Wow, I suppose that is peculiar - a little "Rand Paul" style.
I am not defending the fact that their FAQ section looks a little like someone else's. For that matter, the website looks similar too. But, these two businesses sort of operate the same way. If I wanted to get off the ground myself, I would probably learn (aka. copy and paste some ideas) from my competitors too. My guess is that BCS is probably still working on their website as I have seen it change a few times in the past couple of weeks. As a web-developer, I looked at the HTML source for both sites. Genesis does look a bit more polished. I wonder if they had the same developer? As Kleinman mentioned, this web-developer was used on multiple sites.
BTW, I appreciate your insight and holding BCS's feet to the fire, Dekodoge. Your comments were what first prompted me to join and respond to this forum in the first place. I've learned so much about this company in the past few days than I have in the first week I was researching them. As a small investor in BCS (<1 BTC) I am not inclined to dismiss the possibility of scam, but, at the same time, I am seeing payouts daily and can get a response from these guys whenever I want - which I must say is very reassuring. Don't get me wrong, I have been burned in the past - I am not naive to this game. I certainly hope three months from now, I can tell you I've got my investment back. Until then, I am sure everyone appreciates these warnings. As well, I am sure the investors appreciate it when BCS defends their business.
Topic: [ANN] .0014 BTC per GH/s - 12 month contract **www.BitcoinCloudServices.com** - page 32. (Read 68163 times)
July 06, 2014, 05:57:03 PM
July 06, 2014, 05:25:53 PM
Well just doing a little more dot joining.
Check the FAQs
https://www.genesis-mining.com/faq
https://support.bitcoincloudservices.com/hc/en-us
Either same lot or just copy pasta.
Check the FAQs
https://www.genesis-mining.com/faq
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If it is profitable, then why are you not mining yourself?
Besides the fact that we do mine ourselves with the very same hardware that we offer to our clients, our capital is limited. We believe that altcoin mining is highly profitable, however, we do not want to "put all our eggs in one basket".
Besides the fact that we do mine ourselves with the very same hardware that we offer to our clients, our capital is limited. We believe that altcoin mining is highly profitable, however, we do not want to "put all our eggs in one basket".
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Where is your mining farm located?
For security concerns we do not disclose the exact location of our mining farms. As of June 2014 we operate three farms, that are located in Europe, America and Asia. Electricity and availability of cooling are important (but not the only) criteria.
For security concerns we do not disclose the exact location of our mining farms. As of June 2014 we operate three farms, that are located in Europe, America and Asia. Electricity and availability of cooling are important (but not the only) criteria.
https://support.bitcoincloudservices.com/hc/en-us
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If it is profitable, then why are you not mining yourself?
Besides the fact that we do mine ourselves with the very same hardware that we offer to our clients, our capital is limited. We offer a win win business model.
Besides the fact that we do mine ourselves with the very same hardware that we offer to our clients, our capital is limited. We offer a win win business model.
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Where is your mining farm located?
For security reasons we do not disclose the exact location of our mining facilities. Our mines are located in the UK, US and South America.
For security reasons we do not disclose the exact location of our mining facilities. Our mines are located in the UK, US and South America.
Either same lot or just copy pasta.
July 06, 2014, 04:45:15 PM
I would assume it comes from mining.
They started in March which was a more than three months ago. I first saw their advertisements in late June. To me this means, they probably went in debt to buy some mining equipment and paid it off in the first few months. This is much as the case if you were to do this yourself. The average pay-off for most equipment is 3 months. I suspect that if you buy in bulk, on the order of 100's of TH/s, it would probably cost a lot less than what you or I might spend, and so I suspect this is what BCS did as well.
Believe me, I've thought about doing something like BCS myself. It's certainly a way to make a name in the BTC community. I do not exactly know what BCS' model is. Much like other companies who are profitable, I would assume they don't want everyone to know all their secrets, but the above stated is my best speculation.
If they did release a picture of their mining equipment or a video, like CEX did, they would probably get better reception. However, if they did release a video or a picture, that might also let everyone know which kind of mining equipment is being used - thus leading everyone to their vendor instead of their own website. Either way, they could certainly use some good PR after all of this.
They started in March which was a more than three months ago. I first saw their advertisements in late June. To me this means, they probably went in debt to buy some mining equipment and paid it off in the first few months. This is much as the case if you were to do this yourself. The average pay-off for most equipment is 3 months. I suspect that if you buy in bulk, on the order of 100's of TH/s, it would probably cost a lot less than what you or I might spend, and so I suspect this is what BCS did as well.
Believe me, I've thought about doing something like BCS myself. It's certainly a way to make a name in the BTC community. I do not exactly know what BCS' model is. Much like other companies who are profitable, I would assume they don't want everyone to know all their secrets, but the above stated is my best speculation.
If they did release a picture of their mining equipment or a video, like CEX did, they would probably get better reception. However, if they did release a video or a picture, that might also let everyone know which kind of mining equipment is being used - thus leading everyone to their vendor instead of their own website. Either way, they could certainly use some good PR after all of this.
July 06, 2014, 03:28:51 PM
Can anyone tell me where BCS's profit comes from?
July 06, 2014, 01:52:48 PM
Bought a contract too. Hopefully all works fine, better then CEX.io it's too expensive.
July 06, 2014, 12:43:19 PM
Wow, I would love to earn that much per day! Good catch deko!
However, I would not doubt that it's a real contract. I am sure most are willing to jump on-board simply because of the costs - even for 133 BTC. Some miners that I know racked up and are holding on to 1000's of Bitcoins before the big price jump a while back. I joined and invested with BitcoinCloudService too, nowhere near that amount, and I've been extremely happy so far. I figure in 3-months - I break even. I am sure that's what this investor thinks too. If this investor is right, then after 3 month's, he'd be making a fortune. This is a volatile and risky market we play in and we are all looking for the best way to maximize our profits.
As cautious as I am, I am still optimistic about BCS. I've been receiving daily pay-outs and every question I asked them was answered promptly - even the stupid ones. Gabriel is quick to respond and is acting very transparently in my eyes. I sincerely hope these guys can become bigger and better than CEX.io.
However, I would not doubt that it's a real contract. I am sure most are willing to jump on-board simply because of the costs - even for 133 BTC. Some miners that I know racked up and are holding on to 1000's of Bitcoins before the big price jump a while back. I joined and invested with BitcoinCloudService too, nowhere near that amount, and I've been extremely happy so far. I figure in 3-months - I break even. I am sure that's what this investor thinks too. If this investor is right, then after 3 month's, he'd be making a fortune. This is a volatile and risky market we play in and we are all looking for the best way to maximize our profits.
As cautious as I am, I am still optimistic about BCS. I've been receiving daily pay-outs and every question I asked them was answered promptly - even the stupid ones. Gabriel is quick to respond and is acting very transparently in my eyes. I sincerely hope these guys can become bigger and better than CEX.io.
July 06, 2014, 11:45:14 AM
I'm crunching numbers.
Seems that
https://blockchain.info/address/1NdoiXL5kaxedEAyQ1S629v93uxvaNd2zG from above list.
Must have "purchased" about 46TH/s !!!! to earn about 1.3755 BTC/DAY
Contract would have cost 133BTC approx or around 80K USD.
NOTE THIS IS NOT MY ACCOUNT SO DON'T PM ME AND BEG.
Seems that
https://blockchain.info/address/1NdoiXL5kaxedEAyQ1S629v93uxvaNd2zG from above list.
Must have "purchased" about 46TH/s !!!! to earn about 1.3755 BTC/DAY
Contract would have cost 133BTC approx or around 80K USD.
NOTE THIS IS NOT MY ACCOUNT SO DON'T PM ME AND BEG.
July 06, 2014, 10:08:25 AM
The virtual office has already been mentioned.
Anyway, what I understand from Gabriel is that greater transparency is one of the goals. Posting TXID's is a good step, and I hope more is coming. Perhaps Gabriel can shed some light on that. Such a thing would be more then can be said of some other competitors out there.
Also, since 9 out of 10 times is mentioned, that also suggests you should keep an open mind to the 1 out of 10 times
Anyway, what I understand from Gabriel is that greater transparency is one of the goals. Posting TXID's is a good step, and I hope more is coming. Perhaps Gabriel can shed some light on that. Such a thing would be more then can be said of some other competitors out there.
Also, since 9 out of 10 times is mentioned, that also suggests you should keep an open mind to the 1 out of 10 times
July 06, 2014, 10:05:07 AM
wow,
Maybe ... waiting for his actual actions...
Maybe ... waiting for his actual actions...
July 06, 2014, 08:30:38 AM
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CN = www.bitcoincloudservices.com
O = BTC Cloud Services LTD
L = London
C = GB
PostalCode = E1W 1AW
STREET = 46-48 EAST SMITHFIELD
STREET = TOWER BRIDGE BUSINESS CENTRE SUITE 313
O = BTC Cloud Services LTD
L = London
C = GB
PostalCode = E1W 1AW
STREET = 46-48 EAST SMITHFIELD
STREET = TOWER BRIDGE BUSINESS CENTRE SUITE 313
[/quote]
virtual office. again same shit. 9 out of 10 this is sign of scam.
July 06, 2014, 05:19:43 AM
Who is John Watt?
July 05, 2014, 03:39:17 PM
Gabriel,
Try again, I'm not lunamine or anyone else. OK so you may not be a pizza man, which is a shame as I love pizza.
So Esteban conned you. How convienent. I was scammed to I can't be a scammer " thats in 101 guide to scamming I'm sure"
All you are is a calculated ponzi scheme right until the point you vanish.
No Gabriel it's people like you who are to blame.
Try again, I'm not lunamine or anyone else. OK so you may not be a pizza man, which is a shame as I love pizza.
So Esteban conned you. How convienent. I was scammed to I can't be a scammer " thats in 101 guide to scamming I'm sure"
All you are is a calculated ponzi scheme right until the point you vanish.
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People like you are the ones to blame that Bitcoin became a big witch hunt.
No Gabriel it's people like you who are to blame.
July 05, 2014, 10:13:44 AM
And one more thing 
Our last payout
...
1Hp5598KtFdVBh9tsXf7d6zVu4i1znjz9a 0.00186053 BTC
...
Our last payout
...
1Hp5598KtFdVBh9tsXf7d6zVu4i1znjz9a 0.00186053 BTC
...
And that's mine, so that list apparently works out fine
As for the business, the information shown on the "Is your company legit?" page is the actual information as can be seen at the Companies House in the UK, so it is a legal business in that sense.
I just wonder about a few things
... I realized I didn’t want to work with this guy. But he did’t want to give me my domain back, he forced me into giving him money to recover it. ...
Means you had left the registration to him entirely?! And your business as well:Later I found out that he registered my business under his name. As I write the legal mess is still going on.
Actually, how far is this process? I can see on the Companies House pages that there's been changes to director's and secretary's but the only name I see is Esteban. Furthermore, the secretary's details changed twice, in April and in June, and both times Esteban is mentioned. I cannot see the details as that would require me to cough up some pounds and I've invested all my spare change in mining 
Esteban’s name is still present in the company registration, because some names, like shareholders, can’t be changed until the next tax return date.
And when do you think you'll be able to get rid of him? When is that tax return date? And doesn't that need his cooperation? In february I met Esteban, a web designer, in a London bar, we started to talk about Bitcoin and he told me he could build our website. He showed me his portfolio and I saw other Bitcoin websites and I agree to hire him, some of these sites later turned out to be scams. I realized I didn’t want to work with this guy.
So.... Who's doing the technical stuff of your website now then? You're busy on all sorts of changes, but you don't have the skills to pull this off. Doesn't mean you know nothing, but most websites dealing with coins in some way are targets for hackers and crackers and you better have excellent knowledge and skills around to deal with those sort of thingsThis guy scammed me too in other ways, that I won’t discuss as there is a legal investigation going on. Once I find this fucker I’ll share this information with other victims.
From one scammed person to another, the chances of any kind of success are slim, and it takes a looooong time to get to that result. Of course I don't know how much money is involved. I've lost like 10,000 GBP along the way, and I've waved them bye bye. Though honestly, I wish I had it now though.And lastly, what nasty stuff did you find out about me?
July 05, 2014, 05:14:30 AM
Okay, we will.
Serious question: how long do your contracts last? Will it mine for 5 years nonstop?
Serious question: how long do your contracts last? Will it mine for 5 years nonstop?
July 05, 2014, 05:05:41 AM
Hello,
We and most other serious companies don't go public saying bad assumptions about competitors, we expect you to do the same.
Thank you and good luck!
We and most other serious companies don't go public saying bad assumptions about competitors, we expect you to do the same.
Thank you and good luck!
Stick to 1 username, please.
July 05, 2014, 05:04:30 AM
Hello,
We and most other serious companies don't go public saying bad assumptions about competitors, we expect you to do the same.
Thank you and good luck!
We and most other serious companies don't go public saying bad assumptions about competitors, we expect you to do the same.
Thank you and good luck!
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And one more thing
Our last payout
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I would love to see yours.
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I would love to see yours.
July 05, 2014, 03:46:41 AM
dekodoge that’s a lot of information you gathered.
I’ll give you some more information and share you a little bit of what I gathered from you today.
I’m Gabriel Kleiman, if you google my name there are about 15,000 results. I’m not Mexican nor I sell pizzas.
I started mining back in 2011, and to be honest I have always been secretive about my operations and I’m not going to share them with you.
In february I met Esteban, a web designer, in a London bar, we started to talk about Bitcoin and he told me he could build our website. He showed me his portfolio and I saw other Bitcoin websites and I agree to hire him, some of these sites later turned out to be scams. I realized I didn’t want to work with this guy. But he did’t want to give me my domain back, he forced me into giving him money to recover it. Later I found out that he registered my business under his name. As I write the legal mess is still going on. This guy scammed me too in other ways, that I won’t discuss as there is a legal investigation going on. Once I find this fucker I’ll share this information with other victims.
We have nothing to hide and you connected your “dots” just by googling this page https://support.bitcoincloudservices.com/hc/en-us/articles/202363764-Is-your-company-legit-
If we were trying to hide something probably I wouldn’t post this information. Esteban’s name is still present in the company registration, because some names, like shareholders, can’t be changed until the next tax return date.
About your Facebook comment, if paying for Facebook ads is “buying a load of likes from india”. I won’t deny it and I’ll tell you that I’ve did. I’ve invested part of our marketing budget in social media, paying for ads and boosting our page’s publications. If Bitcoin is big in India and you didn’t know it, a little bit of positive research will tell you that Bitcoin is big in emerging markets.
People like you are the ones to blame that Bitcoin became a big witch hunt. But I now start to understand why you are doing what you are doing
So here is the information I’ve gathered from you, during my silence today.
I honestly believe
lunamine
ronskii
dekodoge
are the same person.
dekodoge your username is older, but around when lunamine went online you came out of the silence, and suddenly our topic, lunamine and your little investigative report was your main interest. weird!
ronskii you pretty much came to light when lunamine showed up. you’ve been lunemine’s bigger supporter (if not the only one) and questioned everything including pbmining’s operations but never lunamine, I find this a little bit odd. and also our topic got your attention today. when if you do the math you’ll realize that they give you the lowest price but you have to pay for electricity. I see your posting pattern and you are praising Lunamine most of the time.
It was funny to see a couple of hours ago how both ronskii dekodoge activity was going from this topic to lunamine’s but what really caught my attention was that I never saw them online at the same time. although the 3 have set the same local time. this probably doesn’t mean anything but it’s good start to connect your “dots”. Probably after I bring this up these patterns will change, we’ll see.
In general these 3 posting patters make sense.
One thing I tell you, you’ll get more focusing in your customers than in your competitors, and investing a little bit in social media won’t hurt you either.
Like we mentioned in a previous post we are upgrading our referral program, and it’ll be better than our competitors, so probably there will be some tears and more of your investigative reports.
So bring it on!
We wish you the best, and we’ll focus in our mining and our customers.
I’ll give you some more information and share you a little bit of what I gathered from you today.
I’m Gabriel Kleiman, if you google my name there are about 15,000 results. I’m not Mexican nor I sell pizzas.
I started mining back in 2011, and to be honest I have always been secretive about my operations and I’m not going to share them with you.
In february I met Esteban, a web designer, in a London bar, we started to talk about Bitcoin and he told me he could build our website. He showed me his portfolio and I saw other Bitcoin websites and I agree to hire him, some of these sites later turned out to be scams. I realized I didn’t want to work with this guy. But he did’t want to give me my domain back, he forced me into giving him money to recover it. Later I found out that he registered my business under his name. As I write the legal mess is still going on. This guy scammed me too in other ways, that I won’t discuss as there is a legal investigation going on. Once I find this fucker I’ll share this information with other victims.
We have nothing to hide and you connected your “dots” just by googling this page https://support.bitcoincloudservices.com/hc/en-us/articles/202363764-Is-your-company-legit-
If we were trying to hide something probably I wouldn’t post this information. Esteban’s name is still present in the company registration, because some names, like shareholders, can’t be changed until the next tax return date.
About your Facebook comment, if paying for Facebook ads is “buying a load of likes from india”. I won’t deny it and I’ll tell you that I’ve did. I’ve invested part of our marketing budget in social media, paying for ads and boosting our page’s publications. If Bitcoin is big in India and you didn’t know it, a little bit of positive research will tell you that Bitcoin is big in emerging markets.
People like you are the ones to blame that Bitcoin became a big witch hunt. But I now start to understand why you are doing what you are doing
So here is the information I’ve gathered from you, during my silence today.
I honestly believe
lunamine
ronskii
dekodoge
are the same person.
dekodoge your username is older, but around when lunamine went online you came out of the silence, and suddenly our topic, lunamine and your little investigative report was your main interest. weird!
ronskii you pretty much came to light when lunamine showed up. you’ve been lunemine’s bigger supporter (if not the only one) and questioned everything including pbmining’s operations but never lunamine, I find this a little bit odd. and also our topic got your attention today. when if you do the math you’ll realize that they give you the lowest price but you have to pay for electricity. I see your posting pattern and you are praising Lunamine most of the time.
It was funny to see a couple of hours ago how both ronskii dekodoge activity was going from this topic to lunamine’s but what really caught my attention was that I never saw them online at the same time. although the 3 have set the same local time. this probably doesn’t mean anything but it’s good start to connect your “dots”. Probably after I bring this up these patterns will change, we’ll see.
In general these 3 posting patters make sense.
One thing I tell you, you’ll get more focusing in your customers than in your competitors, and investing a little bit in social media won’t hurt you either.
Like we mentioned in a previous post we are upgrading our referral program, and it’ll be better than our competitors, so probably there will be some tears and more of your investigative reports.
So bring it on!
We wish you the best, and we’ll focus in our mining and our customers.
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