An obvious case of trust abuse (DT members welcome) - page 8.

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Quote from: deisik on February 28, 2019, 02:15:04 PM

It is a task for DT members as they can actually make people think twice before throwing false accusations. Otherwise this system is useless (if it can't defend the innocent). That's why I'm asking a DT member to tag this user appropriately until he chooses to remove his feedback (or comes to live with being tagged as a trust abuser), and that's why I'm refraining from retaliating personally. There should be a consensus of sorts (and a way to enforce it)

I know the feedback sounds insulting to you but people get pissed at each other on the intertubes all the time. I hope this can be sorted out without escalation, as nobody lost money or anything else of value in this dispute. I have PMed Lucius since you don't want to.

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Quote from: deisik on February 28, 2019, 02:15:04 PM

It is a task for DT members as they can actually make people think twice before throwing false accusations.

We cannot make anybody do anything.
We are limited by the workings of the trust system.

Quote from: deisik on February 28, 2019, 02:15:04 PM

That's why I'm asking a DT member to tag this user appropriately

That would be highly inappropriate and would most likely lead to that DT member being kicked off DT.

The only appropriate thing a DT member could do, would be to include Lucius in their trust list with a "~".
Which would basically render his feedback invisible.
There's no real need for this, though, because it is already invisible.

Also, the prudent thing for you to do is considered to be talking with Lucius.
I.e. "why did you leave negative feedback?".

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Quote from: Findingnemo on February 28, 2019, 02:07:09 PM

Quote from: deisik on February 28, 2019, 12:21:10 PM

Quote from: Findingnemo on February 28, 2019, 12:15:00 PM

Anyone can have the freedom to give feedback about anyone but it only get weigh when they are in DT position,so you need to contact that person personally to solve this case because no one can do anything here

This is a case of trust abuse which should be dealt with accordingly

Apart from that, there is nothing really to discuss with that dude as I expect people to be responsible for what they do and thus they should be ready to accept the consequences of their actions. In short, it is not me who should do anything here other than reporting this case

I think admin is the only person who can delete the feedback if it was inappropriate so you may need to contact admins via PM as well,so he will drop a comment here about his opinion on these kind of trust feedback.And we also can get a reference what is the possible solution when a user gave feedback like this

Admins can't and shouldn't interfere here

It is a task for DT members as they can actually make people think twice before throwing false accusations. Otherwise this system is useless (if it can't defend the innocent). That's why I'm asking a DT member to tag this user appropriately until he chooses to remove his feedback (or comes to live with being tagged as a trust abuser), and that's why I'm refraining from retaliating personally. There should be a consensus of sorts (and a way to enforce it)

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Quote from: deisik on February 28, 2019, 12:21:10 PM

Quote from: Findingnemo on February 28, 2019, 12:15:00 PM

Anyone can have the freedom to give feedback about anyone but it only get weigh when they are in DT position,so you need to contact that person personally to solve this case because no one can do anything here

This is a case of trust abuse which should be dealt with accordingly

Apart from that, there is nothing really to discuss with that dude as I expect people to be responsible for what they do and thus they should be ready to accept the consequences of their actions. In short, it is not me who should do anything here other than reporting this case

I think admin is the only person who can delete the feedback if it was inappropriate so you may need to contact admins via PM as well,so he will drop a comment here about his opinion on these kind of trust feedback.And we also can get a reference what is the possible solution when a user gave feedback like this.

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Quote from: The Cryptovator on February 28, 2019, 01:42:24 PM

I don't see any valid point to leave negative feedback. Although feedback is not visible by default but it's really not good practice especially risk amount. Since he isn't on DT so we don't need counter tag and we can't ask directly to remove his feedback. I believe he will remove feedback when you explain him and invite him to read this thread

You guys don't understand it

I didn't do anything which could even remotely justify the negative feedback. And now you ask me that I should explain something to somebody? So why should I really? The burden of proof lies with the person who is making the accusation, and I'm the one who is being accused here in case you didn't notice. And if this is left as it is, i.e. without being taken care of (whatever that "care" might come down to), it will be a source of future harm

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This is a wrong feedback, if he wants to leave feedback for spamming, in my opinion, should be with 0 BTC risked and neutral.

If he one day will be on DT network it will be red for default to all forum, I think is too much red tag for low-quality posting. Just report to mods and they handle it.

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I don't see any valid point to leave negative feedback. Although feedback is not visible by default but it's really not good practice especially risk amount. Since he isn't on DT so we don't need counter tag and we can't ask directly to remove his feedback. I believe he will remove feedback when you explain him and invite him to read this thread. Shit poster isn't belongs to trust system (IMO) and admin not much encourage to tag shit poster. Leave them for moderators. report to moderator is appropriate for shit poster.

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Quote from: qwk on February 28, 2019, 12:23:43 PM

Unfortunately, his reference doesn't really say anything about the validity of his negative feedback

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on February 28, 2019, 12:29:16 PM

Everyone should be handing out feedbacks with basically the same idea of what does and doesn't warrant a neg. Theymos pretty much established that leaving negs for shitposting isn't appropriate, and adding a ridiculous bitcoin amount to it only makes it worse--that could easily get a DT member booted if he/she did that

My post history is open for anyone to see with posts being as they were when submitted, apart from minor changes here and there, e.g. due to spelling errors or style corrections (as I do care about such things)

Quote from: suchmoon on February 28, 2019, 12:35:46 PM

Then Lucius can either revise the rating or let it stay and likely get excluded. That's how it's "dealt with accordingly" since there is no way to force anyone to change their rating

Okay then. It is mostly about making people responsible for their actions (and reactions)

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Quote from: deisik on February 28, 2019, 12:21:10 PM

Quote from: Findingnemo on February 28, 2019, 12:15:00 PM

Anyone can have the freedom to give feedback about anyone but it only get weigh when they are in DT position,so you need to contact that person personally to solve this case because no one can do anything here

This is a case of trust abuse which should be dealt with accordingly

Apart from that, there is nothing really to discuss with that dude as I expect people to be responsible for what they do and thus they should be ready to accept the consequences of their actions. In short, it is not me who should do anything here other than reporting this case

Quote from: suchmoon on February 28, 2019, 12:19:51 PM

I don't see what Lucius is implying there (multiple posts in a row), nor is that a matter appropriate for the trust system. And the 1000 BTC amount risked is obviously fake. Please PM Lucius and/or get them to visit this thread to discuss that rating. Unfortunately we can't force anyone to remove a rating but you don't need to worry too much about it since it doesn't affect your default score

You don't get it. Such things are destroying the trust system. Not that I'm quite happy with it at all (I made my point pretty clear about it long ago) but it was basically none of my business. Now it is

That's exactly how the trust system works, and yes, you should at least inform the user if you want to fix this.

Then Lucius can either revise the rating or let it stay and likely get excluded. That's how it's "dealt with accordingly" since there is no way to force anyone to change their rating.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on February 28, 2019, 12:29:16 PM

I would agree with you in so far as Lucius is currently not on DT, but with all the changes being made and all the new additions, you never know if he's going to be on DT at some point in the future.

Unlikely: http://loyce.club/trust/2019-02-25_Mon_21.39h/533583.html

But if the rating doesn't get revised I'll probably add a comment (neutral rating) just in case.

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Quote from: suchmoon on February 28, 2019, 12:19:51 PM

you don't need to worry too much about it since it doesn't affect your default score.

I would agree with you in so far as Lucius is currently not on DT, but with all the changes being made and all the new additions, you never know if he's going to be on DT at some point in the future. And I agree that it's not appropriate feedback, even if it's untrusted. Everyone should be handing out feedbacks with basically the same idea of what does and doesn't warrant a neg. Theymos pretty much established that leaving negs for shitposting isn't appropriate, and adding a ridiculous bitcoin amount to it only makes it worse--that could easily get a DT member booted if he/she did that.

Hopefully Lucius will drop in and comment, and even better would be if he at least changed it to a neutral and left the risked amount blank.

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Quote from: deisik on February 28, 2019, 12:04:36 PM

Now I see that this dude accused me of being a signature spammer and gave me a negative rating:
[...]
As I consider it an obvious example of trust abuse, I ask DT members to tag this user appropriately.

Unfortunately, his reference doesn't really say anything about the validity of his negative feedback.
I consider that (and his fake amount) "bad style", but nothing more.
His rating is irrelevant anyhow, because it's not visible under ";dt".

Quote from: deisik on February 28, 2019, 12:04:36 PM

I'm not going to retaliate personally

Wise decision, just ignore it.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on February 28, 2019, 12:15:00 PM

Anyone can have the freedom to give feedback about anyone but it only get weigh when they are in DT position,so you need to contact that person personally to solve this case because no one can do anything here

This is a case of trust abuse which should be dealt with accordingly

Apart from that, there is nothing really to discuss with that dude as I expect people to be responsible for what they do and thus they should be ready to accept the consequences of their actions. In short, it is not me who should do anything here other than reporting this case

Quote from: suchmoon on February 28, 2019, 12:19:51 PM

I don't see what Lucius is implying there (multiple posts in a row), nor is that a matter appropriate for the trust system. And the 1000 BTC amount risked is obviously fake. Please PM Lucius and/or get them to visit this thread to discuss that rating. Unfortunately we can't force anyone to remove a rating but you don't need to worry too much about it since it doesn't affect your default score

You don't get it. Such things are destroying the trust system. Not that I'm quite happy with it at all (I made my point pretty clear about it long ago) but it was basically none of my business. Now it is

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Hey I understand your frustration. There are a few facts you can take comfort in.

They are not DT so this shows as untrusted feedback.
The feedback shows how poorly they use the system by using false risked amounts.
The reference shows a sig campaign spreadsheet, there's nothing wrong with that.

With feedback like this if they ever wound up on DT people would reach out to them to have it changed, or they would be excluded pretty quick.

In the meantime you can leave your own neutral, about the situation and your opinion of the feedback, reach out to them regarding it, or just let it go.

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I don't see what Lucius is implying there (multiple posts in a row), nor is that a matter appropriate for the trust system. And the 1000 BTC amount risked is obviously fake. Please PM Lucius and/or get them to visit this thread to discuss that rating. Unfortunately we can't force anyone to remove a rating but you don't need to worry too much about it since it doesn't affect your default score.

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Anyone can have the freedom to give feedback about anyone but it only get weigh when they are in DT position,so you need to contact that person personally to solve this case because no one can do anything here.

But I saw that in the column of risked BTC,he/she has give 1000BTC which is inappropriate.

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I rarely look into my trust settings (more specifically, Ratings) as I'm not involved in merit exchange, buying and selling accounts, borrowing and lending anything, or any other potentially shady activity which you could receive a negative rating for. Today I was setting back my avatar and thus finally visited that part. Now I see that this dude accused me of being a signature spammer and gave me a negative rating:

As I consider it an obvious example of trust abuse, I ask DT members to tag this user appropriately. I'm not going to retaliate personally as I don't see a lot of sense in that, but it doesn't mean I will let it go. And while we are at it, anyone who has any issues with my posts on the forum (whether it be their quality, number, arrangement, or whatever is on your mind) speak it out here

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