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Quote from: 3meek on August 30, 2021, 01:10:07 PM

Poker is known the world over... Poker is a time-honoured classic! There are also some games like bridge or preference (popular in Russia), but I don't think it will become as popular as poker! It's like replacing formula 1 with cockroach racing! Grin

Too much advertising and sponsors are implemented in this game...

But in general PvP can be played at anything, dice for example! Wink

Laughing on that Cockroach comparison to f1 racing Grin

Gambling will never be the same without Poker , this has been the most popular, most loved and one of the oldest gambling game created.

having alternative is normal because there are many card game that enjoyable but not the same as what poker can give.

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Quote from: molsewid on August 30, 2021, 10:00:41 AM

Quote from: Oasisman on August 30, 2021, 03:13:11 AM

I might go a little off but there is an NFT game that has a slightly similarity in Poker and it's a PVP game.
Axie Infinity has the luck-skill-techniques combination elements as it also plays with set of cards randomly distributed to both players. Though the game isn't a gambling like in the casino, but you're actually earning when you're winning.

Anyway, I don't find something similar game as exciting as poker in the casino. I played Chinese poker, though it's somehow enjoyable and exciting but Poker is much better than that.

I believe that playing this NFT game Axie infinity and winning in a PVP mode sometimes is based on luck because the cards that you're going to put is based on the kind of cards that the game would put on your deck which worst sometimes the game system gives you the most unwanted set of cards on your deck but of course a player could still make a good fight out of it if he really a well-skilled player. But the feeling of playing poker was far different from playing in an online game.

I have read a lot about that game, in fact I think that the most expert is because they know very well how to use the cards and apart from that they have very high skills. There are Teams that are very strong and according to the Victories they are assigned a number of Cups, and that makes them progress in the game.

I understand that the SLP is around 0.13USD-0.14USD and they say that it can continue to decrease, but according to the business model offered by the game, it allows that if more people enter to play the game it has more life, now it is entering eager for Argentina, it has been a total success in the Philippines and Venezuela.

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To be honest I don't really like pvp poker, because it's hard for me to control my emotions when there is a bluff at the table. Therefore, I personally don't really look for other alternatives regarding poker gambling or other pvp gambling, in contrast to a tournament that allows me to still accept it and be interesting to participate in. In addition, even though the house edge is something to consider, but for some casino gambling games I prefer to fight the house even though in the end I still lose but sometimes wins can still be obtained but yes, experience is needed here in order to control it well.

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Quote from: Fredomago on August 30, 2021, 08:01:31 AM

Quote from: ethereumhunter on August 30, 2021, 01:59:06 AM

If those companies can integrate their payment system using crypto, that can reach more gamblers, which will be a promotion from crypto for them. I am sure that a game like that will get attention from local gamblers who played traditional gambling games using fiat money to moves and try crypto to gamble. They can try to integrate with NFT as the NFT has now become a new trend. If one company succeeds in adding NFT into traditional gambling games, the other company will do the same, which means the traditional gambling game can go worldwide.

I agree with that, if those facilitators will learn deeper into crypto industry, it will be easier to integrate the system and more crypto gamblers will able to play the game. A good alternative for poker if you want to kill some time and if you think that poker can be solved by algorithm, though I doubt since poker is a game of skills and strategy.

maybe I'm wrong about my understanding but that's how I see this game, even pro can't say that they will keep winning the game.

No, you are right and I agree with you. The online casino base fiat money or crypto can also integrate the payment system and test it for some gamblers before they officially launch. Maybe a casino with local people can develop a traditional card and transform it into an online card game and add it into their casino. At the same time, they can spread the news by giving a link for their members to test that traditional game.

Playing poker or other card games is very difficult as they need to have skills and strategy, as you mention. The pro can not always win but the newbie can get their win occasionally.

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Probability does not equate to a solution but it does give an advantage to know the bias possible, I dont think this alters the game of Poker especially vs things like Chess where there is a definite path to checkmate over other solutions. In that way it might be a greater advantage then using a poker odds computer, after some people can already do this kind of reckoning in their heads and have done for centuries probably.
Using a chess computer to win online I'm told is detectable and they will pick you up and ban you from games if you are found to have just copied computer directions. I dont know how exactly but I presume its for the same reasons, that the path you took to win was robot like.

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Quote from: paxmao on August 29, 2021, 05:46:28 PM

Poker is a game in which math is heavily involved in weighting odds and understanding the risks and rewards on a certain situation, particularly Texas Hold'em has been studied over and over and many of the great players are also kind of chess masters in terms of ability. However, the OP saying that poker has been "solved by algorithms" does not make any sense. An algorithm can estimate odds probably better than any person, but estimating odds is not enough to win systematically.

Correct, checkers has been completely solved and computers will never lose against a human player, chess is in the process of being solved as well and now computer opponents are incredibly strong compared to their human counterparts, however when it comes to poker it is not close to being solved due to its uncertain nature and the fact that humans rely also on the ability to read their opponents, something that cannot be done by computers at the time, so while computers can play poker in a competent way they are not close yet to the level of humans.

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Quote from: BTCLiz on April 11, 2021, 04:52:06 AM

Hey guys,

what do yout think about a new game, which involves both luck and skill like poker? Is there already such an alternative on the market? The problem with poker is that it is already solved by algorithms. Sure, there are still some players, but not as much as in the old glory times...

Edit: I'm just regarding games that you can play PvP and not against a house-edge-casino.. Wink

Solved by algo? I don't see any issues with that because it's just a matter of probability and percentages, not the specific outcome. Actually, you can do the same with the algorithm by using your own brain and memorizing all of the probabilities in poker, and it's not that difficult to comprehend the probability, and sometimes all you need is common sense to figure out what the probable outcomes of any round are. If you want to be the best at poker, probabilities are merely basic things for you. I always assumed that poker players studied probabilities in order to boost their chances of winning, but it appears that I was wrong all along. Grin

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Poker is known the world over... Poker is a time-honoured classic! There are also some games like bridge or preference (popular in Russia), but I don't think it will become as popular as poker! It's like replacing formula 1 with cockroach racing! Grin

Too much advertising and sponsors are implemented in this game...

But in general PvP can be played at anything, dice for example! Wink

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Quote from: Oasisman on August 30, 2021, 03:13:11 AM

I might go a little off but there is an NFT game that has a slightly similarity in Poker and it's a PVP game.
Axie Infinity has the luck-skill-techniques combination elements as it also plays with set of cards randomly distributed to both players. Though the game isn't a gambling like in the casino, but you're actually earning when you're winning.

Anyway, I don't find something similar game as exciting as poker in the casino. I played Chinese poker, though it's somehow enjoyable and exciting but Poker is much better than that.

I believe that playing this NFT game Axie infinity and winning in a PVP mode sometimes is based on luck because the cards that you're going to put is based on the kind of cards that the game would put on your deck which worst sometimes the game system gives you the most unwanted set of cards on your deck but of course a player could still make a good fight out of it if he really a well-skilled player. But the feeling of playing poker was far different from playing in an online game.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on August 30, 2021, 01:59:06 AM

Quote from: Beparanf on August 29, 2021, 11:53:51 PM

Quote from: molsewid on August 29, 2021, 08:14:46 AM

Quote from: michellee on August 29, 2021, 03:26:25 AM

Although Axie Infinity is one of the top-earning NFT, I do not know how to play and I think the price now is too high to buy for playing the game. I prefer to trade it and make money from trading instead of from the game.

But we know that the Axie is not the same as poker but that game can be the one game that can earn money. Poker is not easy to play as we imagine as we need to know the rule. But with learning from many sources, maybe people do not have to spend a long time to know how to play poker. I only know traditional Remi, as iv4n said.

But honestly this Axie game was not related to poker but yeah through this game people can earn a profit out of their investment. And as far as i know there's no alternative to poker and gambling related activities was a luck and skill related.

There's some card game that can play alternatively to poker like Tong-its, Pusoy, Mahjong and many more. Currently not available on casino but its already available on mobile games that has play money currency but soon this might be offered on casino due to increasing demand of PVP games because of many PVP NFT game that already existing. Casino are now adapting decentralization so I believe adding more PVP gambling gambling games will be possible in the future.

If those companies can integrate their payment system using crypto, that can reach more gamblers, which will be a promotion from crypto for them. I am sure that a game like that will get attention from local gamblers who played traditional gambling games using fiat money to moves and try crypto to gamble. They can try to integrate with NFT as the NFT has now become a new trend. If one company succeeds in adding NFT into traditional gambling games, the other company will do the same, which means the traditional gambling game can go worldwide.

I agree with that, if those facilitators will learn deeper into crypto industry, it will be easier to integrate the system and more crypto gamblers will able to play the game. A good alternative for poker if you want to kill some time and if you think that poker can be solved by algorithm, though I doubt since poker is a game of skills and strategy.

maybe I'm wrong about my understanding but that's how I see this game, even pro can't say that they will keep winning the game.

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Quote from: BTCLiz on April 11, 2021, 04:52:06 AM

Edit: I'm just regarding games that you can play PvP and not against a house-edge-casino.. Wink

I think its not much game that offerd pvp system . what i think is game like dice pvp ? Hi low PVP and some NFT gambling that has a PVP feature. for cards games it seems that there are several casinos that offer pvp blackjack and pvp video poker.

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Quote from: BTCLiz on April 11, 2021, 04:52:06 AM

Hey guys,

what do yout think about a new game, which involves both luck and skill like poker? Is there already such an alternative on the market? The problem with poker is that it is already solved by algorithms. Sure, there are still some players, but not as much as in the old glory times...

Edit: I'm just regarding games that you can play PvP and not against a house-edge-casino.. Wink

I might go a little off but there is an NFT game that has a slightly similarity in Poker and it's a PVP game.
Axie Infinity has the luck-skill-techniques combination elements as it also plays with set of cards randomly distributed to both players. Though the game isn't a gambling like in the casino, but you're actually earning when you're winning.

Anyway, I don't find something similar game as exciting as poker in the casino. I played Chinese poker, though it's somehow enjoyable and exciting but Poker is much better than that.

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Quote from: Beparanf on August 29, 2021, 11:53:51 PM

Quote from: molsewid on August 29, 2021, 08:14:46 AM

Quote from: michellee on August 29, 2021, 03:26:25 AM

Although Axie Infinity is one of the top-earning NFT, I do not know how to play and I think the price now is too high to buy for playing the game. I prefer to trade it and make money from trading instead of from the game.

But we know that the Axie is not the same as poker but that game can be the one game that can earn money. Poker is not easy to play as we imagine as we need to know the rule. But with learning from many sources, maybe people do not have to spend a long time to know how to play poker. I only know traditional Remi, as iv4n said.

But honestly this Axie game was not related to poker but yeah through this game people can earn a profit out of their investment. And as far as i know there's no alternative to poker and gambling related activities was a luck and skill related.

There's some card game that can play alternatively to poker like Tong-its, Pusoy, Mahjong and many more. Currently not available on casino but its already available on mobile games that has play money currency but soon this might be offered on casino due to increasing demand of PVP games because of many PVP NFT game that already existing. Casino are now adapting decentralization so I believe adding more PVP gambling gambling games will be possible in the future.

If those companies can integrate their payment system using crypto, that can reach more gamblers, which will be a promotion from crypto for them. I am sure that a game like that will get attention from local gamblers who played traditional gambling games using fiat money to moves and try crypto to gamble. They can try to integrate with NFT as the NFT has now become a new trend. If one company succeeds in adding NFT into traditional gambling games, the other company will do the same, which means the traditional gambling game can go worldwide.

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Even if poker's solved easily by algorithms, it doesn't mean that it's easy, it's not like every player is a Rain Man that can easily count the cards and the numbers. So I think it's still as good as it is because it's as hard as it is to mentally compute what's happening in the table and you also have to go mind the bluffing and betting pressures.

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Quote from: molsewid on August 29, 2021, 08:14:46 AM

Quote from: michellee on August 29, 2021, 03:26:25 AM

Although Axie Infinity is one of the top-earning NFT, I do not know how to play and I think the price now is too high to buy for playing the game. I prefer to trade it and make money from trading instead of from the game.

But we know that the Axie is not the same as poker but that game can be the one game that can earn money. Poker is not easy to play as we imagine as we need to know the rule. But with learning from many sources, maybe people do not have to spend a long time to know how to play poker. I only know traditional Remi, as iv4n said.

But honestly this Axie game was not related to poker but yeah through this game people can earn a profit out of their investment. And as far as i know there's no alternative to poker and gambling related activities was a luck and skill related.

There's some card game that can play alternatively to poker like Tong-its, Pusoy, Mahjong and many more. Currently not available on casino but its already available on mobile games that has play money currency but soon this might be offered on casino due to increasing demand of PVP games because of many PVP NFT game that already existing. Casino are now adapting decentralization so I believe adding more PVP gambling gambling games will be possible in the future.

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Poker is a game in which math is heavily involved in weighting odds and understanding the risks and rewards on a certain situation, particularly Texas Hold'em has been studied over and over and many of the great players are also kind of chess masters in terms of ability. However, the OP saying that poker has been "solved by algorithms" does not make any sense. An algorithm can estimate odds probably better than any person, but estimating odds is not enough to win systematically.

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Quote from: boyptc on August 28, 2021, 03:18:36 PM

Quote from: iv4n on August 28, 2021, 07:44:50 AM

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You're right that it's requiring an investment for you to own an Axie, you have to purchase three of them and every Axie is sold or can be bought individually.

There's a rumor that there will be a free to play feature of it but you won't be able to earn anything. It's just a feature to make you experience how to play it.

Thanks for sharing the right info! I just google the price of Axie, take a look at this:

Quote from: just_Alice on August 28, 2021, 03:35:04 PM

Quote from: iv4n on August 28, 2021, 07:44:50 AM

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I'd say that bridge is more luck-based as compared to poker. For long it's been considered that poker is about 50-60% skill, but recently I've seen this number going up as high as 80% in discussions, some even say that in the long run, it's a pure skill.

Bridge, on the contrary, largely depends on the cards you get during the game, what I've found playing bridge P2P is that, at some point, after me and the other player getting to know all the rules and tricks, acquiring some necessary skills we win approximately 50/50, and it all depends on cards.

Yes, in all the card games I mentioned it's very important what kind of cards you are holding in your hands! We are talking about poker alternatives, and in these games (including poker) you need to have some skills, you need to know some tricks, how to play with good and bad cards if you wish to win!

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Quote from: michellee on August 29, 2021, 03:26:25 AM

Although Axie Infinity is one of the top-earning NFT, I do not know how to play and I think the price now is too high to buy for playing the game. I prefer to trade it and make money from trading instead of from the game.

But we know that the Axie is not the same as poker but that game can be the one game that can earn money. Poker is not easy to play as we imagine as we need to know the rule. But with learning from many sources, maybe people do not have to spend a long time to know how to play poker. I only know traditional Remi, as iv4n said.

Today buying your own team in Axie Infinity is expensive and I remember the first time I saw the price of axie's which is only a 2 months earlier the floor price was around $150-$200 now the price is doubled. But honestly this Axie game was not related to poker but yeah through this game people can earn a profit out of their investment. And as far as i know there's no alternative to poker and gambling related activities was a luck and skill related.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on August 28, 2021, 07:30:19 AM

Quote from: BTCLiz on August 14, 2021, 09:40:03 AM

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Axie Infinity is worth a try? Recently I heard a lot about them and the game logic itself looks quite solid. But nevertheless: I'm always afraid of bots.

Axie today is one of the top-earning NFT and there are a lot of people already earned with this game if you don't want to make an investment I don't think so you will earn here unless you will be come to a scholar and find a manager.

Although Axie Infinity is one of the top-earning NFT, I do not know how to play and I think the price now is too high to buy for playing the game. I prefer to trade it and make money from trading instead of from the game.

But we know that the Axie is not the same as poker but that game can be the one game that can earn money. Poker is not easy to play as we imagine as we need to know the rule. But with learning from many sources, maybe people do not have to spend a long time to know how to play poker. I only know traditional Remi, as iv4n said.

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