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Today I saw a lot of marketing articles about "BCH", which is good because it means more people will know about BCH


BCH is so far the most popular bitcoin fork. I believe more and more people will get to know it.
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Today I saw a lot of marketing articles about "BCH", which is good because it means more people will know about BCH
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And before you say about locking up your BTC for weeks or months this is not the case you can close a channel and put your BTC back on chain at ANY time at the click of a button I have opened a channel sent maybe 0or so of transactions for the tiniest amount and closed it putting funds back on chain within an hour from start to finish including waiting for confirmations

LN has not been activated yet, so your saying how the vaporware works is speculation , as a final released version may be changed.

If you open a channel with someone and send them funds and then say you can cancel immediately.
You basically saying you can double spend at will and steal your money back.
So you might want to rethink that.   LOL.


╥Aztek



The specifications already are finalised and being used on the real chain

And no you cannot just close and double spend because when you closed the final balance is settled not the one you opened

Say I open for 1BTC with you and then send you 0.5BTC over LN and then close the channel we both then get 0.5BTC settled back into our wallets this is not double spending you are closing the channel in its current state not the state it was opened with

BTW here is a real in chain transaction https://twitter.com/alexbosworth/status/946175898029395968

It's closed for everyone to use right now and no mainnet GUI wallets they are all still locked to testnet but that will change once the public release candidate is released for everyone to use

 
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ididnt cut anything lol,
where did you say it before? lol
ahh i see it now...BECAUSE YOU FKN EDITED IT AFTER I QUOTED YOU ...duh
reduces fees to nothing....you talking about segwit?lightining ?thunder?

I added it straight away and you replied like 5 mins after I edited that's why I asked

No im talking about you all going on about sub cent fees which last I checked Bcash was now up to 10c per transaction on average so rising already but once block rewards have gone 99% will be gone in 10 years then all miners can earn are fees and with such low fees the miners won't earn anything so why would miners that are incentified by rewards push for a chain that will be dropping their mining rewards without alternative motives

so your saying, when btc/bch stops being mined the miners need high fees...this is a blockstream saying from a while back, i remember it well.
they give us high fees now to prepare us for when the blocks stop getting mined..like in 100years time i think, not 10yrs.
basically what you are calling a problem isnt a problem for a very very long time.

No I said 99% will be gone in 10 years with the further 1% going over the next 100 years were at about 80% now

So there are several possible outcomes

1. The fees will start getting really high really fast (Unlikely with unlimited blockspace as proposed)
2. Miners just start abandoning for the higher profitability coin and leave BCH weak and dying or refusing to mine low fee transactions forcing higher fees
3. With unlimited blocks and more centralised nodes in the hands of the miners they will force a higher total supply printing money at will inflating way past the 21m cap (Possible)

The miners/creators of BCH are not thinking about long term just what they can get now and as fast as possible

What are your thoughts on when the mining rewards start dwindling away and relying on fees what will happen


what are my thoughts on miners fees after 10years and up too the next 100years?
2028-2128....hmmm damn thats a long time away....im sure alot will happen by then....tbh i dont know except it has to it evolve...as it currently has into BCH  Smiley
To give us a slow and extremly high fee service today is your solution on old btc chain...i think your trying to solve something that doesnt exist.
i prefer the way BCH is doing it...nakamoto styleee  Wink

Temporary slow and its not really slow its just more expensive but like you say a lot can happen but as a system for trading $1 to $1,000,000 and more is it fair that the people needing to use $1 has to be forced to the same fee structure as those sending thousands and millions when the small transactions can be taken off the chain and used for practically free for a much smaller cost of doing just a single on the chain transaction while those that need to store and send thousands can do it on chain and pay towards the miners fees without forcing the tiny transactions into the same class

And before you say about locking up your BTC for weeks or months this is not the case you can close a channel and put your BTC back on chain at ANY time at the click of a button I have opened a channel sent maybe 20 or so of transactions for the tiniest amount and closed it putting funds back on chain within an hour from start to finish including waiting for confirmations

legendary
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^
ididnt cut anything lol,
where did you say it before? lol
ahh i see it now...BECAUSE YOU FKN EDITED IT AFTER I QUOTED YOU ...duh
reduces fees to nothing....you talking about segwit?lightining ?thunder?

I added it straight away and you replied like 5 mins after I edited that's why I asked

No im talking about you all going on about sub cent fees which last I checked Bcash was now up to 10c per transaction on average so rising already but once block rewards have gone 99% will be gone in 10 years then all miners can earn are fees and with such low fees the miners won't earn anything so why would miners that are incentified by rewards push for a chain that will be dropping their mining rewards without alternative motives

so your saying, when btc/bch stops being mined the miners need high fees...this is a blockstream saying from a while back, i remember it well.
they give us high fees now to prepare us for when the blocks stop getting mined..like in 100years time i think, not 10yrs.
basically what you are calling a problem isnt a problem for a very very long time.

No I said 99% will be gone in 10 years with the further 1% going over the next 100 years were at about 80% now

So there are several possible outcomes

1. The fees will start getting really high really fast (Unlikely with unlimited blockspace as proposed)
2. Miners just start abandoning for the higher profitability coin and leave BCH weak and dying or refusing to mine low fee transactions forcing higher fees
3. With unlimited blocks and more centralised nodes in the hands of the miners they will force a higher total supply printing money at will inflating way past the 21m cap (Possible)

The miners/creators of BCH are not thinking about long term just what they can get now and as fast as possible

What are your thoughts on when the mining rewards start dwindling away and relying on fees what will happen


what are my thoughts on miners fees after 10years and up too the next 100years?
2028-2128....hmmm damn thats a long time away....im sure alot will happen by then....tbh i dont know except it has to it evolve...as it currently has into BCH  Smiley
To give us a slow and extremly high fee service today is your solution on old btc chain...i think your trying to solve something that doesnt exist.
i prefer the way BCH is doing it...nakamoto styleee  Wink

let me ask you something...
since segwit is now permanently part of old btc chain, is it fair that it keeps the ticker/name?
tbh it should be btcsegwit1x or something to help people identify what it actually is.
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ididnt cut anything lol,
where did you say it before? lol
ahh i see it now...BECAUSE YOU FKN EDITED IT AFTER I QUOTED YOU ...duh
reduces fees to nothing....you talking about segwit?lightining ?thunder?

I added it straight away and you replied like 5 mins after I edited that's why I asked

No im talking about you all going on about sub cent fees which last I checked Bcash was now up to 10c per transaction on average so rising already but once block rewards have gone 99% will be gone in 10 years then all miners can earn are fees and with such low fees the miners won't earn anything so why would miners that are incentified by rewards push for a chain that will be dropping their mining rewards without alternative motives

so your saying, when btc/bch stops being mined the miners need high fees...this is a blockstream saying from a while back, i remember it well.
they give us high fees now to prepare us for when the blocks stop getting mined..like in 100years time i think, not 10yrs.
basically what you are calling a problem isnt a problem for a very very long time.

No I said 99% will be gone in 10 years with the further 1% going over the next 100 years were at about 80% now

So there are several possible outcomes

1. The fees will start getting really high really fast (Unlikely with unlimited blockspace as proposed)
2. Miners just start abandoning for the higher profitability coin and leave BCH weak and dying or refusing to mine low fee transactions forcing higher fees
3. With unlimited blocks and more centralised nodes in the hands of the miners they will force a higher total supply printing money at will inflating way past the 21m cap (Possible)

The miners/creators of BCH are not thinking about long term just what they can get now and as fast as possible

What are your thoughts on when the mining rewards start dwindling away and relying on fees what will happen

legendary
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ididnt cut anything lol,
where did you say it before? lol
ahh i see it now...BECAUSE YOU FKN EDITED IT AFTER I QUOTED YOU ...duh
reduces fees to nothing....you talking about segwit?lightining ?thunder?

I added it straight away and you replied like 5 mins after I edited that's why I asked

No im talking about you all going on about sub cent fees which last I checked Bcash was now up to 10c per transaction on average so rising already but once block rewards have gone 99% will be gone in 10 years then all miners can earn are fees and with such low fees the miners won't earn anything so why would miners that are incentified by rewards push for a chain that will be dropping their mining rewards without alternative motives

so your saying, when btc/bch stops being mined the miners need high fees...this is a blockstream saying from a while back, i remember it well.
they give us high fees now to prepare us for when the blocks stop getting mined..like in 100years time i think, not 10yrs.
basically what you are calling a problem isnt a problem for a very very long time.
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^
ididnt cut anything lol,
where did you say it before? lol
ahh i see it now...BECAUSE YOU FKN EDITED IT AFTER I QUOTED YOU ...duh
reduces fees to nothing....you talking about segwit?lightining ?thunder?

I added it straight away and you replied like 5 mins after I edited that's why I asked

No im talking about you all going on about sub cent fees which last I checked Bcash was now up to 10c per transaction on average so rising already but once block rewards have gone 99% will be gone in 10 years then all miners can earn are fees and with such low fees the miners won't earn anything so why would miners that are incentified by rewards push for a chain that will be dropping their mining rewards without alternative motives
legendary
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^
ididnt cut anything lol,
where did you say it before? lol
ahh i see it now...BECAUSE YOU FKN EDITED IT AFTER I QUOTED YOU ...duh
reduces fees to nothing....you talking about segwit?lightining ?thunder?
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lots of  red as expected, but i dont think it wil last long, the market held very nicely above $500bill  Smiley


BCH is cheap now, im buying more. ...i see btc $$ coming into BCH.
...if it goes lower ill keep buying  Smiley

BCH is btc guys...the sooner everyone wakes up and realises the better.
Its the true fork, BCH forked 1 day before segwit infected and basically killed off the old slow btc chain.

btc was needing upgraded, the only way was to hardfork,however for the first time, the old fork kept the name and ticker...but for how long?

as more value & infrastructure comes into BCH , it will eventually become the true upgraded bitcoin  (cheaper,faster and private)
the old chain will fade away and will become an alt coin called segwit1x
 like when eth forked off from the dao and the old eth chain became etc while the new chain continued as eth.

BUY , ACCUMULATE AND HODL BCH
2018, 1 BCH= $25K+
 Cool Kiss


ETH Officially upgraded (Like SegWit) but a small group didn't like the upgrade (Like Bcash community) therefore released ETC (Like Bcash) causing a minority chain

The same happened when Bcash Upgraded (New DAA) a small group did not like the change (Clashic Community) therefore went of on their own (Bitcoin Clashic) causing a minority chain

Fun Fact the Clashic chain is now ahead of the Bcash chain in blocks but way behind in accumulated difficulty just the same as Bcash is ahead of Bitcoin in blocks but way behind in accumulated difficulty




wrong wrong wrong
trust me, i know exactly what happned with eth and how etc came about, i was in the thick of it...check me old posts if you want.
eth forked and took its name with it, etc kept the old chain but not the name.

you still havent told me if your part of adams shill team?
tbh im convinced you are somehow involved with blockstream, you have been here from day1 in this thread only and never have anything positive to say for BCH..why?
who the fk spends 4months daily on a thread to fud?  
are you adam? lols   im mean you could be , i hear gmaxwell is lauda. is this what you guys do instead of working as devs...you troll forums fulltime?

Yes ETH forked and took the name but it was an official fork just like when Bcash went with the new DAA and left clashic the point was it was official and not some disgruntled miners

I have nothing to do with blockstream and im far from here daily ive barely been here recently and in the time ive not this place has been pretty much dead


eth fork was official because the community was and is behind the great dev team and its a combined effort to make eth hardforks work smoothly.

btc hardfork was not easy with so many factions in the whole community and no natural leader(satoshi gone)
blockstream were given a chance, they were given time...in the end no one is happy about what the have done to btc.
It will take a bit off time but eventually everyone will understand how and why forks are essential to crypto upgrades...
and if the newer fork has a bigger community backing then it gets the old forks..name,value and infrastructure....as it always has been on all crypto coins.


Why did you feel the need to cut this line from my replies and totally ignore it like it was not there ?

It's already been proved over and over that miners are fueled by mining whatever coin is most profitable so ask yourself WHY would the miners try and fork off to a coin that reduces fees to nothing (their profits) without an alternative motive behind it
legendary
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lots of  red as expected, but i dont think it wil last long, the market held very nicely above $500bill  Smiley


BCH is cheap now, im buying more. ...i see btc $$ coming into BCH.
...if it goes lower ill keep buying  Smiley

BCH is btc guys...the sooner everyone wakes up and realises the better.
Its the true fork, BCH forked 1 day before segwit infected and basically killed off the old slow btc chain.

btc was needing upgraded, the only way was to hardfork,however for the first time, the old fork kept the name and ticker...but for how long?

as more value & infrastructure comes into BCH , it will eventually become the true upgraded bitcoin  (cheaper,faster and private)
the old chain will fade away and will become an alt coin called segwit1x
 like when eth forked off from the dao and the old eth chain became etc while the new chain continued as eth.

BUY , ACCUMULATE AND HODL BCH
2018, 1 BCH= $25K+
 Cool Kiss


ETH Officially upgraded (Like SegWit) but a small group didn't like the upgrade (Like Bcash community) therefore released ETC (Like Bcash) causing a minority chain

The same happened when Bcash Upgraded (New DAA) a small group did not like the change (Clashic Community) therefore went of on their own (Bitcoin Clashic) causing a minority chain

Fun Fact the Clashic chain is now ahead of the Bcash chain in blocks but way behind in accumulated difficulty just the same as Bcash is ahead of Bitcoin in blocks but way behind in accumulated difficulty




wrong wrong wrong
trust me, i know exactly what happned with eth and how etc came about, i was in the thick of it...check me old posts if you want.
eth forked and took its name with it, etc kept the old chain but not the name.

you still havent told me if your part of adams shill team?
tbh im convinced you are somehow involved with blockstream, you have been here from day1 in this thread only and never have anything positive to say for BCH..why?
who the fk spends 4months daily on a thread to fud?  
are you adam? lols   im mean you could be , i hear gmaxwell is lauda. is this what you guys do instead of working as devs...you troll forums fulltime?

Yes ETH forked and took the name but it was an official fork just like when Bcash went with the new DAA and left clashic the point was it was official and not some disgruntled miners

I have nothing to do with blockstream and im far from here daily ive barely been here recently and in the time ive not this place has been pretty much dead


eth fork was official because the community was and is behind the great dev team and its a combined effort to make eth hardforks work smoothly.

btc hardfork was not easy with so many factions in the whole community and no natural leader(satoshi gone)
blockstream were given a chance, they were given time...in the end no one is happy about what the have done to btc.
It will take a bit off time but eventually everyone will understand how and why forks are essential to crypto upgrades...
and if the newer fork has a bigger community backing then it gets the old forks..name,value and infrastructure....as it always has been on all crypto coins.
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Great article. The only thing I’d mention is that ASICBOOST is neither patented nor discovered by Jihan/Bitmain. Timo Hanke and Sergio Lerner hold the patent, and Bitmain used it without their knowledge or approval.
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lots of  red as expected, but i dont think it wil last long, the market held very nicely above $500bill  Smiley


BCH is cheap now, im buying more. ...i see btc $$ coming into BCH.
...if it goes lower ill keep buying  Smiley

BCH is btc guys...the sooner everyone wakes up and realises the better.
Its the true fork, BCH forked 1 day before segwit infected and basically killed off the old slow btc chain.

btc was needing upgraded, the only way was to hardfork,however for the first time, the old fork kept the name and ticker...but for how long?

as more value & infrastructure comes into BCH , it will eventually become the true upgraded bitcoin  (cheaper,faster and private)
the old chain will fade away and will become an alt coin called segwit1x
 like when eth forked off from the dao and the old eth chain became etc while the new chain continued as eth.

BUY , ACCUMULATE AND HODL BCH
2018, 1 BCH= $25K+
 Cool Kiss


ETH Officially upgraded (Like SegWit) but a small group didn't like the upgrade (Like Bcash community) therefore released ETC (Like Bcash) causing a minority chain

The same happened when Bcash Upgraded (New DAA) a small group did not like the change (Clashic Community) therefore went of on their own (Bitcoin Clashic) causing a minority chain

Fun Fact the Clashic chain is now ahead of the Bcash chain in blocks but way behind in accumulated difficulty just the same as Bcash is ahead of Bitcoin in blocks but way behind in accumulated difficulty




wrong wrong wrong
trust me, i know exactly what happned with eth and how etc came about, i was in the thick of it...check me old posts if you want.
eth forked and took its name with it, etc kept the old chain but not the name.

you still havent told me if your part of adams shill team?
tbh im convinced you are somehow involved with blockstream, you have been here from day1 in this thread only and never have anything positive to say for BCH..why?
who the fk spends 4months daily on a thread to fud?  
are you adam? lols   im mean you could be , i hear gmaxwell is lauda. is this what you guys do instead of working as devs...you troll forums fulltime?

Yes ETH forked and took the name but it was an official fork just like when Bcash went with the new DAA and left clashic the point was it was official and not some disgruntled miners

I have nothing to do with blockstream and im far from here daily ive barely been here recently and in the time ive not this place has been pretty much dead

It's already been proved over and over that miners are fueled by mining whatever coin is most profitable so ask yourself WHY would the miners try and fork off to a coin that reduces fees to nothing (their profits) without an alternative motive behind it

legendary
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lots of  red as expected, but i dont think it wil last long, the market held very nicely above $500bill  Smiley


BCH is cheap now, im buying more. ...i see btc $$ coming into BCH.
...if it goes lower ill keep buying  Smiley

BCH is btc guys...the sooner everyone wakes up and realises the better.
Its the true fork, BCH forked 1 day before segwit infected and basically killed off the old slow btc chain.

btc was needing upgraded, the only way was to hardfork,however for the first time, the old fork kept the name and ticker...but for how long?

as more value & infrastructure comes into BCH , it will eventually become the true upgraded bitcoin  (cheaper,faster and private)
the old chain will fade away and will become an alt coin called segwit1x
 like when eth forked off from the dao and the old eth chain became etc while the new chain continued as eth.

BUY , ACCUMULATE AND HODL BCH
2018, 1 BCH= $25K+
 Cool Kiss


ETH Officially upgraded (Like SegWit) but a small group didn't like the upgrade (Like Bcash community) therefore released ETC (Like Bcash) causing a minority chain

The same happened when Bcash Upgraded (New DAA) a small group did not like the change (Clashic Community) therefore went of on their own (Bitcoin Clashic) causing a minority chain

Fun Fact the Clashic chain is now ahead of the Bcash chain in blocks but way behind in accumulated difficulty just the same as Bcash is ahead of Bitcoin in blocks but way behind in accumulated difficulty




wrong wrong wrong
Firstly segwit is not an upgrade,. we have discussed this many times, you know its not.
trust me, i know exactly what happned with eth and how etc came about, i was in the thick of it...check me old posts if you want.
eth forked and took its name with it, etc kept the old chain but not the name.

you still havent told me if your part of adams shill team?
tbh im convinced you are somehow involved with blockstream, you have been here from day1 in this thread only and never have anything positive to say for BCH..why?
who the fk spends 4months daily on a thread to fud?  
are you adam? lols   im mean you could be , i hear gmaxwell is lauda. is this what you guys do instead of working as devs...you troll forums fulltime?
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lots of  red as expected, but i dont think it wil last long, the market held very nicely above $500bill  Smiley


BCH is cheap now, im buying more. ...i see btc $$ coming into BCH.
...if it goes lower ill keep buying  Smiley

BCH is btc guys...the sooner everyone wakes up and realises the better.
Its the true fork, BCH forked 1 day before segwit infected and basically killed off the old slow btc chain.

btc was needing upgraded, the only way was to hardfork,however for the first time, the old fork kept the name and ticker...but for how long?

as more value & infrastructure comes into BCH , it will eventually become the true upgraded bitcoin  (cheaper,faster and private)
the old chain will fade away and will become an alt coin called segwit1x
 like when eth forked off from the dao and the old eth chain became etc while the new chain continued as eth.

BUY , ACCUMULATE AND HODL BCH
2018, 1 BCH= $25K+
  Cool Kiss


ETH Officially upgraded (Like SegWit) but a small group didn't like the upgrade (Like Bcash community) therefore released ETC (Like Bcash) causing a minority chain

The same happened when Bcash Upgraded (New DAA) a small group did not like the change (Clashic Community) therefore went of on their own (Bitcoin Clashic) causing a minority chain

Fun Fact the Clashic chain is now ahead of the Bcash chain in blocks but way behind in accumulated difficulty just the same as Bcash is ahead of Bitcoin in blocks but way behind in accumulated difficulty



legendary
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lots of  red as expected, but i dont think it wil last long, the market held very nicely above $500bill  Smiley


BCH is cheap now, im buying more. ...i see btc $$ coming into BCH.
...if it goes lower ill keep buying  Smiley

BCH is btc guys...the sooner everyone wakes up and realises the better.
Its the true fork, BCH forked 1 day before segwit infected and basically killed off the old slow btc chain.

btc was needing upgraded, the only way was to hardfork,however for the first time, the old fork kept the name and ticker...but for how long?

as more value & infrastructure comes into BCH , it will eventually become the true upgraded bitcoin  (cheaper,faster and private)
the old chain will fade away and will become an alt coin called segwit1x
 like when eth forked off from the dao and the old eth chain became etc while the new chain continued as eth.

BUY , ACCUMULATE AND HODL BCH
2018, 1 BCH= $25K+
  Cool Kiss
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I just find the name just so convenient.

This Bitcoin copy is not created on its merits, it NEEDS the name Bitcoin in it to give it legs. Ver has insisted on this in his mindless clip and my God he shows absolutely zero professionalism...ZERO.

If the coin was so good it could be called underpantsgnome coin or zip coin and survive on its own merits.

It seems to now have served its purpose at the expense of others, but benefited the antagonists.

Its only a matter of time it will sink back into obscurity and be the base of so many more memes, and if you had just used some individual name people would at least give the merit it deserves due to its individuality.

With all the FUD coming out about this Bcash with Coinbase and CNBC, its digging its own grave.

This all could have been avoided if an individual name was used, but now everyone can see the play on the name was deliberate, the collusion that then ensued as well, will end this clone.

BTW i got dibs on the underpantsgome coin so dont steal that!!!  Cheesy Grin

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Hello dear bitcoin cash comunity,
When will the swap from bitcoin to bitcoin cash happen? I haveheard of a friend of mine that the devs of btc are planing to shut btc down and swap the marketcap to bitcoin cash.

I heard off a friend that roger and jihan are on the verge of selling all their bcash because it has not fulfilled all the dreams and forefeight

fees are very high already, this is nothing close to what you could expect to use daily. no wonder bch is going down

This is some of the poorest trolling I've ever seen. BCH fees are a spec of dust on the skyscraper of BTC's fees.

And tek, you "heard from a friend"? LOL, that's so lame. Buddy I think it's time to accept that the ship has sailed. And you may want to consider dumping a little BTC before it really tanks...

BCH/BTC exchange rate is not bad now, it's not too late to join the future.

I heard from Brian Armstrong  Conbase is going to de list BCH  for all the trouble it caused and then flopped like the limp dick Ver con.
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You know what's real fast and easy to buy coffee with ? Visa/MasterCard..  plus it works EVERYWHERE.
 This is an alt coin board..stop shilling your core crap over here we are alts..not original. Grin
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NYSE has filed for 2 BTC ETF's ( market cap of 23 trillion) but no mention of bcash why?
I guess BCH is only regarded as a fork of bitcoin, even though it is the most successful one.

BCH is way better than BTC, even if Bitcin is still the king because of the huge community and the infrastructure. But is useless for daily use as I can't buy a coffee with it.. Is just a store of value. I hope that Bitcoin Cash will resolve this issue and that we all use BCH daily in the future.

have you checked waves.. its way more faster than BCH and BTC and even ETH

Or how about the coins that are instant transaction and zero fees? Like Byteball, like RaiBlock, and like IOTA. These coins already have features that can overthrow BTC but yet they probably most likely won't. Same for BCH.

There is also Bitcoin Cash https://medium.com/@nopara73/presenting-bitcoin-cash-semi-centralized-bitcoin-pegged-scalable-instant-anonymous-electronic-7e5c65e464ca
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