Topic: [ANN] A New Coin! First Coin on Bitcoin Core v0.19+Dash MN(PoW/PoS hybrid) - page 5. (Read 2817 times)

Thank you for the excellent post. I look forward to their reply.

..... And after around 36 hours after reporting the ridiculous error in the website footer links, they have been - edited.

What would you think of a website that cannot add terms and conditions as well as privacy policy links and actual legal policies to its own website?

So you claim that you are not shilling your Ann, but the moment people started asking about it, newbies suddenly disappeared. How convenient.


I see that you added team members, and one of them is your CMO " Cameron", but without picture at the moment.



His contacts are




Then i saw bitcointalk user Yankeeruinx asking some questions and OP answering. Is it just a coincidence, that your CMO has same twitter and reddit profile name as the bitcointalk user with the same name asking questions in your Ann? After seeing so many shady practices, i don't believe in coincidence.





Also, another proof  that is the same person behind  twitter, reddit and bitcointalk acc is that all those 3 accounts are active on Stakenet social media platforms.

Twitter


Reddit


Stakenet Ann





Then another case of very similar bitcointalk  username as your team member, asking questions, vilajerry5


Your team member Jerry Villa





Care to explain all this?

It has been over 24 hours since I informed you the links in the website footer are  incorrect: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52952920

The links that are supposed to be directed to your Privacy Policy which is listed as Policy page and your Terms and Conditions pages do not work.

What is stopping you from not even fixing that essential piece of information?

Links are being diverted to: https://www.cips.org/Documents/Resources/Downloadable documents/CoreClausesBoilerPlate.pdf





Would you encourage people to visit your website at https://www.zentoshi.com to download your whitepaper before or after they can read your privacy policy to understand what you will and will not do with the data you collect about people browsing your website?

And would you encourage people to visit your website at https://www.zentoshi.com to download your whitepaper before or after they can your terms and conditions to understand from a legal perspective exactly who is the owner of the website and who they can seek liabilities from in which jurisdiction if things ever get to a litigation stage?

I only ask about the above because any bonafide genuine LLC or incorporation would have ensured those essential pieces of information were in place long before the website went live.

Good evening everyone, Zentoshi team here


Hello Jolly,
As we mentioned, we haven't paid for a single bit of advertising for BTT. We made an announcement on our discord to our community that we posted an ANN thread when we posted it, and we wrote an article on medium, in both of these we told them if they had any questions to ask their. Some of them made their way on to this forum, created accounts and posted their questions, all to which was genuine interest on the project. We're unsure if our community should be excluded from your forum simply because they found the project before you did, but for the most part we were stuck on page 4-8. The only ones who saw us were our community for the majority of the time, until a hero member found us, read our whitepaper and liked it. He bumped our thread which pushed it to page 1, which is when you found it.

Our Medium article, we've posted it a few other places, these people were the first ones to find our BTT, and many made accounts here just to ask questions.

Please we encourage you to read our whitepaper, it seems you are uninformed about major aspects of our project, we are not an ICO. Please continue to read my response to the next post as we will be detailing some of the technology you can take advantage of and how to become a Zentopian 


Hello CJ,

We are a PoW/PoS we have duality from combining bitcoin core v018 the latest with dash evo implementation. We are one of the firsts to be able to achieve this, we plan to make it public and allow many to fork us and take advantage of this cutting edge technology. One of the benefits beyond security of the latest tech, is something that we think will interest you alot.
You can mine Zentoshi coins, then use those coins to Stake, and when you have enough you can run a ZentoshiNode. To run your ZentoshiNode you can head over to SunnyNode and get a 20% discount on VPS hosting (as we own our very own hardware) for less than a dollar a month using Zentoshi coins! On top of this as we release more platforms you'll be able to enjoy more utilities, our next one is GSP, which is a gaming server provider.
In terms of our algo, the original Balloon algorithm had some issues, we are using our own modified version of balloon in order to remedy these issues and keep the best parts of balloon.
Join our discord or telegram to keep up to date, we'll be having testnet soon!


Thank you busminer, we're glad you found your way on to our discord, We do not believe our reputation has been damaged in any way shape or form. We advertise on many channels BTT is just one of them, as respect to the tradition of coin announcements we decided to make our debut here and are happy to do so. Some of the constructive criticism has been helpful and I appreciate mosprognoz for helping us better our project by making it more transparent, and keeping a professional demeanor as he engaged in his concerns.


To all our readers
Our company will  be here for the long term. We run based on real platforms, the first thing we accomplished was making SunnyNode sustainable as we were working on the coin, this was the first step we established. We'll continue to release platforms in markets we know we can succeed in using our business expertise, as these platforms generate traffic and add use cases they will provide upward pressure to the coin along with the low supply which will be met with high demand. Furthermore the ones providing value to our coin are our miners. They will always set a baseline to the value of the coin as mining requires power which has a cost, and no miner will sell at a loss. These miners will find themselves at a happy position as they will be supplying our microcosm with the coins to power it. Those with enough coins will run our infrastructure and enjoy a different way of receiving rewards. We aren't a x1000 ROI Masternode shitcoin that is just some fork with no real technology. We're compensating our ZentoshiNodes by using them to run the infrastructure of our platforms, please read more in our whitepaper detailing this technology 

SunnyNode is currently upgrading all of its hardware and negotiating better terms with our data center successfully to be able to offer even cheaper prices but is still generating from just a landing page:


We will happily answer anymore questions and come to our discord or telegram for a welcoming greeting and a friendly environment, we'll be launching testnet soon, all are welcome, I do hope Jolly that you get involved and give us a chance 

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Hello Ning_aric
Thank you for the advice, we have update our ANN thread with these information so anyone visiting our BTT thread will be able to know this,

Zentoshi Team

I’ll suggest you go on to update your ANN thread with these information. Anyone visiting you btt thread would like to know these information is available and doesn’t need to read every single comment on the thread to find out.

Next, I’ll suggest you go on with discussions about the project and what you have to offer. Lesson must have been learnt, I hope this turns out as more adverting for you, since you’ve showed yourself to be transparent.

damaged...you guys pointed them to the mistakes they made, the team responds, does something...you sound like you're burying a project that hasn't been born yet.
in any case, the project is under the close supervision of the local guardians of order, but let's be tolerant and do not jump to conclusions.
ps
best wishes
yousr not paid shills thread bumper

I got lost in that massive OP, are they soliciting funds? i just saw PoW+premine for distro i thought..
Im not picky, ill mine most shit, i never care if a team is anon as long as their not asking for money up front for anything (although the massive "team" IS also weird i agree)
Premines are premines, miners can make their choice on if they are worth it or not for each project for them to get involved with their hashpower
I like this algo, balloon was an old classic that never really got its day imo
The thing i wonder if how they thought to use it, as it was kinda some shady projects algo when it appeared the first times around here... are the same people involved here?
and the newbies in this thread are dreadfully weird for sure haha. block reward is kinda chinsy too!

See how it goes!

That was their mistake. They should study everything closely, before doing all that shit. Now the reputation of this project is damaged and I highly doubt that anyone will invest here. As you said OP is an amateur and does not understand how to announce the project in the right way. Using shills and shitposters was the biggest mistake, together with hiding team members names. We clarified everything and now it is up to them how to proceed.    

The OP has denied using paid shills, on the contrary claiming he knows nothing about it.

Somehow, according to the OP potential users on Discord and alike might have found their way here. No, I do not believe it as there is no evidence to back it up but there is evidence newbies without posting history pumped this thread before questions about its integrity and viability were raised.

He should have used the opportunity to apologise and admit his error and then promise not to use shills and sock-puppets again but he opted to deny it. That in itself is a major problem because if a project member can lie over something so trivial even in the face mounting evidence and irrefutable evidence then maybe they have been lying about other things and maybe they will lie about others things especially convenient lies when the project goes under and investors lose their funds.

That has to be taken in consideration by OP. I really hope that all our remarks will be a good lesson for them. I also posted a warning regarding paid shills and thread bumpers

Then why would newbies associated with sock-puppet accounts be using your thread to ask amazing questions to entice an apt response?

Those sock-puppet scammer accounts have not been busy on mega project threads such as Bitcoin, Ethereum, XRP or anything else but somehow they woke up one day and literally said "HALLELUJAH PRAISE THE LORD" and were somehow guided by divine intervention to your announcement thread? Even those ridiculous ones that woke up after a 2 year period of inactivity just to wake up to post here then vanish again?

What little benefit of the doubt I was giving you is almost eroded. Pathetic. Instead of owning up and saying you made a mistake by hiring a paid shill team you claim innocence.




Since you paragraphed everything together and it would misdirect I decided to spread out response.

I was fairly sure you would post in the format you did and again there is nothing impressive about it because any sort of misdirection you have an opportunity to use is going to be taken.

Having said that let us analyse what you wrote....

You are listing Terms and Condition plus Privacy policy on a website that you are diverting people for a project that is supposed to go live on 7th November 2019 but you are saying your legal team has not completed the documents? Knowing that you are promoting your whitepaper and allowing people to visit your site and sign up WITHOUT teling them what the terms actually are and how their data will be used because the privacy policy does not exist?

In simple terms if your website is not ready why are you promoting your project using it? That is one of the worst things you can do as a business. Lack of Terms and Conditions and Privacy policy clearly shows as a business you and your team are inept as far as commerce is comncerned.

Give it up, stop right here and do not think about getting rich of the back of a token that will make you rich. If you really had been pushing the boundaries of blockchain for over a year then you would have had a complete product by now with no requirement for a token sale.

I am done with this subject about giving you the benefit of any doubt. I still will not say you are scammers but I will say that you are an amatuer who is way out of his league here and if the token sale goes ahead you will make some money and within months the project will be officially dead even though unofficially it will probably die immediately after the token sale regardless of soft/hard caps.

This is much more better. You should post all that info on your website and ANN. I suggest you to make that corrections and post full names of developers including links provided above. I will close the topic regarding your team. I guess you understand now how the legit project must be announced here on bitcointalk. Also avoid newbie bumping and shitposting in your thread, because it is useless according to new rules.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bumping-changes-on-some-boards-5183553

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bumping-rules-faqs-5183878

Have a nice day.
Alex

Good Morning everyone,

We are unaware of any unofficial rules, in regards to this:

We have not spent any budget whatsoever on hired paid shills or anything. Our project was bumped by a hero member who personally reached out to us and really took a liking to this project after the announcement was made, for the most part we were at page 4. Since then he personally posted us on his own channels and bitcointalk threads that he hosts about masternode coins. This was out of his own free will, we did not pay him.
These can be found here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52941970

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52941971

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52941973

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52941975
You are free to consult him personally and confirm this.

In regards to newbie accounts or posts early on,
We made an announcement to our community that we were making a bttann post and to ask any questions or show support to us there, these aren't paid they are just people genuinely interested in our project and that have questions. They were the first to pay attention to our thread since we posted a link in discord, and for the most part we were at the bottom of the pages in this Altcoin Announcements, so for many of you, you were unable to find us.

In terms of the project being transparent, I have procured a list in hopes to remedy this issue and abide by the unofficial rules listed (I will edit this post and grow it as more of our team members agree to share):
CEO Michael: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-weinrub-851a6b2b/
COO Jonathan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-vila-b98a4a159/
Cameron: Twitter is @Yankeeruinx
    Reddit is u/Yankeeruinx
Arcane: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stefan-hansen-2ba2479/
Andrew: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-meyer-a4a668197/
Alihan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alihan-%C3%A7elikcan-333544178/
Jerry: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremy-vila-62097313a/
Konnov: https://www.linkedin.com/in/konnovdev/
Spencer: https://www.linkedin.com/in/spencer-ford-4a54a3179/
Vijay: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vijay-bikkina-731664197/
Kinkade: https://www.linkedin.com/in/felix-shikaa-018399162
Laurel: https://www.linkedin.com/in/raphael-ukinebo-00958587
Kou: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kourosh-tabassi-43b63361/
Johan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johan-andersson-604719197/
In this list you will find top officials in our team, the full marketing team, all chief officers CDO, COO, CEO, CMO, our HR department, and our developers except Barry who refuses to be on socials.
I hope this will put your minds at ease, and we can move forward to questions about the technology or the project itself,


Please check my above answers for 1-2, we haven't spent a single dollar/btc/eth etc on any generation of fake buzz.
In terms of your question about Terms and Conditions and Policy,
Our project isn't live yet. We will be live on November 7th, this is still on our to do list and we're talking with a legal team procuring such documents, we'll have it up by the 7th of November when we are officially live. We'd like to remind everyone that we're announcing our project to your community as we are at the home stretch of developing for over a year and a half. We started out a year ago as just devs trying to push the boundaries of current blockchain technology into something new and progress it. Since then we've built a business around that technology and are at the final bits. We appreciate all concerns, please let us know if you have anymore questions,
The Zentoshi Team

Here are topics about deeponion scam.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/currypto-public-issue-4-traversing-the-deeponion-2096277

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2057229.1500

And where to read about this scam? I missed everything

Deeponion was a biggest airdrop scam in crypto history. Here is the trust page of OP

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=321080

Bitcointalk has unofficial rules for any legit project

1. Project must be transparent and all identities of team members must be revealed. (Limks to social media platforms profiles are necessary)

2. Thread should be NOT BUMPED with hired paid shills and  low quality shitposters, because that is the first sign of scam.

@ ZentoshiOfficial - Please answer the following three questions. Thank you.



1) Why are over 70% of the posts from alleged interested parties in this thread of 3 pages made by newbies?



2) Why would newbie user accounts clearly associated with scammers that offer their services to pump threads for a few USD$ in the hope generating fake buzz be posting here to pump this thread?



3) Why are the https://www.zentoshi.com/ footer links for the "Terms and Conditions" and the "Policy" diverted to a page about boilers and boiler plates over 12 hours after I highlighted the issue in my previous post?
(https://www.cips.org/Documents/Resources/Downloadable%20documents/CoreClausesBoilerPlate.pdf)

Zentoshi Limited Liability Company is a legally registered Limited Liability Company in the State of Wyoming, United States which was incorporated on October 23, 2018. The company is current in all of its filings and is in good standing (State filing ID: 2018-000825660). More information about the company's corporate status and filing information can be found here: 
https://wyobiz.wy.gov/business/FilingDetails.aspx?eFNum=029068139148032188088010133253178194132190252116

The Organizer of the LLC is Michael Weinrub, a.k.a. Michael, who is the CEO of Zentoshi Limited Liability Company.

On October 23, 2018, Zentoshi registered under the provisions of House Bill (HB-70) which grants treatment of ZenX as a utility currency. Documentation on House Bill (HB-70) can be found here: https://trackbill.com/bill/wyoming-house-bill-70-open-blockchain-tokens-exemptions/1536046/

Due to the nature of ZenX as a utility currency, its purpose is to create an infrastructure which allows independent operators to bring elements of their own businesses into the Zentoshi Microcosm, earn a piece of the pie, offer additional services to users, and overall, the more entities that enter the Microcosm, the more useful the currency will become. On top of this, Zentoshi Limited Liability Company is already working to create three of its own services within the Microcosm (SunnyNode, CloudGSP and ZentoshiPay, which are detailed in the Whitepaper). Banking on the success of these three services, which will be the first within the Microcosm, is our way of trying to be the first to prove our use case.
To address part of the "lack of socials" issue which was raised, part of this was oversight and we should have made an effort to get as many of our project contributors as we could to supply us with their social media. The second part of this which I want to address, I had attempted to clarify earlier. We are a Limited Liability Company and we have regulations within the United States and the State of Wyoming that dictate employer-employee relations. There are also only two members who own actual shares of the LLC itself, those are the CEO  (Michael Weinrub) and the COO (Jonathan Vila), whose LinkedIn profiles were made available prior to, and in, our announcement post. Many of our project contributors are volunteers, and we cannot force them to have public facing social media linked to the project. In the interim of the issues raised, we've messaged all of our staff and have solicited social media information from any staff willing- and several have given us this information.

We're going to work to address the constructive criticisms where we can, and we welcome more.

There is nothing but genuine intentions here. We are a real project, with a real business, and a real blockchain. Not many projects on here can say that, even most of these announcements have anonymous posting, projects like:
Monero which has over 400k views: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/xmr-monero-a-secure-private-untraceable-cryptocurrency-583449

No where is the team stated and Monero has been around for years operating like this. We understand we're a new project, and users might be jaded, but your "red flags" aren't consistent on all your announcements just the ones you choose to target.
Again another thread displaying this that is on the front page with a high number of views and involvement:
Deeponion
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/onion-privacy-coin-with-real-use-cases-deeponion-222-released-2683530

You will find the team doesn't even have first names yet you are not there posting big red letters, to actual investors I say this, join our discord, talk to us. Don't let other people posting big red letters, poking holes that anyone can do at any project stray you away from your own decision making. Make your own decisions, bitcoin originally came out no one knew who the team was, but the technology was fascinating and now years later we are here and we still don't know who Satoshi is. Our faces are on there, we posted our linkedin and part of the team is attached. Look at our technology, we'll be releasing testnet soon for you to try, actually read our whitepaper which contains all of our information and decide on our business whether it's the right fit for you, either ways we plan on being here for a long time.
Thank you for your interest, please continue posting questions about the project we welcome all constructive criticism and questions.

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Hello BitPotus, these pictures are our real faces and real names, you can find them again on our linkedin:
CEO: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-weinrub-851a6b2b/
COO: https://linkedin.com/in/jonathan-vila-b98a4a159/

We invite you to search the pictures and do your due diligence, they are not stolen. Our project aims to be professional, give the whitepaper a read and learn what we are about, feel free to join our discord and come talk to us!
https://discord.gg/7e7nAjh

the team looks fake as fuck.

most probably stole the images from somewhere and using them to instill a false sense of legitimacy.

this shit just feels like a scam.

 

That’s a lot of red flag. Zentoshi team needs to look into this. I had to look again, and project seems to be a work in progress. I’ll suggest the team go slow on this one. Bitcointalk is a good platform to talk about a new masternode project. Like I said, more competition in this field would be very much appreciated. But you have to make it a really good competition. Start with your ANN post by OP, make use of the editing tools on Bitcointalk and make your post professional.


I do hope they come up with good answers.
And about the TM symbol, it’s actually not a thing. Trade Mark is different from Registered Mark known as a Capital R in a circle. They could use the TM symbol without registration. I’ll advise the team to get the name registered a soon as they can, it’s going to be a long day.