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Quote from: zanezane on May 07, 2021, 04:07:44 AM

Maybe you can try Chinese Poker, Tong its or Indian Poker, they all need players and they require some luck and skill. Indian Poker is especially skill based because there is only have two cards and you don't know your other card so it basically is a mind games.

I have heard of Tong its and though I have not tried it. It is a part of some gambling cultures in some provinces of the Philippines if not all. So it should be a surprise that I was not able to learn this when I was a kid or teen and I learned other card games like poker. Do you know if there may be some apps you can recommend or something that can help me learn the basics. I do know the game "pusoy" so it seems I should be able to learn or know playing it but no.

Well, have you heard of Tong-its? It is a Filipino card game that is somehow related to poker. But on this one, the server is not needed. In a standard game, there will be three players that can participate. Every turn, you had to show a card and the next player has to connect that card to his/her cards.
The principles of the game are easy to follow, you will know that strategy is still needed.
Here is a link to it, you may try to play it. Unfortunately, --we don’t have a cryptocurrency-based Tong-its yet. But it would be a good idea to be included within a casino/gambling platform.

^{[ https://apps.apple.com/ph/app/tongits-go/id1443568670 ]}

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Quote from: Hydrogen on April 11, 2021, 06:35:27 PM

There is always blockchain based splinterlands and alien worlds.

https://splinterlands.com/
https://alienworlds.io/

Splinterlands is a PvP browser based card game similar to pokemon, yugioh or magic the gathering. Their site hosts tournaments where money and prizes can be won(like poker). Cards double as NFTs thanks to their limited production being certified and validated by blockchain. There are also a few different exchanges/markets where cards can be bought or sold. Which opens up very small (ARB) arbitrage opportunities for those interested in trading. The same card might sell at $0.05 in one market and $0.06 in another. Which could make it possible to buy a card at $0.05. Move it to the other market and sell for $0.06 to make a small profit.

Lol, this is just ordinary games with some kind of monetization. This is not even close to such strong (in terms of how luck and strategy fused in it) game as poker. As i said before, only card games with a long history, like Go or Bridge can be an alternative in some kind. Poker has existed for 200 years. And such games will be forgotten tomorrow. Pitty.

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Quote from: molsewid on May 07, 2021, 03:25:30 PM

Quote from: zanezane on May 07, 2021, 04:07:44 AM

Maybe you can try Chinese Poker, Tong its or Indian Poker, they all need players and they require some luck and skill. Indian Poker is especially skill based because there is only have two cards and you don't know your other card so it basically is a mind games.

I think there's a lot of card games that can be alternative to poker. I'm not familiar to Chinese or Indian Poker, but I'm very much familiar with Tong Its and I can say I'm kinda excellent gamer of it. My technique in Tong Its is I observed my opponents cards. You just need to focus on game and memorize what he/she already put down cards and what do you think he/she still holding or left cards. By this you can predict what's their next card and you will have a big chance winning over them. And second and my final tip that I can give is always put down first the cards with big numbers.

Heard off about Tong its and this just some local game and i dont know on whats the name called in other places or just be good on that particular country or local.
So it cant really be played for everyone but im bit aware with this game.When it comes to card games then there are indeed lots are existing and if you do find
out for another variety or type of game then you can choose what you want.I dont have much idea on what he particularly talks about another alternative to
poker as if each games is unique on their own or does have specific rules.

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I don't think there may be an alternative to poker but you can try Indian Rummy which involves your skills as well as luck where you need to play yourself and make the other end lose. But it's like a PvP game and doesn't need a dealer (or maybe you can call the other person a dealer if he shuffles and splits up the cards.

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Quote from: zanezane on May 07, 2021, 04:07:44 AM

Maybe you can try Chinese Poker, Tong its or Indian Poker, they all need players and they require some luck and skill. Indian Poker is especially skill based because there is only have two cards and you don't know your other card so it basically is a mind games.

I think there's a lot of card games that can be alternative to poker. I'm not familiar to Chinese or Indian Poker, but I'm very much familiar with Tong Its and I can say I'm kinda excellent gamer of it. My technique in Tong Its is I observed my opponents cards. You just need to focus on game and memorize what he/she already put down cards and what do you think he/she still holding or left cards. By this you can predict what's their next card and you will have a big chance winning over them. And second and my final tip that I can give is always put down first the cards with big numbers.

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Quote from: BTCLiz on April 11, 2021, 05:52:06 AM

Hey guys,

what do yout think about a new game, which involves both luck and skill like poker? Is there already such an alternative on the market? The problem with poker is that it is already solved by algorithms. Sure, there are still some players, but not as much as in the old glory times...

Edit: I'm just regarding games that you can play PvP and not against a house-edge-casino.. Wink

In this Gambling industry we always have alternative to one game based on your taste and preferences.Like there are casino offering thousand of games on single platform but most of them are house edge based and PvP games option is limited and poker is one of the best choice for many.It is purely based on your strategies as bad cards could also be turn into a winning move with your skills.Some games like Blackjack are partial luck based and partial based on your skills.Just look for other games if anything bothers you because now gambling industry has grown vast and we have different options for each and every game.

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Quote from: acroman08 on April 11, 2021, 08:07:16 PM

not a new game but here in the Philippines we have a game called tong its(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tong-its ) and it is a PVP game. in my opinion and experience playing this game require strategy, skill on how to read your enemy and their cards, and how to efficiently discard cards that you don't need but one wrong move can cause you to lose the game.

Yes, tong-its would work well for a player who has both skills and luck. This game, just like poker, also needs a smart strategy. Lots of gamblers in our country are used to playing it, especially during our free time. It's entertaining and fun at the same time. It needs focus and a bit of mind-reading.

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I have heard of Tong its and though I have not tried it. It is a part of some gambling cultures in some provinces of the Philippines if not all. So it should be a surprise that I was not able to learn this when I was a kid or teen and I learned other card games like poker. Do you know if there may be some apps you can recommend or something that can help me learn the basics. I do know the game "pusoy" so it seems I should be able to learn or know playing it but no.

Just search the word Tong Its on your Appstore, there are a lot of them in it. I think Chinese Poker is called Pusoy Dos in the Philippines. The first thing that I learned is Poker instead of Tong Its and then Chinese Poker/Pusoy Dos.

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Quote from: zanezane on May 07, 2021, 04:07:44 AM

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I heard that short deck poker is the biggest new trend of poker variant in Asia. It is quite similar to usual no limit holdem but the strategies are different. In Western casino not many people play it. It is probably just a matter of time until it comes to all casinos around the world. If we start to get familiar with such new variants directly at the start of the hype we should be able to get an edge on other players and make decent profit.

It's not familiar to Westerners in my opinion that's why you can't see them played, plus Asians have a far more variety of games compared to West and it's not like everything is adaptable.

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Quote from: zanezane on May 07, 2021, 04:07:44 AM

Maybe you can try Chinese Poker, Tong its or Indian Poker, they all need players and they require some luck and skill. Indian Poker is especially skill based because there is only have two cards and you don't know your other card so it basically is a mind games.

I heard that short deck poker is the biggest new trend of poker variant in Asia. It is quite similar to usual no limit holdem but the strategies are different. In Western casino not many people play it. It is probably just a matter of time until it comes to all casinos around the world. If we start to get familiar with such new variants directly at the start of the hype we should be able to get an edge on other players and make decent profit.

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Quote from: chaser15 on April 15, 2021, 12:56:30 PM

Quote from: BTCLiz on April 15, 2021, 12:35:07 PM

I am talking about some kind of new game, which needs to be more complex then poker. From a game theory of view HU in poker is already completely solved.

Then maybe all available card games around are not suited to your needs.

Maybe wait for a certain gambling site to offer another variant of a new poker game or something that is more complex and will heavily rely on skills. Heard of Chine Poker? Is that a card game that closes to what you are looking for?

Chinese Poker is very popular in my place and we called it "PUSOY", this is both a game that requires skills and decisions and of course along with luck. If OP is not looking for another card games, then Chinese poker might not be the option as well. Poker is one of the best gambling games that I've play, I don't know why you're looking for alternative and maybe you can try to play Mahjhong?

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Quote from: zanezane on May 07, 2021, 04:07:44 AM

Maybe you can try Chinese Poker, Tong its or Indian Poker, they all need players and they require some luck and skill.

do you have a hint on how chinese poker is played and was it simillar to the original poker ? . tong its is an old card game but its recreated for online plays and gain lots of attention lately . op should try this game

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Indian Poker is especially skill based because there is only have two cards and you don't know your other card so it basically is a mind games.

one card is open while the other card is closed and you need to predict if you will get a higher or a lower number in total ? is that how it works but it looks like its luck based not skill .

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Quote from: zanezane on May 07, 2021, 04:07:44 AM

Maybe you can try Chinese Poker, Tong its or Indian Poker, they all need players and they require some luck and skill. Indian Poker is especially skill based because there is only have two cards and you don't know your other card so it basically is a mind games.

I have heard of Tong its and though I have not tried it. It is a part of some gambling cultures in some provinces of the Philippines if not all. So it should be a surprise that I was not able to learn this when I was a kid or teen and I learned other card games like poker. Do you know if there may be some apps you can recommend or something that can help me learn the basics. I do know the game "pusoy" so it seems I should be able to learn or know playing it but no.

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Maybe you can try Chinese Poker, Tong its or Indian Poker, they all need players and they require some luck and skill. Indian Poker is especially skill based because there is only have two cards and you don't know your other card so it basically is a mind games.

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Quote from: BTCLiz on April 11, 2021, 05:52:06 AM

I'm just regarding games that you can play PvP and not against a house-edge-casino.. Wink

This would be great but depending on what kind of game it would be and if it would also be fun to play.
I think it is a great idea to have those pvp gambling type nowadays because most of our crypto gambling is focus on house edge casino so it might be a good one to have something fun to play against another player.

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If I have to be honest, I really do not see any other card game or any game for that matter, that would serve as an alternative to poker. I will not try to find an alternative nor not play it anymore, because I am greatly entertained by the game and I was able to enjoy playing poker, whether real or play money is in the pot. Sure, there are many card games available that you can consider but not really as challenging and as elegant as poker. For me poker is the ultimate card game there is.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on April 11, 2021, 06:35:27 PM

There is always blockchain based splinterlands and alien worlds.

https://splinterlands.com/
https://alienworlds.io/

Splinterlands is a PvP browser based card game similar to pokemon, yugioh or magic the gathering. Their site hosts tournaments where money and prizes can be won(like poker). Cards double as NFTs thanks to their limited production being certified and validated by blockchain. There are also a few different exchanges/markets where cards can be bought or sold. Which opens up very small (ARB) arbitrage opportunities for those interested in trading. The same card might sell at $0.05 in one market and $0.06 in another. Which could make it possible to buy a card at $0.05. Move it to the other market and sell for $0.06 to make a small profit.

I didn't expect much but splinterlands is actually a very good game IMO.

Alien worlds I have no experience with. But plan to try later when I can.

I didn't know that these games exist until you dropped it here. Can I ask how was your experience with splinterlands? Is it entertaining to play? How was the winning rate? I'm curious to try it too. I just want to read some feedbacks before diving into it to avoid expecting more.

Poker is a nice game to play according to my friends who have tried it already. Personally, I don't play that much. But at some point, I also want to try playing games that can keep me company especially now that I'm stuck at home due to pandemic. Boredom is one of the greatest enemies I have. It leads me to becoming unproductive and it makes me feel numb sometimes. It's great that there are many other alternatives to choose from. Thanks for your game suggestion.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on April 11, 2021, 06:35:27 PM

Alien worlds I have no experience with. But plan to try later when I can.

I have encountered this one and even tried it. Very far from an alternative to poker. Alien Worlds can hardly even be called a game of cards, hell, even a game. There is no interaction with other players whatsoever. But the game is still under development. More updates are still in store to be released in the near future. Alien Worlds is more of a unique way to mine its token (TLM) and some NFTs of different rarities, at least at its current stage.

There are a handful of rising digital card games which are more focused on NFT. None of which, personally, could replace the likes of Texas hold 'em poker, blackjack, Chinese poker, and other traditional card games.

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Quote from: BTCLiz on May 06, 2021, 04:11:11 PM

In the last week I was thinking about an interesting variant of chess. Imagine a chess board where you cant see some figures of your opponent, e.g. the first and the last row. Here the figures are mixed, so you dont know where the queen is. People would definitely play this game for money, right? Skill is involved but also a decent amount of luck.

Dont know if there's someone would be interested on that one on where you do presume out things and try to keep guessing on where the queen is or even the king.

Sounds unique but i doubt about the interest of the community.When it comes to pvp games then most likely talks about card games which we can see in the market as of today.

Better stick out on gambling sites which had been trusted because even on a simple coin flip game could really be rigged out.

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In the last week I was thinking about an interesting variant of chess. Imagine a chess board where you cant see some figures of your opponent, e.g. the first and the last row. Here the figures are mixed, so you dont know where the queen is. People would definitely play this game for money, right? Skill is involved but also a decent amount of luck.

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Quote from: just_Alice on April 17, 2021, 08:05:22 AM

For me, there's nothing better than Poker if we're talking about skills games, but there are other options. There's also blackjack and, I'm quite surprised no one mentioned Spades, it also includes a lot of strategic thinking, no less than Poker, perhaps. And, of course, there's Yahtzee. While it includes dice, which brings an element of luck to the game - a strategy should also be applied and you need to make a lot of decisions, evaluate your risks, which is why to play this game it's better to understand probabilities first.

I love Yahtzee but a computer can show you what all the best decisions are so it's not a game you could securely play for money. The OP is looking for PVP games that aren't solved by computers and can be +EV for players. Not easy criteria to fulfill.

I think Rock Paper Scissors is the purest and best PVP game but it's hard to call it a skill game since you can just let an RNG decide the throws to neutralize any advantage that might exist between the two players.

Yeah, but from that point of view Poker also isn't the best choice, because computers can calculate the best decisions in poker as well. But I see now, that's what OP was stating in the first place. IMO these calculators mean nothing because in games like Poker and Yahtzee the calculated best decision isn't always the right one. I remember my experience in playing Poker with bots, which were programmed for these very best decisions and they suck.

Any skilled player can outplay these calculators because it's not only about playing with the best odds, sometimes it's about knowing when to take the risk, which is also a skill.

I'm starting to think that what OP asked for is actually impossible because for any games that require skills the best option can be calculated (in one way or another), and the only games that can't be solved like this are those, which depend purely on luck Undecided

Bots have improved a lot during that last years. This is a great issue and I am very sure that in a couple of years poker will be mainly a game where bots fight against other highly-complex bots. In this case also owners of bots have a higher advantage with better computation power.

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