[ANN] Bitfury ASIC sales in EU and Europe - page 20.

punin

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1. I don't set the price so please stop calling me greedy. You guys don't seem to realize what I've gone through to deliver you machines on time that made you ROI a long time ago. I've worked my ass off since july to make this happen. It makes me sad that it's all so quickly forgotten due to the exact thing you're now accusing me of.

2. Before you start calling people greedy, think what would you do in Tytus's place. He has hardware than makes shitloads of money for him. Would you sell your miner even to your friend who really-really wants to start mining at the price you paid in september? All of you have made ROI with our hardware. Now you want MOAR. And you want even faster ROI and MOARMOARMOAR. There's a name for this kind of mentality Wink

3. The primary reason why we don't have hardware to sell is the shortage of chips. Not too long ago people were complaining 15€ per chip is too expensive and that our hardware is too expensive. This sends a signal to manufacturer that there's no market for the product. This is why we didn't do large volume production, but only produced enough for Tytus's mine which is based on the new H-card, so no chips were left for old H-cards.

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Quote from: rammy2k2 on December 06, 2013, 04:28:43 AM

makes no sense to order 30 GH for 850 EUR + VAT , it will never make ROI , unless BTC will double its value ...
the ugliest part here is, that WE KNOW these boards cand be sold for 250 EUR - 300 EUR, with profit included for manufacturer, and now they just added a extra 600 EUR for them ... dissapointed, if it this was BFL, i would understand ...

H-cards would also make good profit for manufacturer if sold for less than 50 EUR. But it this oldest law of market. Supply and demand.

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makes no sense to order 30 GH for 850 EUR + VAT , it will never make ROI , unless BTC will double its value ...
the ugliest part here is, that WE KNOW these boards cand be sold for 250 EUR - 300 EUR, with profit included for manufacturer, and now they just added a extra 600 EUR for them ... dissapointed, if it this was BFL, i would understand ...

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Quote from: greaterninja on December 06, 2013, 01:58:22 AM

850 euros for one H-card is a joke. not only that, the h-cards usually take some tuning and lots of maintenance to have consistently good yields.

I think I will stick to litecoin mining and bitmain's antminers now on. I will probably then go onto KNC.

It is very sad that Tytus, Punin and Buzzdave have become so greedy that we cannot populate our starter kits without significantly more financial contribution.

FYI, buzzdave is talking about 60 day roi. Antminer right now does 31 day overclocked and is a lot more stable.

Don't even let me get into the shit show on how picostocks was handled or how dividends and balances are still missing after several days.

I made a lengthy post in the MegaBigPower thread but the gist of it... H boards went up ~225% but BTC has gone up ~700% since the last batch sold for $500 each.

I'll probably order a few boards from each version to beef up my Sept and Oct partial kits just because they look sad and lonely, lol. I sure would have loved to fill the slots but they're a little too rich for my blood although not completely ridiculously overpriced compared to an AntMiner for example.

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850 euros for one H-card is a joke. not only that, the h-cards usually take some tuning and lots of maintenance to have consistently good yields.

I think I will stick to litecoin mining and bitmain's antminers now on. I will probably then go onto KNC.

It is very sad that Tytus, Punin and Buzzdave have become so greedy that we cannot populate our starter kits without significantly more financial contribution.

FYI, buzzdave is talking about 60 day roi. Antminer right now does 31 day overclocked and is a lot more stable.

Don't even let me get into the shit show on how picostocks was handled or how dividends and balances are still missing after several days.

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Quote from: Keefe on December 05, 2013, 07:53:29 PM

Quote from: fractal02 on December 05, 2013, 04:25:35 PM

Quote from: punin on December 05, 2013, 03:56:03 PM

Bad news is that the price is much higher. New H-cards will sell for 850€ a piece + VAT.

Yeah that's a shame. With delivery Dec 16, I wouldn't pay more than 550€ including tax. I guess it's time to move on to BitMain's AntMiner or BitMine's CoinCraft.

So you think you're going to get a CoinCraft before December 16th? Maybe March 14th if the don't close up shop before they release their first miner. Wink

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Quote from: punin on December 05, 2013, 03:56:03 PM

I desperately need a vacation and I'm going to have one on 17.12.-2.1.

Enjoy! And leave the mobile out Cheesy

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Quote from: punin on December 05, 2013, 03:56:03 PM

Hello People,

I have been extremely busy building a mine for tytus while waiting for the heatsinks and I'm getting extremely tired and exhausted. All my staff left on vacation a week ago and I'm pretty much alone handling everything from tuning cards, building rigs, screwing power supplies, flashing SD cards, dealing with phone calls, ordering stuff, organizing chip production etc etc etc. I desperately need a vacation and I'm going to have one on 17.12.-2.1.

Unfortunately no old H-cards are currently available for sale (I've been requesting them for over a month now, but I still have nothing but some crappy boards that need spare parts or soldering). I know I will get the old H-cards at some point, but 'when' is the question I have no answer for. (I'm not the manufacturer)

Some good news: I've managed to hire some people that will start on monday and I plan to reopen sales for the new boards! It'll take a few days to do the training so they can test and pack and ship, but after that I hope we will be able to ship some gear. So I expect to open the shop a week from now or so.

Bad news is that the price is much higher. New H-cards will sell for 850€ a piece + VAT. Please don't blame me for the prices as I'm not the one who sets them.

All orders ship via free express shipping in 48 hours.

What's the estimated hash rate for thew new cards and will those new cards work with the old m-boards (v 1.0)?

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Quote from: Keefe on December 05, 2013, 07:53:29 PM

Quote from: fractal02 on December 05, 2013, 04:25:35 PM

Quote from: punin on December 05, 2013, 03:56:03 PM

Bad news is that the price is much higher. New H-cards will sell for 850€ a piece + VAT.

Yeah that's a shame. With delivery Dec 16, I wouldn't pay more than 550€ including tax. I guess it's time to move on to BitMain's AntMiner or BitMine's CoinCraft.

same here

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Quote from: spiccioli on December 05, 2013, 04:45:26 PM

Quote from: rupy on December 05, 2013, 04:40:45 PM

200% inflation! It would be nice with some disclosure, who sets the prices, who is not delivering old H-Cards (btw would those still cost 250)?

200?

It is more than three times the old price for the very same board (apart from a different connector), plus VAT!

Either they were selling at a loss before or are stealing us now.

spiccioli

Simply good ol' supply and demand. Bitcoin prices were what, $160 4 to 6 weeks ago... something like that. Now everyone wants to mine $1000+ bitcoin and no one can supply ASICs fast enough before they are devoured by the hungry masses.

Ironically, BFL has Singles and MiniRigs in stock. I ordered two Singles during the Black Friday sale and got them today and they were shipped FedEx Ground. My head just about exploded! Delivery in 6 days following a National Holiday?

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Quote from: fractal02 on December 05, 2013, 04:25:35 PM

Quote from: punin on December 05, 2013, 03:56:03 PM

Bad news is that the price is much higher. New H-cards will sell for 850€ a piece + VAT.

Yeah that's a shame. With delivery Dec 16, I wouldn't pay more than 550€ including tax. I guess it's time to move on to BitMain's AntMiner or BitMine's CoinCraft.

spiccioli

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Quote from: rupy on December 05, 2013, 04:40:45 PM

200% inflation! It would be nice with some disclosure, who sets the prices, who is not delivering old H-Cards (btw would those still cost 250)?

200?

It is more than three times the old price for the very same board (apart from a different connector), plus VAT!

Either they were selling at a loss before or are stealing us now.

spiccioli

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200% inflation! It would be nice with some disclosure, who sets the prices, who is not delivering old H-Cards (btw would those still cost 250)?

spiccioli

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Quote from: fractal02 on December 05, 2013, 04:25:35 PM

Quote from: punin on December 05, 2013, 03:56:03 PM

Bad news is that the price is much higher. New H-cards will sell for 850€ a piece + VAT.

AntMiner's units at 4.5 BTCs are cheap in comparison.

spiccioli

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Quote from: punin on December 05, 2013, 03:56:03 PM

Bad news is that the price is much higher. New H-cards will sell for 850€ a piece + VAT.

punin

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Hello People,

I have been extremely busy building a mine for tytus while waiting for the heatsinks and I'm getting extremely tired and exhausted. All my staff left on vacation a week ago and I'm pretty much alone handling everything from tuning cards, building rigs, screwing power supplies, flashing SD cards, dealing with phone calls, ordering stuff, organizing chip production etc etc etc. I desperately need a vacation and I'm going to have one on 17.12.-2.1.

Unfortunately no old H-cards are currently available for sale (I've been requesting them for over a month now, but I still have nothing but some crappy boards that need spare parts or soldering). I know I will get the old H-cards at some point, but 'when' is the question I have no answer for. (I'm not the manufacturer)

Some good news: I've managed to hire some people that will start on monday and I plan to reopen sales for the new boards! It'll take a few days to do the training so they can test and pack and ship, but after that I hope we will be able to ship some gear. So I expect to open the shop a week from now or so.

Bad news is that the price is much higher. New H-cards will sell for 850€ a piece + VAT. Please don't blame me for the prices as I'm not the one who sets them.

All orders ship via free express shipping in 48 hours.

xstr8guy

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Quote from: hdbuck on December 05, 2013, 01:08:01 PM

Quote from: server on December 05, 2013, 11:01:32 AM

Mehhh@Behhh... empty M-boards Undecided

I get the frustration though..

Quote from: xstr8guy on December 05, 2013, 01:05:11 PM

What was the bitcoin price the time of Punin's last post? Yeah, he's not coming back. He's busy mining. And we know it takes a lot of upkeep keeping these H boards hashing. So I'm sure he's very busy.

yeah well i'd probably do the same if i were in his position... and i bet a lot of people would.. thats just the jungle law of business.. aint no place for mother Theresa in there Grin

At least Dave had the good sense to say that he wasn't sure if he'd sell more boards after the second batch shipped. Punin sure sounded like he was going to sell. So that stings even worse.

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Quote from: server on December 05, 2013, 11:01:32 AM

Mehhh@Behhh... empty M-boards Undecided

I get the frustration though..

Quote from: xstr8guy on December 05, 2013, 01:05:11 PM

What was the bitcoin price the time of Punin's last post? Yeah, he's not coming back. He's busy mining. And we know it takes a lot of upkeep keeping these H boards hashing. So I'm sure he's very busy.

yeah well i'd probably do the same if i were in his position... and i bet a lot of people would.. i am not saying its good or bad, thats just the jungle law of business.. aint no place for mother Theresa in there Grin

edit: So lets all be patient and thx punin for the wonderful work he has achieved so far (& hope for some more hcards under our Xmas trees)...

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Quote from: hdbuck on December 05, 2013, 10:24:32 AM

Quote from: rammy2k2 on December 05, 2013, 06:00:20 AM

Quote from: goxed on December 03, 2013, 08:17:06 PM

Quote from: tarmi on December 03, 2013, 04:54:40 AM

I am very disappointed because there are no H boards available to upgrade our starter kits.

I didnt expect to pay premium prices for M boards just to watch my supplier mining the shit out of the network.

I am switching over to antminers. They are almost as efficient as overclocked bitfury.

i guess all of us will quit and move to others since everything is dead here ...

or punin is just busy preparing his Xmas sack yeayyyy Cheesy

(since he gathered some valuable customers feedback last time he checked in here asking for usb/raspi, modular/not etc... dont think it was purposeless)

What was the bitcoin price the time of Punin's last post? Yeah, he's not coming back. He's busy mining. And we know it takes a lot of upkeep keeping these H boards hashing. So I'm sure he's very busy.

server

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Mehhh@Behhh... empty M-boards Undecided

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