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Kinda feels like spamming your watch list, doesn't it?

So it is now about spamming watch lists. Okay then, but I'm more interested in what you are still doing here, in this very thread. Haven't you already spent more time on this subject than it deserves?

When I said that it was in reference to your request that I dig through 21K of your posts to pick out ones I thought are spam.  Again, I admit you're not the typical shitposter so it does sound like daunting task, one I do not care to spend any time doing.  However, prior to that I had given you some sane advice which you made very clear was not welcome.  So, no I won't be spending any more time trying to help you, but watching you implode under the weight of your own ego does lend some entertainment value to this thread. 
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You don't get it. Such things are destroying the trust system. Not that I'm quite happy with it at all (I made my point pretty clear about it long ago) but it was basically none of my business. Now it is

Funny how everyone stands on the sideline until it is their own ass isn't it?
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It usually works in reverse, that's why. Lucius is not in dt from what I can see, thus I see no issue here.
I don't really see what anyone can do in this situation to change the result.

I don't think Lucius deserves a negative. An exclusion at most, but they aren't in the DT system and will be largely unaffected by it.
I don't hunt down the scores of users that hound me with negative feedback. It's a waste of time. (Most of them being retaliatory, anyway)
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There's just one thing that I find worth mentioning. Lucius said that deisik should have sent a PM to resolve the matter before starting this thread and got angry at deisik for trying to get dt on his side instead of talking to him. Why didn't Lucius PM deisik about his annoying bumping before painting him red?
It usually works in reverse, that's why. Lucius is not in dt from what I can see, thus I see no issue here.
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Why didn't Lucius PM deisik about his annoying bumping before painting him red?

This is not about annoying bumping

It is a minor issue and I'm not sure at all if it is actually as annoying as reported. But you make a totally legit point which I'm trying to convey in this topic myself. People are asking me to contact the offender and now even the offender himself seems to be asking exactly that but man this is preposterous if you ask me

It is not me who started this controversy to begin with and if someone screwed up here, it is his fault, not mine, and it is his unconditional duty and obligation to fix things and redeem himself. Really, why should I care about someone who didn't care about me at all in the fist place and whose intention was clearly to hurt me?
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There's just one thing that I find worth mentioning. Lucius said that deisik should have sent a PM to resolve the matter before starting this thread and got angry at deisik for trying to get dt on his side instead of talking to him. Why didn't Lucius PM deisik about his annoying bumping before painting him red?

I don't know why this thread is being escalated so much if you are able to resolve it for mutual benefit. Maybe deisik will learn to use the edit button and the trust will get changed to neutral or deleted? Just an idea you'll do as you please Wink
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Its about thread bumping which i doubt was here the intention.
The edit function of posts allows one to add new content to it, as desired.

I assume, from the context, that the post thereof was also the most recent one. There should be no reason to delete and repost instead of editing.

In any case where someone has responded afterward, one can subsequently insert details into their following reply.
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I'm not sure which specific part of the rules it is against
Bumping:
13. Bumps, "updates" are limited to once per 24 hours.[2]

Well, that was not intended as bumping

But it did bump. So stop doing that.

Is deleting/reposting allowed?

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If they're doing that in a way that is substantially annoying, or in order to bypass rules such as the bump limit, then it's not allowed.



Its about thread bumping which i doubt was here the intention.
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I'm asking what posts have been recently deleted by me irrespective of when exactly they were contributed (i.e. a month or a year ago).
Sorry, I misread it. Users can't know this, unless they've scraped your post history already.
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I'm not sure which specific part of the rules it is against
Bumping:
13. Bumps, "updates" are limited to once per 24 hours.[2]

Well, that was not intended as bumping

But it did bump. So stop doing that.

Is deleting/reposting allowed?

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If they're doing that in a way that is substantially annoying, or in order to bypass rules such as the bump limit, then it's not allowed.
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I agree it is possible to make even 1000 posts per week, but is it normal to do that? OP is obviously changing his posting habits in relation to how much is possible to earn in signature campaign. Some will call such users "paid poster" and nothing else, other have other opinion

That's none of your business

can you please check your records and see what posts in my post history have been deleted by me, say, within the last few days (other than in this thread)? If you have such information, I ask you to reveal it here.
I can't see who deleted a file, it can be you, a Mod, or the creator of a self-moderated thread

It's not what I'm asking

Basically, I'm asking what posts have been recently deleted by me irrespective of when exactly they were contributed (i.e. a month or a year ago). If it is possible to compile such a list, then it will be clear whether or not I recently deleted any posts from my post history (as some people here claim) and which posts specifically have been deleted (i.e. what has been deleted). Ironically, during my 8 week journey in the stake.com signature campaign only 1 (one) post has been actually deleted by a mod (despite a multitude of reports mods had seemingly received during that period):

Unfortunately i've never used BTC-e so I have never frequented their trollbox

As it turned out, you were quite lucky that you never used BTC-e and their trollbox

I traded at Polo for some time (before they started to require that all users should provide verification docs) and their trollbox was excruciatingly annoying. But the most annoying thing was that you couldn't get rid of it if I remember correctly. Since I often used this exchange on a low-end computer (having a few other exchanges open in the browser tabs), it was nearly impossible to use Poloniex with all their fancy but mostly useless bells and whistles

Indeed, I disagree with its deletion but I agree that it was somewhat off-topic in that thread. It also shows how hard it was for me to post in that board (even though it was only 15 posts weekly)
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can you please check your records and see what posts in my post history have been deleted by me, say, within the last few days (other than in this thread)? If you have such information, I ask you to reveal it here.
I can't see who deleted a file, it can be you, a Mod, or the creator of a self-moderated thread.
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I didn't check which posts are deleted.
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I agree that retaliatory feedback is not the right thing to do, which I stated in the OP myself. But as I was asking DT members to give negative rating to the offender, it started to look like I had been trying to hide behind their backs which is not a good thing, obviously. And I gave that dude a neutral rating anyway, so it is not strictly a retaliatory feedback, though they definitely deserve red paint on their chest, at least until they accept being flat-out wrong in this case

You opened this thread with only one intention, to try red tag my account with help of DT member/s, which would be trust abuse by your own standards. Now you change your mind regarding that, but in same time you still think that I deserve red paint on their chest.

For example, let's look at how many times you asked publicly that other members abuse trust system for you :

As I consider it an obvious example of trust abuse, I ask DT members to tag this user appropriately.

That's why I'm asking a DT member to tag this user appropriately until he chooses to remove his feedback..

Now I'm waiting for DT members' action (whatever that could be)

Okay, I decided to tag them with a neutral rating with a link to this thread/If anyone is with me on that, you can do something to that tune

Other members have recognized your intentions :

You want DT members to tag Lucius. Retaliatory ratings seem more like abuse than prevention of abuse.



As I said, I never considered deisik a shitposter.  He did crank out a huge number of posts in a short period of time, but as far as quality goes, I've seen much worse.  It is possible for someone to devote a tremendous amount of time to posting and in the process churn out 250 posts in a week and still manage to make most of them relatively decent.  I still don't think it's right to tag you for the amount of posts you made, but since it's  untrusted feedback, I would recommend just rolling with it and move on.  Retaliatory feedback is usually not justified, btw. Be the bigger person and maybe Lucius will cool down and reconsider.  If not, it's not the end of the world.

I agree it is possible to make even 1000 posts per week, but is it normal to do that? OP is obviously changing his posting habits in relation to how much is possible to earn in signature campaign. Some will call such users "paid poster" and nothing else, other have other opinion.

Your advice that he should be the bigger person then me means exactly what? If deisik show even 1% of interest to solve this with me, it would be solved, so far he is just using this thread to show me as bad person and abuser.

I'm always ready for every reasonable way of cooperation with any member, removing trust feedback is the smallest problem.

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I'm not sure which specific part of the rules it is against
Bumping:
13. Bumps, "updates" are limited to once per 24 hours.[2]

Well, that was not intended as bumping

As I was basically rearranging my post by adding new content (replies) to it (as I often do when I see it appropriate). And while we are at it, can you please check your records and see what posts in my post history have been deleted by me, say, within the last few days (other than in this thread)? If you have such information, I ask you to reveal it here. Take it as my official and unconditional agreement to release this information in public

As an aside, it is really pathetic when someone accuses you of using a "method" with which you allegedly boost your post count by not merging a few separated replies to different posts into a single one, and then someone else is not quite happy with you doing the exact opposite (i.e. merging your posts into one)
You should edit your existing post,  and add text there, instead of reposting it with an addition

Actually, I do something like that, but it doesn't look good or proper, especially when I merge my reply to a next post with my preceding reply (like here). Otherwise, you see me accused of boosting post count by using "a method"
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I'm not sure which specific part of the rules it is against
Bumping:
13. Bumps, "updates" are limited to once per 24 hours.[2]

As an aside, it is really pathetic when someone accuses you of using a "method" with which you allegedly boost your post count by not merging a few separated replies to different posts into a single one, and then someone else is not quite happy with you doing the exact opposite (i.e. merging your posts into one)
You should edit your existing post,  and add text there, instead of reposting it with an addition (example).
I sometimes bend the posting rules a bit though, especially for very long posts. I don't think the rules are meant to be strict limitations, they're meant to stop spammers. If you look at the post above the example I showed, you'll see I'm slightly bending the 24 hour rules by bumping a bit early, and turning my bump into a bigger post.
From my records, I can see you "bumped" this thread 3 times in 60 minutes:

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I did not negotiate the purchase of an account in 2014 as it hadn't been sold. I was negotiating but it ended with nothing:


Why did you omit that part? It was just a couple posts below. Anyway, someone bought this account later (like in 2016), though I'm not sure as I didn't follow it. But it wasn't me. As I said, I'm not involved in this kind of activities and back in the day it was more like entertainment because you could actually buy a Hero account and legitimately get away with it, which I specifically mentioned (you may want to translate that part for me)


Yes, I wrote about that particular case in other topics, and so what? Are you making an accusation of me buying and selling accounts in the forum? If this is the case, I think you should start a new thread

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I did not negotiate the purchase of an account in 2014 as it hadn't been sold. I was negotiating but it ended with nothing:


Why did you omit that part? It was just a couple posts below. Anyway, someone bought this account later (like in 2016), though I'm not sure as I didn't follow it. But it wasn't me. As I said, I'm not involved in this kind of activities and back in the day it was more like entertainment because you could actually buy a Hero account and legitimately get away with it, which I specifically mentioned (you may want to translate that part for me)


Yes, I wrote about that particular case in other topics, and so what? Are you making an accusation of me buying and selling accounts in the forum? If this is the case, I think you should start a new thread


I actually support this view (other than it being a hidden accusation, of course), and I'm happy that I didn't buy that account as it would now have turned into a toxic asset


The truth is I never bought an account here or sold one, in 2014 or any other year


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I did not negotiate the purchase of an account in 2014 as it hadn't been sold. I was negotiating but it ended with nothing:


Why did you omit that part? It was just a couple posts below. Anyway, someone bought this account later (like in 2016), though I'm not sure as I didn't follow it. But it wasn't me. As I said, I'm not involved in this kind of activities and back in the day it was more like entertainment because you could actually buy a Hero account and legitimately get away with it, which I specifically mentioned (you may want to translate that part for me)


The real problem is that I didn't buy any accounts in any place over here (to begin with)
 
And yes, I wrote about that particular case in other topics, and so what? If you are trying to build a case against me or discredit me somehow (which tells more about yourself than me, just in case), you may want to start a new thread, really. But you are welcome, anyway. It will be fun to watch as you fail miserably


I actually support this view (other than it being a foul accusation, of course), and I'm happy that I didn't buy that account (or any other account, for the record) as it would now have turned into a toxic asset, a liability


The truth is that I never bought (or sold) any accounts here, neither in 2014 nor in any other year, whether it was allowed or not
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But I find it amusing (to say the least) to actually see someone spending so much time and effort reading all that bullshit we were writing 5 years ago (release your inner Sherlock, huh).


Just have a look at their signature and you know why.These kind of posts are considered high quality thanks to some dumb DT members.Its basicly merit whoring and increase of post count.Nothing more
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Will you stop deleting and re-posting? It's against the rules and annoying AF

I'm not sure which specific part of the rules it is against

As an aside, it is really pathetic when someone accuses you of using a "method" with which you allegedly boost your post count by not merging a few separated replies to different posts into a single one, and then someone else is not quite happy with you doing the exact opposite (i.e. merging your posts into one)

Kinda feels like spamming your watch list, doesn't it?

So it is now about spamming watch lists. Okay then, but I'm more interested in what you are still doing here, in this very thread. Haven't you already spent more time on this subject than it deserves?

Damn!  I don't know why deisik is getting hazed so hard in this thread, but man is this harsh

That's okay really

It just reveals what people are up to as such accusations are telling not much about myself as about the ones making them. But I find it amusing (to say the least) to actually see someone spending so much time and effort reading all that bullshit we were writing 5 years ago (release your inner Sherlock, huh). The insane amount of posts we had been submitting could actually be considered spam by today's standards but even back in the day I was far from being the most malicious spammer on the block

Deisik, I wouldn't worry about the account sale attempt from 2014, as I don't think anyone is going to go back that far to tag someone for account buying or selling--nor do I think they should.  It was a different time back then, and the account dealing situation wasn't the massive problem that it would turn out to be

It may in fact turn out to be a good thing in the end as it will show real intentions of some people here, and I could always use this thread for future reference once these pathetic attempts of throwing mud at me fail, which they will

As I said, I never considered deisik a shitposter.  He did crank out a huge number of posts in a short period of time, but as far as quality goes, I've seen much worse.  It is possible for someone to devote a tremendous amount of time to posting and in the process churn out 250 posts in a week and still manage to make most of them relatively decent.  I still don't think it's right to tag you for the amount of posts you made, but since it's  untrusted feedback, I would recommend just rolling with it and move on

It's an interesting topic in itself as it shows how primitive (and low) people really are

As an age-old wisdom goes, it is a sin to think bad of people but it is rarely a mistake. For example, quite a few people think that if someone makes 200 posts weekly, he is necessarily a spammer. But I can make 200 posts daily without a lot of effort if I'm in my element and find a worthy "drinking buddy", so to speak. If you are experienced in something and love your thing, you can talk about it all day long and likely attract a lot of listening ears (that's why I was barely making the required 15 posts in the Gambling section as I'm not much of a gambler). Imagine Satoshi Nakamoto comes back online and starts answering questions here 24/7

And technically, in the last few years it was only on a few rare occasions that I actually made like 200 posts a week and never made more than 250. I can easily prove that but as the burden of proof is on the one who accuses, I expected them to come up first with at least some evidence proving the opposite. Instead, they came up with the idea of me deleting my posts. But the irony is that I can just as easily present proof that it is no more than yet another unsubstantiated accusation. For example, I still have access to my Coinroll account where there is a log of my activity in the forum on a daily basis. My activity in the Stake.com signature campaign is pretty well documented too

Retaliatory feedback is usually not justified, btw.  Be the bigger person and maybe Lucius will cool down and reconsider. If not, it's not the end of the world

I agree that retaliatory feedback is not the right thing to do, which I stated in the OP myself. But as I was asking DT members to give negative rating to the offender, it started to look like I had been trying to hide behind their backs which is not a good thing, obviously. And I gave that dude a neutral rating anyway, so it is not strictly a retaliatory feedback, though they definitely deserve red paint on their chest, at least until they accept being flat-out wrong in this case

As such behavior destroys the purpose of the trust system and thus cannot be ignored if it is to be taken seriously
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Damn!  I don't know why deisik is getting hazed so hard in this thread, but man is this harsh.

Deisik, I wouldn't worry about the account sale attempt from 2014, as I don't think anyone is going to go back that far to tag someone for account buying or selling--nor do I think they should.  It was a different time back then, and the account dealing situation wasn't the massive problem that it would turn out to be.

As I said, I never considered deisik a shitposter.  He did crank out a huge number of posts in a short period of time, but as far as quality goes, I've seen much worse.  It is possible for someone to devote a tremendous amount of time to posting and in the process churn out 250 posts in a week and still manage to make most of them relatively decent.  I still don't think it's right to tag you for the amount of posts you made, but since it's  untrusted feedback, I would recommend just rolling with it and move on.  Retaliatory feedback is usually not justified, btw.  Be the bigger person and maybe Lucius will cool down and reconsider.  If not, it's not the end of the world.
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Will you stop deleting and re-posting? It's against the rules and annoying AF.

Kinda feels like spamming your watch list, doesn't it?

Oops, did I use the word spam in relation to deisik?  Now I'm in for 4 pages of text-walls about how deisik isn't spammer.  Roll Eyes
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Will you stop deleting and re-posting? It's against the rules and annoying AF.
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