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There is nothing wrong with dissent... But please stay grounded and post your concerns objectively and professionally. I made a thread for just that here: http://ultracointalk.org/index.php?topic=141.msg285#msg285

If you want to make a big impact, post all of your concerns there. We will be listening.
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My post was directed to king_pin, as this was nothing but FUD and accusations without any arguments to manifest what he said.


This king_pin sets himself completely sidelined with stupid accusations without any proof.
King_pin shows here that he is 100% unreliable and just an enemy of UTC.
People like that must been seen as dangerous trollers and must be put on the ignore list.

And then about this mr. flobdeth.
Also somebody who is unreliable.
He put on is tread a view hours ago some hard accusations to the management team.
Still he did dent come up with good arguments or proof.
Another candidate troller to put on the ignore list.  

Who appointed you the thought police?

I am so glad you're my judge jury and executioner, all hail and bow down, here take my sword to cut off my head. I'm such a bad troll asking questions about the future of your investment.  Keep wandering about with your eyes shut.  You may do us a favour and wander off a cliff.

Hey, my money is safe elsewhere, all this shows me are BIG RED FLAGS when people can't even answer simple questions, so, I suggest you get back under your own pebble and come back at me once you've grown a few hairs. 

I invested heavily in this coin before, I sold upon lots of reasons I have kept an eye on it, that is no crime.

To satiate Mr Marnie, who clearly has no mind of his own and can only regurgitate what other thought police tell him, this is commonly known as a "discussion" Quote:
dis·cus·sion

noun
the action or process of talking about something, typically in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas.
"the proposals are not a blueprint but ideas for discussion"
a conversation or debate about a certain topic.


Red flag 1:  Changing the block reward (though I agreed mostly with difficulty changes for longevity reasoning)

Red flag 2:  Hearing about secret emails involving 13(?) IPO members (how much truth there were in them, I don't know) so that is invalid, merely hearsay and conjecture, but that made me stop and think.  I don't want to post what I heard here, but I'm sure the IPO holders may have an idea what I'm on about (6 months?)

Red flag 3: Never are the team open to answering questions unless it's nonsensical or trivial or posting posts exactly as you have there!

Red flag 4: Bumface, sold his IPO and bought asics!" (I understand your reasoning, I don't agree with it and that's my prerogative and made me think you were looking for ways out, which you have)  IPO should never have been touched, mistake but now in the past!

Red flag 5: Devs jumping ship, 3 of them was it?

Red flag 6:  The "Big boys" want to implement POS, that only suits the owners as they're the biggest holders.......

Red flag 7: Bumfaces trollbox mate steps up and "takes over" (sorry guys, but I have a hard time believing anything has changed, prove me wrong) If it had been some random guys dog even, I would have found that easier to swallow for some reason.

So, Mr Marnie continue to call for my head, but if you think for one minute I'd suggest anyone on this planet invest money in UTC without any answers to anything, running on "blind faith" or stupidity, take your pick, I insinuate nothing, draw your own conclusions!  In this context, is it wrong to expect any answers before I'd even consider putting money back into UTC?

@Richardminer, hopefully that puts to bed a couple of your questions also, though I know I missed a couple, apologies

Bumface had a cracking little thing going, sure, there have been mistakes, I'm sure he's learned from those, but he's not in charge anymore.  I don't want to see it die.  I also am no idiot and if that makes me a troll and a Fudster for bringing up relevant questions, then OOOOH, scary stuff if that's the worst of your worries!

Sure, I could post positive points, but I have questions that need answers first and I'm sure it'd be far easier just to TRY and address those first would it not?

@ultraqar exactly what they expect from the troll box, blind obedience, this is reality, not a competition to see who can lose the most.  I won't "STFU" and blindly throw money at people, what kind of ridiculous attitude is that, make much from trading doing that, or are you down since you started playing with crypto?  Yours is exactly the "dumb money" attitude that is so easy to scam
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After going full pos how many coins will be released  for the market ?do we have a number for that??? ...at this moment there are 16.900.000 UTC. Also i wonder why too many trollers like flobdeth or king_pin complaining about bugholders when you can even be a bugholder just buying the hell out of ultracoin by rising also the price with only 5-10 btc....All i can say is go buy some coins support the devs work positively for the community ,remove sell orders, and shut the fuck up by letting the dev's do their job.
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+1
Well spoken Paul.


Guy’s,

What I see the last day is only talking negative shit from a little group of so called "members".

We have community members who are positive to full pos and also community members who are negative.
That’s all ok as long if there is normal discussion about the pros and cons.

But what I see now is that some little group of "members" starting with negativity, false accusations and with personal attacks without any proof.
Next to that I see that we are going back to the time from a view weeks ago when the thread was full of negativity, attacks, provoking and trying people to influence.

Please understand this;
You can be against full pos, but what some “members” are doing now is destroying UTC by constant putting fud on the tread.
So if UTC is going down it is not of changing in to full pos but because of those “members” who are fudding and attacking UTC.
It is as simple as that!


About no hashing power, again some stupid accusation. Fabietech and I have since day one started with mining UTC with more than 140x R9 290’s.
At this moment we have more than 430MH/s on the Multipool.
So our rigs are about roughly +50% off the X11 hashing power at the multipool.
And remember this, we have several Titan Asic miners coming and will put a large amount of that on the Multipool.
Next to this Bumface has also some asics coming and will put a part of his asic's also to the Multipool.

About the accusations of wanted to dump. Since day one Fabian and I are miners of UTC.
Yes we are serious bag holders.
But we did never dumped any UTC on the market.
Off course there will come a time we will go in to a sell.
But if we do sell we do that responsible and in parts.
We will never ever dumps all at once.
We still believe we can let UTC grow to a price point above +0,003!
 
Please to those "members" who are constant negative !
Stop fudding and spreading fear mongering and start normal healthy discourse instead please.

In the mean time I support bumface 100% when messages are deleted which meant only to be negative and wrong to cause damage and fearmongering.
I will even delete them personally !





I am since a short time new here at the utc forum. I have started my own coin but like utc for investments. But this constant negativity of some guys give me goose bumps. It looks just like Enemy of the State. If this wont stop it will scare new utc investors and buyers away. What is there ppl don't understand about that they are hurting your coin. Do they want to destroy it?
sr. member
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Hello gents, @flobdeth @KingPin and the rest of the Ultracoin community. You all have legitimate concerns dealing with the full PoS transformation of Ultracoin, I want to iterate that harsh language, slippery slope fallacies and ad hominem attacks will not be tolerated and will be deleted by the admins of the of thread. If you wish to display your concerns, please organize them and post them in a manner that is not attacking individuals or using baseless information. Rest assured that your concerns ARE being heard by the management team and everything is being heavily considered.

In order to end any bickering (on both sides) I have created a thread on UltracoinTalk where we will examine the pro's and con's of switching to a full PoS coin, I want everyone to present their best evidence as to why they think their position is superior or simply examine both sides objectively that way the community can argue in favor of the best decision without infighting.

Continue the discussion @:

http://goo.gl/PpRm4S

Sincerely,
Steven "Rapture333"
Marketing & PR Director
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+1
Well spoken Paul.


Guy’s,

What I see the last day is only talking negative shit from a little group of so called "members".

We have community members who are positive to full pos and also community members who are negative.
That’s all ok as long if there is normal discussion about the pros and cons.

But what I see now is that some little group of "members" starting with negativity, false accusations and with personal attacks without any proof.
Next to that I see that we are going back to the time from a view weeks ago when the thread was full of negativity, attacks, provoking and trying people to influence.

Please understand this;
You can be against full pos, but what some “members” are doing now is destroying UTC by constant putting fud on the tread.
So if UTC is going down it is not of changing in to full pos but because of those “members” who are fudding and attacking UTC.
It is as simple as that!


About no hashing power, again some stupid accusation. Fabietech and I have since day one started with mining UTC with more than 140x R9 290’s.
At this moment we have more than 430MH/s on the Multipool.
So our rigs are about roughly +50% off the X11 hashing power at the multipool.
And remember this, we have several Titan Asic miners coming and will put a large amount of that on the Multipool.
Next to this Bumface has also some asics coming and will put a part of his asic's also to the Multipool.

About the accusations of wanted to dump. Since day one Fabian and I are miners of UTC.
Yes we are serious bag holders.
But we did never dumped any UTC on the market.
Off course there will come a time we will go in to a sell.
But if we do sell we do that responsible and in parts.
We will never ever dumps all at once.
We still believe we can let UTC grow to a price point above +0,003!
 
Please to those "members" who are constant negative !
Stop fudding and spreading fear mongering and start normal healthy discourse instead please.

In the mean time I support bumface 100% when messages are deleted which meant only to be negative and wrong to cause damage and fearmongering.
I will even delete them personally !




sr. member
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Currently I am 90% of the pools hashrate, so any missing shares I see Smiley
But that is not the problem, I have been seeing that the last 10 days, I haven't sad a think cause I didn't want to damage UTC.

A 100% POS currency only offers $$$ for the developers and for creates centralization.

If anything, they should wait a few months, price is stable so there is no hurry, finish up their other projects, than make major changes.

There are still crazy people mining SCRYPT with GPUs, soon ASIC-s will totally take over, and all those GPUs will have to go some ware.
One place is e-bay, the other is X11 but NVIDIA GPUs are much better at X11 so what is left there to mine: SCRYPT-N

If Scrypt-N goes popular, VertCoin will be N1 but this is where the DEV. TEAM can make a difference, and maybe UTC can even dethrone VERT
sr. member
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My post was directed to king_pin, as this was nothing but FUD and accusations without any arguments to manifest what he said.


This king_pin sets himself completely sidelined with stupid accusations without any proof.
King_pin shows here that he is 100% unreliable and just an enemy of UTC.
People like that must been seen as dangerous trollers and must be put on the ignore list.

And then about this mr. flobdeth.
Also somebody who is unreliable.
He put on is tread a view hours ago some hard accusations to the management team.
Still he did dent come up with good arguments or proof.
Another candidate troller to put on the ignore list.  
sr. member
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@bumface
Than please explain how I see dramatic drops of hashrate everyday, while my machines are still hashing.

bumface: when it comes down to money, people can become real dipsh!ts. They don't restrain from nothing, even accusing people of stealing, just to get their benefit (whichever that might be). Just like in the "big" financial world, just with the difference that we have a lot of kiddies running around here who aren't equipped with the resources which the "big boys" have, so they are left with swearing and trolling...

King Pin is pissed because he has a lot of hashpower which he can not use on utc anymore.. that should put his post in perspective...

Yes it i true, but I also have lots UTC in safe keeping.
But what will happen Total centralization or PUMP than DUMP than DEATH

Think of what I am saying:
Nvidia is taking over the X11/X13 market, all ATI owners will soon have to orientate themselves to Scrypt-N.

Nvidia cards (750TI for example) are times more efficient in X11 calculations, so yes they are taking over (yes I too have Nvidia cards)!

As for trolling, I am supporting. I am the only one that moved to the new pool to spread the hashrate, if it wasn't me it was dead too.
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Traveling in subspace
Nvidia is taking over the X11/X13 market, all ATI owners will soon have to orientate themselves to Scrypt-N.
Really? I must have missed that announcement. Nvidia is making great strides but taking over? Don't think so. ( and before you ask, yes, I have Nvidia cards.)
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Encrypted Money, Baby!
bumface: when it comes down to money, people can become real dipsh!ts. They don't restrain from nothing, even accusing people of stealing, just to get their benefit (whichever that might be). Just like in the "big" financial world, just with the difference that we have a lot of kiddies running around here who aren't equipped with the resources which the "big boys" have, so they are left with swearing and trolling...

So you agree that centralization of capital and access is a good thing?

POS brings nothing to the table, all it does is centralizes the market and liquidity.  There is no "free market" it comes down to the biggest group, the only people able to make anything off POS are the ones with the control over the money flow, there is no way to mine it except by handing over cash in advance to buy from those people.  It does not provide more services or opportunities to spend UTC making it "money"

You have a multipool which pays out in UTC, great, good job (honestly Granng it's work well done), another POS downside, the pool has to buy from the holders who are able to dictate market prices.......... Yes you can try the pathetic argument that everyone is free to sell at whatever price they want, so free market competition is alive and well.  Only to a point, if you don't understand how this works, I suggest you stop playing with crypto as you're nothing more than "dumb money"

If pointing out reality makes me a troll, so be it, It's a HUGE bridge to sit under.  I still see nothing anywhere or answers other than calling me a troll and FUDster over concerns over POS that would make me think otherwise?

What does UTC want to even be, do you guys even know anymore?  

I'm not doing this as pure FUD.  What's the problem taking your heads out of the sand for five minutes and dealing like stuff with the supposed "adults" that you are supposed to be?  Ok my origional attitude sucked, yes I posted angry and I shouldn't have.

Are these questions so hard to answer or is more moderation required as it's far easier to hide reality than explain it, is it?
No, flobdeth, actually I'm totally fine with your posts. We're having conversation here and it's okay to express one's concerns (as I said, I'm here to learn about both sides as I cannot fully estimate the consequences of full PoS). My post was directed to king_pin, as this was nothing but FUD and accusations without any arguments to manifest what he said. So, no problem here from my side.

.edit:
bumface, soccer final round Germany against Netherlands, that would be great, eh? Hope you guys win tonight!
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Bumface... you know what you can do better !?

Stop giving those M***********G negative trollers a audience.

Maybe it is better to close this bitcoin tread.

Let them troll further at http://ultracointalk.org/

Then they will disappear in the shortest time.
 


This is not even a bad idea ....
But than a small group of negative guys know to demolish this forum well
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I'm curious as to what defines a "large" holder of UTC any more.
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Bumface... you know what you can do better !?

Stop giving those M***********G negative trollers a audience.

Maybe it is better to close this bitcoin tread.

Let them troll further at http://ultracointalk.org/

Then they will disappear in the shortest time.
 
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big piece of text, very little content.....

i dont know what your agenda is,but its not pretty

Do you even bother to comprehend what you read or do you just post pathetic negative posts yourself with no content?

I have no agenda, I am asking questions! is that a criminal offence?

Are you unable to answer them? if not, don't, let someone else who does have a clue what's going on reply.  Wow, WTS common sense!
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bumface: when it comes down to money, people can become real dipsh!ts. They don't restrain from nothing, even accusing people of stealing, just to get their benefit (whichever that might be). Just like in the "big" financial world, just with the difference that we have a lot of kiddies running around here who aren't equipped with the resources which the "big boys" have, so they are left with swearing and trolling...

So you agree that centralization of capital and access is a good thing?

POS brings nothing to the table, all it does is centralizes the market and liquidity.  There is no "free market" it comes down to the biggest group, the only people able to make anything off POS are the ones with the control over the money flow, there is no way to mine it except by handing over cash in advance to buy from those people.  It does not provide more services or opportunities to spend UTC making it "money"

You have a multipool which pays out in UTC, great, good job (honestly Granng it's work well done), another POS downside, the pool has to buy from the holders who are able to dictate market prices.......... Yes you can try the pathetic argument that everyone is free to sell at whatever price they want, so free market competition is alive and well.  Only to a point, if you don't understand how this works, I suggest you stop playing with crypto as you're nothing more than "dumb money"

If pointing out reality makes me a troll, so be it, It's a HUGE bridge to sit under.  I still see nothing anywhere or answers other than calling me a troll and FUDster over concerns over POS that would make me think otherwise?

What does UTC want to even be, do you guys even know anymore?  

I'm not doing this as pure FUD.  What's the problem taking your heads out of the sand for five minutes and dealing like stuff with the supposed "adults" that you are supposed to be?  Ok my origional attitude sucked, yes I posted angry and I shouldn't have.

Are these questions so hard to answer or is more moderation required as it's far easier to hide reality than explain it, is it?


big piece of text, very little content.....

i dont know what your agenda is,but its not pretty.

i dont know about you guys, but i am done with this negativity .I am going to focus on the bright future of ultracoin,and im going to think about what i can do to contribute Cheesy

I have said this before, this full POS strategy is simply 1 step on the road,dont view it as an end goal.

We are talking to a java dev right now for the minecraft plugin,and he thought the idea was brilliant,this will make sure the demand goes up.


also you could have read this in the POS announcement "Our management team is now busy with our coin dev’s to finalize the investigation and the test to make Ultracoin a full PoS coin."

we are investigating,nothing is a 100% certain yet.What we do is in the best interrest of the coin and the community.We never make hasty decisions

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bumface: when it comes down to money, people can become real dipsh!ts. They don't restrain from nothing, even accusing people of stealing, just to get their benefit (whichever that might be). Just like in the "big" financial world, just with the difference that we have a lot of kiddies running around here who aren't equipped with the resources which the "big boys" have, so they are left with swearing and trolling...

So you agree that centralization of capital and access is a good thing?

POS brings nothing to the table, all it does is centralizes the market and liquidity.  There is no "free market" it comes down to the biggest group, the only people able to make anything off POS are the ones with the control over the money flow, there is no way to mine it except by handing over cash in advance to buy from those people.  It does not provide more services or opportunities to spend UTC making it "money"

You have a multipool which pays out in UTC, great, good job (honestly Granng it's work well done), another POS downside, the pool has to buy from the holders who are able to dictate market prices.......... Yes you can try the pathetic argument that everyone is free to sell at whatever price they want, so free market competition is alive and well.  Only to a point, if you don't understand how this works, I suggest you stop playing with crypto as you're nothing more than "dumb money"

If pointing out reality makes me a troll, so be it, It's a HUGE bridge to sit under.  I still see nothing anywhere or answers other than calling me a troll and FUDster over concerns over POS that would make me think otherwise?

What does UTC want to even be, do you guys even know anymore?  

I'm not doing this as pure FUD.  What's the problem taking your heads out of the sand for five minutes and dealing like stuff with the supposed "adults" that you are supposed to be?  Ok my origional attitude sucked, yes I posted angry and I shouldn't have.

Are these questions so hard to answer or is more moderation required as it's far easier to hide reality than explain it, is it?
sr. member
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Guy’s,

What I see the last day is only talking negative shit from a little group of so called "members".

We have community members who are positive to full pos and also community members who are negative.
That’s all ok as long if there is normal discussion about the pros and cons.

But what I see now is that some little group of "members" starting with negativity, false accusations and with personal attacks without any proof.
Next to that I see that we are going back to the time from a view weeks ago when the thread was full of negativity, attacks, provoking and trying people to influence.

Please understand this;
You can be against full pos, but what some “members” are doing now is destroying UTC by constant putting fud on the tread.
So if UTC is going down it is not of changing in to full pos but because of those “members” who are fudding and attacking UTC.
It is as simple as that!

About no hashing power, again some stupid accusation. Fabietech and I have since day one started with mining UTC with more than 140x R9 290’s.
At this moment we have more than 430MH/s on the Multipool.
So our rigs are about roughly +50% off the X11 hashing power at the multipool.
And remember this, we have several Titan Asic miners coming and will put a large amount of that on the Multipool.
Next to this Bumface has also some asics coming and will put a part of his asic's also to the Multipool.

About the accusations of wanted to dump. Since day one Fabian and I are miners of UTC.
Yes we are serious bag holders.
But we did never dumped any UTC on the market.
Off course there will come a time we will go in to a sell.
But if we do sell we do that responsible and in parts.
We will never ever dumps all at once.
We still believe we can let UTC grow to a price point above +0,003!
 
Please to those "members" who are constant negative !
Stop fudding and spreading fear mongering and start normal healthy discourse instead please.

In the mean time I support bumface 100% when messages are deleted which meant only to be negative and wrong to cause damage and fearmongering.
I will even delete them personally !



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bumface: when it comes down to money, people can become real dipsh!ts. They don't restrain from nothing, even accusing people of stealing, just to get their benefit (whichever that might be). Just like in the "big" financial world, just with the difference that we have a lot of kiddies running around here who aren't equipped with the resources which the "big boys" have, so they are left with swearing and trolling...

King Pin is pissed because he has a lot of hashpower which he can not use on utc anymore.. that should put his post in perspective...
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