Well I think investing in an NFT games today were worth it but we need to be wise when it comes to a project that were going to invest with because there are many NFT game projects arises today and some of them turned out non profitable. I think NFT game was one of the future of cryptocurrency but being a gambler this might not just satisfies the feeling of playing gambling like poker and casino. There's no alternative in poker game which combine a skill and luck based kind of game, the feeling of playing poker is kind of different and exciting.

I think that is because when you play poker cards, you need to have experience and skills, including how to bluff your opponent or know if your opponent had a good card or bad card.

A poker game is a poker game and I think it will not be the same as the other card game and no alternative in a poker card game. But there is a card game that has a different rule than a poker game.

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Quote from: Silberman on September 05, 2021, 03:37:56 PM

There are always people thinking about new games however I am not so sure if they will become millionaires with it as for the most part games can be easily replicated by other people, however assuming this happened in an important casino, whether the casino is offline or online, then the popularity and the prestige of the casino could grow to the point they make some additional profits out of it, something that is not bad at all taking into account the gambling industry has a lot of competition and anything that can make unique your casino is something highly sought after.

Well I think investing in an NFT games today were worth it but we need to be wise when it comes to a project that were going to invest with because there are many NFT game projects arises today and some of them turned out non profitable. I think NFT game was one of the future of cryptocurrency but being a gambler this might not just satisfies the feeling of playing gambling like poker and casino. There's no alternative in poker game which combine a skill and luck based kind of game, the feeling of playing poker is kind of different and exciting.

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Quote from: BTCLiz on April 11, 2021, 05:52:06 AM

Hey guys,

what do yout think about a new game, which involves both luck and skill like poker? Is there already such an alternative on the market? The problem with poker is that it is already solved by algorithms. Sure, there are still some players, but not as much as in the old glory times...

Edit: I'm just regarding games that you can play PvP and not against a house-edge-casino.. Wink

playing poker is certainly based on the factor that every player must have a little analysis, a little determining the direction of the poker game means at least being able to read the opponent's cards and understand the arrangement if playing online, This is usually used in Pvp online poker betting.

However I don't understand what the OP meant about Alternative poker.
What's this: List of Poker Alternative Links, which the OP is looking for if yes, let me know.

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Investing and gambling are still not the same

Theres many blurred lines here, people talk about investing in BTC but just buying a commodity or currency is not really investment how I would classify it. There a speculative interest in future supply demand which does not equate to ongoing investment in a profitable enterprise. Its still valid but the reason people mix the two sectors of gambling and finance is speculative bets on prices could easily come close to gambling in how random the markets are on most days, especially if employing leverage.
My largest 'bets' on BTC have at times been with a mainstream company that deploys finance laws and regulation yet is taxed as gambling. Government and central banking have now outlawed the idea of betting on BTC pricing for humble serfs such as myself, so back to the badlands of purely decentralized trading it is. Of course the elites or very richest people can classify themselves as business and do anything at all so mainstream is very much involved with BTC.

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Quote from: hello_good_sir on August 31, 2021, 09:57:06 PM

NFT games are probably the best thing that fits your bill right now.

Another thing that you could look into is video poker, but of course you'd be playing against the house.

But with video poker you have a chance of getting meaningful edge on your side if you play everything perfectly which might be what you're looking for? That's also solved by algorithms but it's much harder said than done.

Most NFT games look like a "play to win" scam to me.I know that all gambling games require money to be 'invested',but the NFT games,which I know are mostly about buying some weird "asset" and waiting for that "asset" to pay you income or dividends in the form of a token.You could upgrade that asset by spending more crypto.There's no luck or skill here.It looks more like a cloud mining scam or a ponzi scheme to me.
Anyway,I don't know about what kind of game can beat poker in terms of balance between skill and luck.
The guy how creates such game would be considered a genius and will become a millionaire.

There are always people thinking about new games however I am not so sure if they will become millionaires with it as for the most part games can be easily replicated by other people, however assuming this happened in an important casino, whether the casino is offline or online, then the popularity and the prestige of the casino could grow to the point they make some additional profits out of it, something that is not bad at all taking into account the gambling industry has a lot of competition and anything that can make unique your casino is something highly sought after.

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Quote from: Johnyz on September 04, 2021, 08:45:27 AM

NFT games are meant to be played and you'll get your bonus once you play very well so I think there's still a need for a great skill there and sometimes luck, just like the Axie. Though poker requires no investment because that's pure gambling and there's no guarantee that you'll make money not unlike on NFT right now,

In poker, a professional player can make more than the NFT players can make. But if you're just someone who plays and thinks that can do it on your own because you've seen some good poker players make money from it, you're doing it very wrong.

Quote from: Johnyz on September 04, 2021, 08:45:27 AM

many guarantees you a profit at a reasonable profit, so for me NFT play to earn games can be a good alternative.

Investing and gambling are still not the same, there's the distinction between an investor and gambler.

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Quote from: hello_good_sir on August 31, 2021, 09:57:06 PM

NFT games are probably the best thing that fits your bill right now.

Another thing that you could look into is video poker, but of course you'd be playing against the house.

But with video poker you have a chance of getting meaningful edge on your side if you play everything perfectly which might be what you're looking for? That's also solved by algorithms but it's much harder said than done.

Most NFT games look like a "play to win" scam to me.I know that all gambling games require money to be 'invested',but the NFT games,which I know are mostly about buying some weird "asset" and waiting for that "asset" to pay you income or dividends in the form of a token.You could upgrade that asset by spending more crypto.There's no luck or skill here.It looks more like a cloud mining scam or a ponzi scheme to me.
Anyway,I don't know about what kind of game can beat poker in terms of balance between skill and luck.
The guy how creates such game would be considered a genius and will become a millionaire.

NFT games are meant to be played and you'll get your bonus once you play very well so I think there's still a need for a great skill there and sometimes luck, just like the Axie. Though poker requires no investment because that's pure gambling and there's no guarantee that you'll make money not unlike on NFT right now, many guarantees you a profit at a reasonable profit, so for me NFT play to earn games can be a good alternative.

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Quote from: michellee on September 02, 2021, 05:45:35 AM

But still, it is difficult to bluff the opponents if you play an online poker game as we do not see what reaction from our opponents. Maybe we can use controllability to bluff but decoy them and think that we have a bad card. But you can still try that method and hopefully.

it's true that poker face can only be experienced in real life. but it can also be done through bet size and game time. Yes, actually this is also tricky
because anyone can bluff. So poker is a game that uses mental as well. most high roll poker they played with strong hand so rare people bluff, It also depends on the player.

If we only use bet size and game time to bluff the opponent, I am not sure that can work as the opponent can turn to bluff us with big money or other things. Maybe it only depends on how we play poker cards and try to beat the opponents and have the luck to be the winner. Otherwise, it will be difficult to beat them and get the money. Or we can just play poker cards for fun so that we do not have to think seriously about winning the game.

that is why it is called bluffing mate , because you are risking your position trying to scare your opponent but of course not all who use this strategy succeed because nowadays this has been obviously used and being distracted by other gamblers.

i remember when we were young , and playing local Poker bluffing is really in effect specially in opponent that we knew has a soft character? those are the most losers in poker.

If we are sure of our position, it will not be a problem to bluff the opponent because we can win. But sometimes, although we are sure with the card we have, the opponent can just bluff us by pretending they do not have a good card and seem to lose.

We can think that we are smart to bluff the opponent but we should remember that the opponent will not give up although they do not have good cards than us.

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Quote from: Reatim on September 03, 2021, 05:55:29 AM

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that is why it is called bluffing mate , because you are risking your position trying to scare your opponent but of course not all who use this strategy succeed because nowadays this has been obviously used and being distracted by other gamblers.

i remember when we were young , and playing local Poker bluffing is really in effect specially in opponent that we knew has a soft character? those are the most losers in poker.

Not anymore. You said it yourself, "when we were young", and I believe you that 10 years ago aggressive poker players have had an edge over passive ones in your local area. I believe you because, in fact, everywhere in the world aggressive players were harvesting their crops at the tables back then. This has ended around 3-4 years ago (ok, that's just my theory, it's not necessary to agree with me.

), when some smart guys and girls, especially girls actually, have started to exploit over aggressiveness of their opponents and beat them more often than not.

Returning to the topic, I'd like to say that we don't need "an alternative to Poker", because poker wasn't "solved", and probably will never be. It's not a chess game, which indeed was solved many years ago. Poker is different, it's a great game, it's more like real life. Can you solve life? No one can.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on September 02, 2021, 07:51:38 PM

Quote from: BTCLiz on April 11, 2021, 05:52:06 AM

Hey guys,

what do yout think about a new game, which involves both luck and skill like poker? Is there already such an alternative on the market? The problem with poker is that it is already solved by algorithms. Sure, there are still some players, but not as much as in the old glory times...

Edit: I'm just regarding games that you can play PvP and not against a house-edge-casino.. Wink

The thing about poker is, no matter how skilled a player might be, there will always be that element of luck that has to go in one's favor in order to win. But, a player could manipulate those lucks and turn them against their opponent which can decide the tide of the battle. The only card game that I can thought of is blackjack. Though it may be shorter and simpler, the mechanics are somehow similar.

Another thing, I also do think that poker is fine on its own- like there can be no similar game that can match the level of skill and amount of luck required. If you are really desperate on looking for one, then I suggest that you should check out online casinos and their games as they offer innovative and new features on their website as well.

True, and that makes Poker quite unique and fun across all skill levels. If luck is in your favor, you can beat the best of the best on a lucky day. I guess that is what attracts everyone. It also leads to wrong confirmation of alleged skill levels. Some of the guys being very lucky for a whole day or even a week (WSOP for example) really believe they are the best, while in fact they are not! Cheesy

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Quote from: hello_good_sir on August 31, 2021, 09:57:06 PM

NFT games are probably the best thing that fits your bill right now.

Another thing that you could look into is video poker, but of course you'd be playing against the house.

But with video poker you have a chance of getting meaningful edge on your side if you play everything perfectly which might be what you're looking for? That's also solved by algorithms but it's much harder said than done.

Most NFT games look like a "play to win" scam to me.I know that all gambling games require money to be 'invested',but the NFT games,which I know are mostly about buying some weird "asset" and waiting for that "asset" to pay you income or dividends in the form of a token.You could upgrade that asset by spending more crypto.There's no luck or skill here.It looks more like a cloud mining scam or a ponzi scheme to me.
Anyway,I don't know about what kind of game can beat poker in terms of balance between skill and luck.
The guy how creates such game would be considered a genius and will become a millionaire.

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