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Topic: ✅ [ANN] [banned mixer] | Bitcoin Mixer | Bitcoin Tumbler | Since 2019 ✴️✴️ - page 10. (Read 4617 times)

copper member
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Suggestion: remove the self-moderated status from this thread. You're in the trust-business, censoring posts doesn't inspire confidence.
You can remove this by moving (bottom-left) this topic to a board that doesn't support self-moderation (I recommend Archival), then moving it back to this board.

Can you sign a message proving ownership of a substantial amount of Bitcoin (close to the maximum you allow to mix)? This doesn't prove everything, but at least it proves you can do what you promise. I've suggested this to many mixers, but so far none of them ever did this. Feel free to PM the signature, I won't post the address but I will post a confirmation of a signed message if you do this.

Thank you very much for the suggestion. I only did it because of the fake scam feedback from the other thread. As we know, they do not stop posting spam (the comment we deleted was one of them).

Do you mean a letter of guarantee or a message when the maximum amount has been reached? You are welcome to send me an PM with more infos  Smiley


I checked the site and there we can add up to 5 different addresses. My question is this if I want to
mix 0.067 BTC then you will send these coins in small chunks to all these addresses and accumlative
sum of all these will be .067? Let me know if I got it correct.

Yes this is corrent. We divide the total amount minus fees between these 5 addresses. However, it is only recommended to use all 5 addresses if you send a higher amount, because you also pay per output address.


All tumbler doesn't disclose their team member and locality details thats understood. I just wanna ask
you that do you have a team that is capable enough to handle this project? You have a team of expert
that has diverse experience or its just a one man show.


Unfortunately we cannot answer this question for security reasons! But we work as a team.


jr. member
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 All tumbler doesn't disclose their team member and locality details thats understood. I just wanna ask
you that do you have a team that is capable enough to handle this project? You have a team of expert
that has diverse experience or its just a one man show.
jr. member
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Crypto Mindset
I checked the site and there we can add up to 5 different addresses. My question is this if I want to
mix 0.067 BTC then you will send these coins in small chunks to all these addresses and accumlative
sum of all these will be .067? Let me know if I got it correct.
legendary
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Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
Suggestion: remove the self-moderated status from this thread. You're in the trust-business, censoring posts doesn't inspire confidence.
You can remove this by moving (bottom-left) this topic to a board that doesn't support self-moderation (I recommend Archival), then moving it back to this board.

Can you sign a message proving ownership of a substantial amount of Bitcoin (close to the maximum you allow to mix)? This doesn't prove everything, but at least it proves you can do what you promise. I've suggested this to many mixers, but so far none of them ever did this. Feel free to PM the signature, I won't post the address but I will post a confirmation of a signed message if you do this.
copper member
Activity: 190
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copper member
Activity: 190
Merit: 145
"Mixing" is a promising business, although it's the hardest field to get trust.
I had a quick look to the website after reading the full topic here. Op you can consider the following notes:
1- I find it too misleading to have backup domains in work. This would make it easy for thiefs to lunch a phishing copy of the website with another extension. Just one official domain in clearnet would be much more safe so users find it easy to ignore all other extensions. This doesn't deny that it's always effecient to reserve as much domains as you can with all other extensions but not necessarly to activate them or use them as backups.
2- Segwit addresses are not supported. You should consider adding them as number of segwit users growth day by day.
3- What is the "mixing power" slide which move if i change the fee rate?
4- This is the first time i see a mixing service asking for donations.
5- Max to send per order is about 24 btc. Do you have enough reserve to accept simultanious orders with some large amounts? Let's say 4 orders each one with 20 btc, can you proceed them simultaniously?


Thanks for your Comment.

1. Our Default Domain is [banned mixer], our Site is locked to this 3 Domains + Tor, Sure, you can always make a phishing copy of any page, but I don't think that's a problem, it's not hard to remember our domains and anyone can check our REAL website with the letter of guarantee before sending coins to the input address.

2. Yes, we didn't use them for a reason, but I put them on our to-do list, thanks.

3. We use different nodes in the background. By default, a blender mixes its coins from other coins from other customers. We also offer coins that are not from Coinomize, higher fees = cleaner coins.

4. We dont ask, the most mixers have an donation address in the Footer, check it self Wink


5. Many mixers use fake amounts (I won't mention the names now), but you can't build trust on fake amounts, that's our opinion.

We have different amounts on different nodes, I can't tell you more for privacy reasons. We grow with all of you and can accept higher amounts later. To your question if 4 people order, everyone gets his mixed coins yes, maybe with more time delay if there are more than 4 users, but just at the beginning i dont think anyone sends 20 BTC Wink but good questions like from you help us to improve our service. We will add a message for the users in case there are too many mixes in progress, where the user can't deposit and has to wait an X time. But of course we always get a message immediately if this would happen.

hero member
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"Mixing" is a promising business, although it's the hardest field to get trust.
I had a quick look to the website after reading the full topic here. Op you can consider the following notes:
1- I find it too misleading to have backup domains in work. This would make it easy for thiefs to lunch a phishing copy of the website with another extension. Just one official domain in clearnet would be much more safe so users find it easy to ignore all other extensions. This doesn't deny that it's always effecient to reserve as much domains as you can with all other extensions but not necessarly to activate them or use them as backups.
2- Segwit addresses are not supported. You should consider adding them as number of segwit users growth day by day.
3- What is the "mixing power" slide which move if i change the fee rate?
4- This is the first time i see a mixing service asking for donations.
5- Max to send per order is about 24 btc. Do you have enough reserve to accept simultanious orders with some large amounts? Let's say 4 orders each one with 20 btc, can you proceed them simultaniously?
copper member
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--snip--
We do not use Cloudflare because of the SSL certificate.
We've checked a few other Bitcoin mixer websites right now, and yes, most of them use Cloudflare, check for yourself Wink

You can use our Tor link if you do not wish to do so.

You mean the Image where you can Download the app? Anyone see it if there click on it.
It's just a standard picture so people know that it's an Android app.


In my country, we have a relatively popular saying, which roughly translates to:
"if all your friends jump into a well, would you follow them?", it basically means: do you think the fact everybody else is making a mistake is an acceptable excuses to make the mistake yourself?

You are providing a service: you are breaking the link between 2 addresses (and by extension wallets), so nobody can connect funds in one wallet to funds in another wallet. This is handy when you try to have some privacy, to protect you against thieves, against beggers, against your family, against (corrupt) governements. When you use cloudflare, you are giving all cloudflare employees, potential hackers and several 3 letter agencies the "key" to your service. You're allowing them to link your customer's wallets together, and that's not acceptable. Sure, you have a hidden service, but be realistic: how many newbies will actually know the dangers behind cloudflare AND have the technical knowhow to install the tor proxy and use the tor browser?

It doesn't matter if the primary reason for using cloudflare is DDos protection, you're still using cloudflares SSL certificates... If DDos attacks are problematic for you, there are other sollutions (altough, they are commercial, so they're not free... Remember: "if something is free, you are the product")

Every time i see a mixer using cloudflare (and you are right, many of them are using cloudflare) i point this out, and 90% of the time i get the exact same answer as you're giving me... Sure, most mixers make the mistake of including a MITM in their workflow, that still doesn't make this right...

Great mixers don't use cloudflare's ssl or include thirth party scripts. Mixers that do use cloudflare's SSL are good enough to hide how much BTC you own for common thieves, beggers and nosy relatives... But NOT for cybercriminals, cloudflare employees or (corrupt) governements.

I'm going to stop posting here... I've given you enough advise, advise i've given many mixers... It's up to you if you want to say "i use cloudflare, live with it, case closed" or if you want to investigate why using cloudflare and thirth party scripts is actually a bad thing, and make your mixer safer for your customers.

Good luck with your business!

Thanks for your feedback Smiley If it should be a problem and other people think so too, we will gladly add it to our todo list.

We have seen too much scam in the form of Coin Mixers, is this just another scam?
How can I be sure that its not a scam rather a legitimate project where my BTC will be safe? I will use it only if I came to know that it's real and for that I need genuine proofs.


I think @LeGaulois answered your Question Wink
It is very hard for a new website, we have to fight against fake feedback or scam reports from competitors in the beginning.
I think trust is created over time. You are welcome to test small amounts.


To avail your referral program I have to use your service also? If I mix my BTC from your site only then I can avail your referral program or I can use otherwise also.

No of course not, you only need a Bitcoin address to participate in our partner program. You do not need to place an order on our site.

jr. member
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PM for Ann Thread Service
To avail your referral program I have to use your service also? If I mix my BTC from your site only then I can avail your referral program or I can use otherwise also.
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Top Crypto Casino
We have seen too much scam in the form of Coin Mixers, is this just another scam?
How can I be sure that its not a scam rather a legitimate project where my BTC will be safe? I will use it only if I came to know that it's real and for that I need genuine proofs.


All Bitcoin mixers start with no reputation, they can't be considered "trusted" within a week. You already start with a negative attitude.

Secondly, if you need genuine proof test it yourself. That's what a lot of people do with small transactions to see. You can not expect to have people put the spoon on your mouth directly without doing anything. People are so lazy

legendary
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https://merel.mobi => buy facemasks with BTC/LTC
--snip--
We do not use Cloudflare because of the SSL certificate.
We've checked a few other Bitcoin mixer websites right now, and yes, most of them use Cloudflare, check for yourself Wink

You can use our Tor link if you do not wish to do so.

You mean the Image where you can Download the app? Anyone see it if there click on it.
It's just a standard picture so people know that it's an Android app.


In my country, we have a relatively popular saying, which roughly translates to:
"if all your friends jump into a well, would you follow them?", it basically means: do you think the fact everybody else is making a mistake is an acceptable excuses to make the mistake yourself?

You are providing a service: you are breaking the link between 2 addresses (and by extension wallets), so nobody can connect funds in one wallet to funds in another wallet. This is handy when you try to have some privacy, to protect you against thieves, against beggers, against your family, against (corrupt) governements. When you use cloudflare, you are giving all cloudflare employees, potential hackers and several 3 letter agencies the "key" to your service. You're allowing them to link your customer's wallets together, and that's not acceptable. Sure, you have a hidden service, but be realistic: how many newbies will actually know the dangers behind cloudflare AND have the technical knowhow to install the tor proxy and use the tor browser?

It doesn't matter if the primary reason for using cloudflare is DDos protection, you're still using cloudflares SSL certificates... If DDos attacks are problematic for you, there are other sollutions (altough, they are commercial, so they're not free... Remember: "if something is free, you are the product")

Every time i see a mixer using cloudflare (and you are right, many of them are using cloudflare) i point this out, and 90% of the time i get the exact same answer as you're giving me... Sure, most mixers make the mistake of including a MITM in their workflow, that still doesn't make this right...

Great mixers don't use cloudflare's ssl or include thirth party scripts. Mixers that do use cloudflare's SSL are good enough to hide how much BTC you own for common thieves, beggers and nosy relatives... But NOT for cybercriminals, cloudflare employees or (corrupt) governements.

I'm going to stop posting here... I've given you enough advise, advise i've given many mixers... It's up to you if you want to say "i use cloudflare, live with it, case closed" or if you want to investigate why using cloudflare and thirth party scripts is actually a bad thing, and make your mixer safer for your customers.

Good luck with your business!
jr. member
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We have seen too much scam in the form of Coin Mixers, is this just another scam?
How can I be sure that its not a scam rather a legitimate project where my BTC will be safe? I will use it only if I came to know that it's real and for that I need genuine proofs.
copper member
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How much time it takes to process an order and what if I need some support. Whats the response time of your support?

You determine this time yourself (you can enter any time during the ordering process). One confirmation is required and you must wait for this 1 Blockchain confirmation if you have selected "Instant", for example.

You can open a support ticket on our website and we will answer it within 24 hours.
copper member
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I like the design of site, not too much irrelevant information. Do you have some innovative feature or its just an ordinary bitcoin mixer?

Thanks Smiley Just check out our Website. We offer an Android App, Modern Design, up to 5 Bitcoin Addresses and a lot more cool things.



--snip--
There is nothing wrong with using cloudflare.
For non privacy-centric sites, you are correct. However, if you use cloudflare's SSL certificates, cloudflare will be able to decrypt every package sent between your user and your server, since they're a MITM. They decrypt every package, and re-encrypt it with your server's certificate.
Cloudflare is located in the US, a country where any agency can gain access to these logs in a matter of hours.

If you switch to an x3 certificate, your users are immediately safe. letsencrypt is providing these certificates for free...

This also protects our site from DDOS attacks and many other attacks and is used by many websites.
True, but you're trading convenience for privacy...

Google Play Store of course does not accept this kind of app;)
True, but in this case you shouldn't indicate you're sending your visitors to the play store... If the link clearly said you were locally hosting the apk, things would have been ok...

I think most sites on the WWW use third party scripts to analyze traffic or for marketing. You also need some Tools for Index it, e.g. on Google.
Sure, but privacy-centered services like mixers shouldn't... I've use matomo in the past, coupled with anonimised server logs they should do the trick.


Basically, your site sends all information about all visitors to a US based company. If they wanted to track one of your users, they could request all data sent between your user and your server from cloudflare, and all other statistics from google statics. They would end up knowing the funding transactions, the withdrawal transactions, the letter of guarantee, the ip's, the browser fingerprint, where your visitor came from, where your visitor went to



We do not use Cloudflare because of the SSL certificate.
We've checked a few other Bitcoin mixer websites right now, and yes, most of them use Cloudflare, check for yourself Wink

You can use our Tor link if you do not wish to do so.

You mean the Image where you can Download the app? Anyone see it if there click on it.
It's just a standard picture so people know that it's an Android app.
jr. member
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How much time it takes to process an order and what if I need some support. Whats the response time of your support?
legendary
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https://merel.mobi => buy facemasks with BTC/LTC
--snip--
There is nothing wrong with using cloudflare.
For non privacy-centric sites, you are correct. However, if you use cloudflare's SSL certificates, cloudflare will be able to decrypt every package sent between your user and your server, since they're a MITM. They decrypt every package, and re-encrypt it with your server's certificate.
Cloudflare is located in the US, a country where any agency can gain access to these logs in a matter of hours.

If you switch to an x3 certificate, your users are immediately safe. letsencrypt is providing these certificates for free...

This also protects our site from DDOS attacks and many other attacks and is used by many websites.
True, but you're trading convenience for privacy...

Google Play Store of course does not accept this kind of app;)
True, but in this case you shouldn't indicate you're sending your visitors to the play store... If the link clearly said you were locally hosting the apk, things would have been ok...

I think most sites on the WWW use third party scripts to analyze traffic or for marketing. You also need some Tools for Index it, e.g. on Google.
Sure, but privacy-centered services like mixers shouldn't... I've use matomo in the past, coupled with anonimised server logs they should do the trick.


Basically, your site sends all information about all visitors to a US based company. If they wanted to track one of your users, they could request all data sent between your user and your server from cloudflare, and all other statistics from google statics. They would end up knowing the funding transactions, the withdrawal transactions, the letter of guarantee, the ip's, the browser fingerprint, where your visitor came from, where your visitor went to
jr. member
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I like the design of site, not too much irrelevant information. Do you have some innovative feature or its just an ordinary bitcoin mixer?
copper member
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Your fee is 1% to 5%. How this fee is distributed? More BTC we send you for mixing less will be its fee or its vice versa?

Thank you for your interest. The fees can be chosen by yourself and remain the same no matter what amount is sent depending on the percentage you have chosen.


I had a quick look, and at first glance i noticed following issues:
  • Cloudflare's SSL is acting as a MITM
  • The link to the google play store is just linking to an apk outside of the play store. That's very deceptive
  • Missing security headers: Content-Security-Policy, Feature-Policy
  • Loads of thirth party scripts, including but not limited to google analytics

I know, i'm wearing a competitor's signature... That being said, i do use other services for mixing my coins, but none that are using cloudflare's ssl, are incorrectly labelling links as going to the playstore or mixers that send all my data to google in any way.

Don't get me wrong, i have no idear wether you're a scam or not... But you defenately have a lot of homework to do before you can open your service for business


Thanks for your Feedback!
There is nothing wrong with using cloudflare. Just use our Tor link for more privacy.
This also protects our site from DDOS attacks and many other attacks and is used by many websites.

Google Play Store of course does not accept this kind of app;)

I think most sites on the WWW use third party scripts to analyze traffic or for marketing. You also need some Tools for Index it, e.g. on Google.

Thanks, solved!

We are happy about an Support Ticket:)
legendary
Activity: 3346
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https://merel.mobi => buy facemasks with BTC/LTC
I had a quick look, and at first glance i noticed following issues:
  • Cloudflare's SSL is acting as a MITM
  • The link to the google play store is just linking to an apk outside of the play store. That's very deceptive
  • Missing security headers: Content-Security-Policy, Feature-Policy
  • Loads of thirth party scripts, including but not limited to google analytics

I know, i'm wearing a competitor's signature... That being said, i do use other services for mixing my coins, but none that are using cloudflare's ssl, are incorrectly labelling links as going to the playstore or mixers that send all my data to google in any way.

Don't get me wrong, i have no idear wether you're a scam or not... But you defenately have a lot of homework to do before you can open your service for business
jr. member
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Your fee is 1% to 5%. How this fee is distributed? More BTC we send you for mixing less will be its fee or its vice versa?
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