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Topic: [ANN] [ASIC-RESISTANT] UltraCoin (UTC) - Ultrafast 6 second transactions!! - page 37. (Read 946641 times)

legendary
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Encrypted Money, Baby!
flobdeth: that's just more buzzwords. Still not satisfied.
POS is the end of UTC.

The last pump and dump before its end.

I really liked this coin and I thought it had a future right there next to DRK, VTC and BC.
But I guess the developers have other plans.
Can you maybe deliver some arguments to substantiate your theory instead of just throwing buzzwords, please?

History of all other POS coins that have all been pumped and dumped into oblivion.

The most successful alternative coins to litecoin are those that champion different algorithms.
Making ULT POS basically makes it abandon the algorithm market. It's strong point was the scrypt-jane algo.
Maybe, I'm not sure about how things will sort out (to be honest: I do not have any experience with the price-related development of other coins which went into full PoS). What I'd like to know is: what concretely makes PoS worse? I read here that transactions might take longer as an argument, but the counter-argument was that the transaction times were well considered in this decision. So, who's right now?

Also: how many coins are in circulation right now? If I remember correctly, 100kk coins were initially to be released over the period of 1 year (is that correct?), plus the PoS, of course. Now that the supply is being cut way earlier, is there any way to find out what the current total supply is?
[edit: coinmarketcap says 16,909,741 - just looked it up]

And the argument that noone is willing to let his coins sleep in his wallet to support PoS/network: at least I did setup a dedicated box which runs my wallet 24/7. I'm not sure about others but I don't think that lots of people would relinquish the interest, as well as I totally cannot imagine that there's so many people letting their coins sit on exchanges over a longer period of time.
And even if that is the case, I could imagine that the exchanges' wallets do have coin control features enabled, so maybe they also support the network (not sure about the amount of movement in exchange wallets in general, so it's just a guess).


If anyone wants to prove me wrong, please do so. At the moment, I'm here to understand the benefits and/or risks of going full PoS, so any arguments (besides "clusterfuck", offense intended) are highly appreciated.

.edit: grammar
sr. member
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I'm skeptical but intrigued at the same time. Interesting times  Cool 

I don’t understand why some are skeptical or think it would be the end.
Oke some have pointed us at some good arguments but others are only shouting without giving any good reasons. I don’t think we can wait longer time to do something big for UTC. The asic resistant thing is a very attractive point, it is a pity to lose that, but nobody knows for shore when the asics are really being shipped and nobody knows for shore the miners will put their gpu’s on UTC for mining when the asics are finely there.
So tell me please, can you explain why UTC needs to stay like this? Do you think if UTC stay’s like this it will get more demand by itself in short time? even with the fact that every day new coins are floating the market? I don’t think it works like that anymore.
And please can you tell me what other specific features or things UTC can develop or start, other than start minecraft en get more web shops accepting the coin? I don’t think there are many other super-duper features possible anymore.
So agree with some others here. I guess there are not many other real options. Going full pos is not a bad thing for UTC. Together with mincraft and getting more web shops accepting the coin it can still be a big success.
And about the miners, they can mine at the UTC multipool x11 coins as they are doing now.
Win-Win



Thank you richard for your comments there are allot of words we also have talked about with the experts!!!
And your opinion in that is the same as the experts!!

We are continuing with the minecraft and the acceptence of webshops only the market wont be floated with UTC everyday!!
If ( our ) asics will come we have allot of them and will put this also on the multipool to benefit UTC.
full member
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I'm skeptical but intrigued at the same time. Interesting times  Cool 

I don’t understand why some are skeptical or think it would be the end.
Oke some have pointed us at some good arguments but others are only shouting without giving any good reasons. I don’t think we can wait longer time to do something big for UTC. The asic resistant thing is a very attractive point, it is a pity to lose that, but nobody knows for shore when the asics are really being shipped and nobody knows for shore the miners will put their gpu’s on UTC for mining when the asics are finely there.
So tell me please, can you explain why UTC needs to stay like this? Do you think if UTC stay’s like this it will get more demand by itself in short time? even with the fact that every day new coins are floating the market? I don’t think it works like that anymore.
And please can you tell me what other specific features or things UTC can develop or start, other than start minecraft en get more web shops accepting the coin? I don’t think there are many other super-duper features possible anymore.
So agree with some others here. I guess there are not many other real options. Going full pos is not a bad thing for UTC. Together with mincraft and getting more web shops accepting the coin it can still be a big success.
And about the miners, they can mine at the UTC multipool x11 coins as they are doing now.
Win-Win

newbie
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POS is the end of UTC.

The last pump and dump before its end.

I really liked this coin and I thought it had a future right there next to DRK, VTC and BC.
But I guess the developers have other plans.
Can you maybe deliver some arguments to substantiate your theory instead of just throwing buzzwords, please?

History of all other POS coins that have all been pumped and dumped into oblivion.

The most successful alternative coins to litecoin are those that champion different algorithms.
Making ULT POS basically makes it abandon the algorithm market. It's strong point was the scrypt-jane algo.
sr. member
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Merit: 250
I'm skeptical but intrigued at the same time. Interesting times  Cool 
Well said. It's just like me Smiley
full member
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I'm skeptical but intrigued at the same time. Interesting times  Cool 
sr. member
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Dear Community Members,

Thanks for all your comments and well-meant advice.

Obviously there are many positive and negative things to say, but let
we as a community just focus on the positive side for a better and stronger Ultracoin.

The Full POS is a well-considered decision that is consulted with many experts in the cryptoworld
We have also heard now some good and well respected opinions from you community members.

As we said in the announcement, we are now at an advanced stage of  testing Full POSS.
If there will be any problems like issues with the transaction speed or other well-documented questions that are posted this 24Hours we will take this in consideration.

But for now all ideas and services are now developed rapidly with the launch of:
- Minecraft plugin
- Acceptance of webshops

We ask the community to help us and to spread the word positive on all platforms as cryptsy, facebook, twitter, reddit, etc.

Regards,
Fabietech
legendary
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Encrypted Money, Baby!
POS is the end of UTC.

The last pump and dump before its end.

I really liked this coin and I thought it had a future right there next to DRK, VTC and BC.
But I guess the developers have other plans.
Can you maybe deliver some arguments to substantiate your theory instead of just throwing buzzwords, please?
newbie
Activity: 41
Merit: 0
POS is the end of UTC.

The last pump and dump before its end.

I really liked this coin and I thought it had a future right there next to DRK, VTC and BC.
But I guess the developers have other plans.
sr. member
Activity: 251
Merit: 250

ULTRACOIN IS GOING FULL POS
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Currently in today’s society people are not so focused on the meaning of a coin, but mostly to the desire or the limitation of a coin.
Unfortunately our coin has the "curse" of actually being well developed and people don't care much about that.
Scrypt-Chacha is a great algorithm, but it’s not very easy to configure because miners have to change settings constantly, and it runs hot.
This has chased away some people, and that is undesirable.
It's just too much effort for a miner when they can simply go and mine X11 instead and have a lower power bill and increase the life of their GPU.

Next to that, a coin that is 100% asic resistant and high in energy consumption will never be mined to its peak.
Even if PoS rewards are being implemented, it will still not drive the popularity up to a level we aspire to.
Not now at 5,2% PoS but also not at 10% or even at 15% or 20% PoS.
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I disagree that miners have to change their settings too often. In one week time we will change factor from 13 to 14 and that means mining will cost less (lower power consumption) maybe it will equal to x11 power consumption. This factor is supposed to last for 6 months - 6 months of mining without any interruptions on our stable pools. Than in january the last factor change, and that's it Smiley

Only time can tell if this is the right choice. I hope so you know what you are doing Smiley
sr. member
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The only people wanting full PoS it seems are those who do not understand what is it and/or are only care about price.  Stable price is better then pump and dumps for a coin that is promoted for arbitrage and fast transfers of value.

That is a nice way to describe 90% of the people who post on this thread.


I disagree.
I believe in PoS cause wasting energy with mining cannot be desirable solution for the future.
Cutting down the unsustainable supply of new coins is a nice side effect. We see that other PoS coins has problems too, so I think its
getting even harder and harder for PoW coins.

Going to PoS shouldn't be a pump, its a adjustment to the current altcoin environment.

full member
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So I put a couple of Scrypt ASICs on the multipool today.  The hashrate at the pool is right, but the worker dashboard says 0 scrypt shares.  However, for some reason, I have a lot of SHA256 shares?  I'm using port 3333 in cgminer.  Is this normal or is something wrong with my setup?



hey buddy look hére www.cryptotrain.net/gettingstarted.  The port for
SCRYPT is (3333) for SHA256 (5555) and X11(3332)







member
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So I put a couple of Scrypt ASICs on the multipool today.  The hashrate at the pool is right, but the worker dashboard says 0 scrypt shares.  However, for some reason, I have a lot of SHA256 shares?  I'm using port 3333 in cgminer.  Is this normal or is something wrong with my setup?
sr. member
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ULTRACOIN IS GOING FULL POS




Dear UTC Community Members,

As management team we are pleased to announce the new direction of Ultracoin.

The last two weeks we were busy investigating this new direction and discussing it with our coin dev’s.

ULTRACOIN WILL BE CHANGING INTO FULL POS !

This means that from the full PoS update Ultracoin cannot be mined directly anymore.
Generation of new coins and the maintenance of the network are from that moment done through minting instead of mining.
This can be done perfectly through the Ultracoin Multipool.

Off course we don’t take this big decision lightly.

We realize we are giving up one of the prime features of Ultracoin, the asic resistance,
However, in this constantly and quick changing crypto world we don’t think the asic resistance alone will get Ultracoin to a price point where we need it to
be or where we all want it to go.
So after a lot of deliberation, careful thoughts and discourse we have decided to give this feature up to go full PoS.

Our motivation is as follow :

The reason why we are now here in the leads is to change things into the positive for Ultracoin.
In a landscape with new coins emerging every day, our coin needs to be made exclusive if we want it to survive.
It`s that simple....

Currently in today’s society people are not so focused on the meaning of a coin, but mostly to the desire or the limitation of a coin.
Unfortunately our coin has the "curse" of actually being well developed and people don't care much about that.
Scrypt-Chacha is a great algorithm, but it’s not very easy to configure because miners have to change settings constantly, and it runs hot.
This has chased away some people, and that is undesirable.
It's just too much effort for a miner when they can simply go and mine X11 instead and have a lower power bill and increase the life of their GPU.

Next to that, a coin that is 100% asic resistant and high in energy consumption will never be mined to its peak.
Even if PoS rewards are being implemented, it will still not drive the popularity up to a level we aspire to.
Not now at 5,2% PoS but also not at 10% or even at 15% or 20% PoS.

Without trying to sound too negative about our coin, but with allot of opinion asking last weeks, this is how the crypto community feels about our UTC coin.

We feel that for UTC to be a success, we need to tease people more and more with it.
And what could be better than a super-fast Ultracoin which has limited availability !
Not only traders and investors would love this super-fast future but also the web shop owners.

Currently we have some bag holders that have a large amount of UTC and it's not moving around in the market at all.
This is one of our biggest concerns since we want UTC to be a real currency with a healthy market.

Once the coin is pure and full PoS, we believe it will go into a mad craze.
The current daily supply will reduce by factor 19.
We think people won't even care about the bag holders anymore because they just need to get their coins and they will pay top dollar for them.
This will lead to more exclusivity and an up going demand and price.
Have a look at some other coins that have done this before, they had a significant increase in value overnight.

So bottom line: Off course the future has to proof it but we believe that in the long run full PoS will be the right decision for our coin if the lead up to its implementation is correct.

Although we have not responded to the last pages of the forum, we did read everybody's opinion carefully and we have observed that the response was very positive.

Our management team is now busy with our coin dev’s to finalize the investigation and the test to make Ultracoin a full PoS coin.
Since nobody has ever done this with a scrypt chacha coin before this needs some time and fine tuning.
If everything goes as planned then the full PoS of Ultracoin will roughly start within one month or so much sooner as possible.

Please stay tuned for more updates !

Regards,
Ultracoin Management Team


PS-1: we want to ask all of you to help and to spread this great news to as much as chat boxes and troll boxes around. Let everybody knows about Ultracoin is going pure and full pos !    


PS-2: We are also busy with the Minecraft plugin, an android wallet and the CoinPayments regulation in web shops so we are trying to take big steps for Ultracoin.





This is not really a surprise.
I had been expecting this.
Frankly speaking, in my opinion, there are not really many other options for UTC.
So to everybody, please look serious to the pros and cons.
I know they are there.
Big pros and big cons.
But look at the long term.
Only reducing blockrewards to 10, 8 or even 5 is not the magic word.
Full pos isn't it also but it is, in my opinion the best for UTC's future.
And about asic resistant... don't believe after the asics arrived everybody will go and mine UTC with their GPU because UTC is so special.
The majority will go and mine at the different x11 multipools that are around and will not even take a look at UTC or the UTC multipool

I personally like to target a high price.
Of course as high as possible.
But stability and continuity for UTC is more important to me.
More important then a high price.
But let us all agree, the price now is to low.
Much to low.

I think/believe full pos brings UTC stability and a higher price.
Hopefully higher as $0,75 or $1 or even higher.
Off course this is only possible if the dev team also go full on Minecraft and the android wallet and finally marketing UTC professional.

Call me a believer.
Call me stupid.
Call me a noob.
But this is what I believe in.

So I support going pure pos !!



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I like the idea of going full POS but only if the Dev's follow thru with the rest of the UTC initiatives they have in the pipeline like the Minecraft app and the Android wallet . Otherwise getting "free" UTC may not be enough of a value proposition in the long term.

So someone explain to me how UTC will be 100% POS but you can still mine it using x11 or does that even matter? Has the decision been made on how the POS will be paid out?

Multipool does not mine UTC, its mines other coins, sells them for BTC, and then buys UTC from exchanges to distribute to its miners.

PoS is basically another way to mine a coin and for transactions to be processed on the blockchain.  Instead of using hardware, you use the amounts of coins you hold in your wallet.  Each stake that occurs is 1 block, and has the same function as PoW block mined with hardware in PoW coin be it SHA, Scrypt or X11.  
The difference in PoS is the block reward is "interest" on how much is staked. It uses the entire input (eg 1 withdrawal to your wallet, that is kept unmoved for a week), which afterward then will take another week (or the min period for staking in coin specifications) before it happens again. So you can see that without some planning, the blockchain and transactions can become very slow or irregular if people are not supporting the network with their own inputs/balances in wallets.  Successful full PoS coins and their holders planned for this advance had good specifications to support Full PoS eg BC has 8 hour min stake age and low interest.

UTC if switched to full PoS would take at least a week before the blockchain got upto speed again as it unlikely there are many who keep their wallets open 24/7 for weekly interest, they only need to open once a week at minimum. So unless preparation is made in advance by holders now or better thought into the specifications and implementation of full PoS, it could really harm UTC network and as a result cause it to further devalue.   Undecided

UTC was created as PoW/PoS coin, and the specifications had it being an investment coin (as it was 1 year for a PoS block to occur) with PoW mining to support blockchain/transactions.  Now i believe that is changed to 1 week, so becoming full PoS is possible but I dont see how it improve the or create more interest in it as a currency.  Imho it would be better to switch the algo for PoW mining to X11 (more ASIC resistant) or Scrypt (better blockchain support from ASICs) with a lower block reward, and keep PoS as it is or adjustments to encourage saving and holding in wallets.  Then multipool and others may buy up larger amounts off exchanges to keep in their wallets, and allow the price to rise steadily.


Thanks a lot for that explanation, I completely forgot that the multipool was mining other coins and not UTC directly so at least now I see why it's a win-win from that perspective. I also agree that just changing UTC to 100% POS alone isn't going to create any demand for it.

Marketing UTC as a currency or investment isn't any different from marketing any other consumer product. Unless the Dev team can explain to people how the latest and ever-changing attributes of UTC 2.0 will benefit THEM or solve their problem/need, then the only thing it's going to be good for is speculation. The transaction speed is great, but unless you can show a specific way to leverage that speed, i.e the Minecraft or game plugin, with the ASIC-resistance compromised, all there is speculation and pump and dumps -full POS or not.



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ULTRACOIN IS GOING FULL POS


REMOVE your sell ORDERS!!!


MY ADVICE :

INDEED REMOVE YOUR SELL ORDERS AND WAIT TILL UTC HITS +0,002 OR +0,003 OR EVEN HIGHER!!!

I BELIEVE THAT IS REALY POSSIBLE ....


You will get terribly sorry and you will slap yourself in the face if you sell cheap now and this really appears to be happening soon....
hero member
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All things are being considered carefully , including the transaction speed
member
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i feel like maybe this is a mistake, it comes across as a last ditch effort

why cant we keep focusing on merchant acceptance, minecraft and wallets? when the multipool was running at peak, there was a very noticeable uptick in price everyday, we were on the right track. i think if we keep promoting the multipool along with the above mentioned projects, we can keep the POW/POS combo.

digit is correct in that just changing the coin to POS without some kind of a node/masternode system is not realistic Sad
legendary
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I like the idea of going full POS but only if the Dev's follow thru with the rest of the UTC initiatives they have in the pipeline like the Minecraft app and the Android wallet . Otherwise getting "free" UTC may not be enough of a value proposition in the long term.

So someone explain to me how UTC will be 100% POS but you can still mine it using x11 or does that even matter? Has the decision been made on how the POS will be paid out?

Multipool does not mine UTC, its mines other coins, sells them for BTC, and then buys UTC from exchanges to distribute to its miners.

PoS is basically another way to mine a coin and for transactions to be processed on the blockchain.  Instead of using hardware, you use the amounts of coins you hold in your wallet.  Each stake that occurs is 1 block, and has the same function as PoW block mined with hardware in PoW coin be it SHA, Scrypt or X11.  
The difference in PoS is the block reward is "interest" on how much is staked. It uses the entire input (eg 1 withdrawal to your wallet, that is kept unmoved for a week), which afterward then will take another week (or the min period for staking in coin specifications) before it happens again. So you can see that without some planning, the blockchain and transactions can become very slow or irregular if people are not supporting the network with their own inputs/balances in wallets.  Successful full PoS coins and their holders planned for this advance had good specifications to support Full PoS eg BC has 8 hour min stake age and low interest.

UTC if switched to full PoS would take at least a week before the blockchain got upto speed again as it unlikely there are many who keep their wallets open 24/7 for weekly interest, they only need to open once a week at minimum. So unless preparation is made in advance by holders now or better thought into the specifications and implementation of full PoS, it could really harm UTC network and as a result cause it to further devalue.   Undecided

UTC was created as PoW/PoS coin, and the specifications had it being an investment coin (as it was 1 year for a PoS block to occur) with PoW mining to support blockchain/transactions.  Now i believe that is changed to 1 week, so becoming full PoS is possible but I dont see how it improve the or create more interest in it as a currency.  Imho it would be better to switch the algo for PoW mining to X11 (more ASIC resistant) or Scrypt (better blockchain support from ASICs) with a lower block reward, and keep PoS as it is or adjustments to encourage saving and holding in wallets.  Then multipool and others may buy up larger amounts off exchanges to keep in their wallets, and allow the price to rise steadily.
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The only people wanting full PoS it seems are those who do not understand what is it and/or are only care about price.  Stable price is better then pump and dumps for a coin that is promoted for arbitrage and fast transfers of value.

That is a nice way to describe 90% of the people who post on this thread.
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