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Topic: [ANN] Bitfury is looking for alpha-testers of first chips! FREE MONEY HERE! - page 46. (Read 176727 times)

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I wonder why is this concerns you so much? The are going to sell the chips for everyone to make anything they want with them.
We will potentially have same customers, so I don't want my potential customers be entice by marketing BS.

Aren't you doing a marketing right now, while writing it?
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I wonder why is this concerns you so much? The are going to sell the chips for everyone to make anything they want with them.
We will potentially have same customers, so I don't want my potential customers be enticed by marketing BS.
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@CryptoCluster

Calculations show that energy efficiency between running same ASIC on low voltage vs normal voltage worth less than 0.5% for 8 weeks after you run it for 45 weeks at full power.

No overclocking for you! They are designing supporting electronics to only be able run chip at low voltage. Only way to overclock is to remove chip, throw everything else out, create another PCB and buy electric components to make it run at standard voltage and assemble all back. Pointless waste of time and money, manufacturer should make equipment the right way the first time.

I wonder why is this concerns you so much? The are going to sell the chips for everyone to make anything they want with them.
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@CryptoCluster

Calculations show that energy efficiency between running same ASIC on low voltage vs normal voltage worth less than 0.5% for 8 weeks after you run it for 45 weeks at full power.

No overclocking for you! They are designing supporting electronics to only be able run chip at low voltage. Only way to overclock is to remove chip, throw everything else out, create another PCB and buy electric components to make it run at standard voltage and assemble all back. Pointless waste of time and money, manufacturer should make equipment the right way the first time.
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hi

how is the tests are going?

the chips are hashing correctly?

keep us posted

thanks
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..... Also despite what galaxyASIC said seems that I have mastered to design $10 million-worth logic cell library (he claimed that such research costs in range of $10 million USD). If that job is really that complex and chip works, then this technology costs more than $10 million ALONE. But - need to wait of course to check error rates. Without real hashing and reading error rates it can be overestimated and real hash rate can be twice less (clock). Well - and also of course there may be minor bug that ruins whole thing, because development time was very short - that are current questions, not power consumption.


I don't remember claiming that it's cost $10M.

But I did calculation over the weekend and result is that it's completely worthless endeavor to run chip in 0.5-0.6 volts vs running it at standard 1.0-1.1 volts for bitcoin projects. So, BitFury's low voltage chip is just a marketing BS.

Savings in cost of power vs getting less Bitcoins at a ratio of something as high as 6/2 will yield ~48.76% less bitcoins if run from day one on low power and if switched at most optimal time from full power to low power only yields less than 0.32%, less than third of one percent.

(6 times less power at 2 times less performance)

He will just end up using more chips and more electronic components and PCB to get to the same performance and since power use by any ASICs is already very low and cost per kW is not $4 but only $0.10-$0.40, there is no point in ruining chips at low power.
For low voltage chip make any financial sense, power needs to cost over $4/kW

But if he can achieve it, then it will be just an ego stroke.Smiley

Lesson? Do cost/benefit analysis before you spend a lot of money.


Try thinking of it as a very energy efficient ASIC with huge overclocking capability :-) Maybe it will calm your nerves...

PS. The mining market will move to the point where mining costs = mining earnings. So, as soon as BFL, Avalon and other starts delivering, only most energy efficient ASICs will prevail (ceteris paribus). I hope that you are designing yours in a way that it can beat Bitfurys J/Mhs, if not it is possible you wont sell any.
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List costs for 2 variations, low voltage and normal voltage with W and GH for each. Savings to you or to your customer at $23/GH

Sales price is irrelevant. Look at production costs per GH. Knowing chip costs You will see that the additional hardware cost is very important.

My costs not same as yours. And that is what I asked you. What is the production cost on low voltage and normal voltage with W and GH for each
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List costs for 2 variations, low voltage and normal voltage with W and GH for each. Savings to you or to your customer at $23/GH

Sales price is irrelevant. Look at production costs per GH. Knowing chip costs You will see that the additional hardware cost is very important.
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but You forget the cost of other components on the board. You can pay $4 per Watt in hardware. If You account for this , having a low power chip generates significant additional cost savings.

List costs for 2 variations, low voltage and normal voltage with W and GH for each. Savings to you or to your customer at $23/GH
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but You forget the cost of other components on the board. You can pay $4 per Watt in hardware. If You account for this , having a low power chip generates significant additional cost savings.
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He will just end up using more chips and more electronic components and PCB to get to the same performance and since power use by any ASICs is already very low and cost per kW is not $4 but only $0.10-$0.40, there is no point in ruining chips at low power.

How do You get $0.1 ($0.4) per Watt ?

Residential rate in New York is $0.34kW, commercial rates in some places in US are $0.08kW

I mean hardware costs [BOM, PCB, PSU, cooling, ...]

...

Bitfury was talking about hardware cost per 1 Watt ($4 per Watt).

Where was he talking about hardware cost per W?

I was talking about different $4, at $4kW (which is 10-20X more than anyone pays) profitability shift from running your chips at standard voltage to running them in low voltage. But, since no one pays $4kW profitability is on standard voltage.
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He will just end up using more chips and more electronic components and PCB to get to the same performance and since power use by any ASICs is already very low and cost per kW is not $4 but only $0.10-$0.40, there is no point in ruining chips at low power.

How do You get $0.1 ($0.4) per Watt ?

Residential rate in New York is $0.34kW, commercial rates in some places in US are $0.08kW

I mean hardware costs [BOM, PCB, PSU, cooling, ...]

...

Bitfury was talking about hardware cost per 1 Watt ($4 per Watt).
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He will just end up using more chips and more electronic components and PCB to get to the same performance and since power use by any ASICs is already very low and cost per kW is not $4 but only $0.10-$0.40, there is no point in ruining chips at low power.

How do You get $0.1 ($0.4) per Watt ?

Residential rate in New York is $0.34kW, commercial rates in some places in US are $0.08kW
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He will just end up using more chips and more electronic components and PCB to get to the same performance and since power use by any ASICs is already very low and cost per kW is not $4 but only $0.10-$0.40, there is no point in ruining chips at low power.

How do You get $0.1 ($0.4) per Watt ?
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I hope you are not seriously going to try and handle all that hashrate yourself, and in one undistributed location (even one country)...

Of course not on both.

Good man! Wink
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I hope you are not seriously going to try and handle all that hashrate yourself, and in one undistributed location (even one country)...

Of course not on both.
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"198 megawatts of power."
"Microsoft (MSFT) will invest $500 million in the new data center in the Chicago suburb of Northlake, Ill."

You want to spend that much ? :-)

I don't have to, DC spends that as capital project for 10-50years, I only spend $0.13kWh including cooling, racks, internet, generator backup
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I Pm'ed u
pm back thanxs
 Grin
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A bit early to tell, but I think my first order of wafers is going to be 30 PetaHash = 30,000,000 GH, by the end of next year it certainly be in 1,000 PH range, god only know what Knc/Kcn will come up with


Well they will have to think of something, all that hashrate centralised to one owner will not be healthy for Bitcoin. Having all that hashrate located in one country, especially the US will definitely not be healthy to Bitcoin! All it would take is for yourself to be penalised by a government with an assumed valid reason and that could be 30 Petahash taken off line in one foul swoop.

I hope you are not seriously going to try and handle all that hashrate yourself, and in one undistributed location (even one country)...
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"198 megawatts of power."
"Microsoft (MSFT) will invest $500 million in the new data center in the Chicago suburb of Northlake, Ill."

You want to spend that much ? :-)
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