I just love how you guys come across as legit concerns are attacking members. I've never said Soekip has not done a lot here, he has. We can't have a group here controlling this coin, it's decentralized, and that's the point of cryptos. Sorry if this offends you.
I'm sure if you truly think about it, you can see the logic in separation of powers and interests here. We don't need backdoor deals and people coming working officially for official coin social media also representing like they are from the foundation too.
If this throws a wrench in your plans, I'm sorry, but maybe you should have thought about this before looking to take control of the coin and consolidate your power over decisions.
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IE that is an excellent suggestion. Thank you, again.
see this link - https://bitcoinfoundation.org/
This Bitcoin Foundation is a Non Profit, so it is different than what everyone else is proposing. It has already been established that the BlackCoin Foundation is more like an Investment Group which is for profit. Anytime a "Foundation" is for profit, then it's effectiveness is diminished greatly.
So, waiting to hear from Soekip on here, is he involved in this investment group? Is he not? If so, who does official tweets for Blackcoin now, and other social media? Hopefully not investment group. If Soekip is involved, i would hope community would expect him to step down immediately from either group or representation of the coin.
Lets get some transparency here, who is right now running the official BC social media, and if so, are they involved with investment group?
It always amuses me when I see blatant attacks against the users which built the platform that you are now using to attack them on.
I do not think he meant it as an attack. It is obvious there is still some tension...so why don't leave this discussion off the table for a few days so everyone can calm down.
The Wall Street event is at the end of the month, there are a few weeks before the event. So what are we going to do in the meantime to keep forward movement?
brammien, we only control our own funds. We cannot possibly exert control over millions of dollars. It is a decentralized currency. we are an investment group. We control our funds which we are currently using to help everyone as much as possible. You have caused us to rethink the use of the term foundation because it is clearly causing a lot of issues. We are an investment group. That is all. I think some people have been led astray as to what we can and cannot do.
Okay, so if you are an investment group, then will the investment group be tweeting, facebook, social media under the official blackcoin, or under another name? If your just an investment group, then that's fine, but should not be overlapping of the official pages, with investment groups pages. Like we as investment group support or don't support something is okay, but we as blackcoin foundation don't is then shown as official.
I'm okay personally with investment group, but not under official title representing the coin. If this group does well and helps coin, great. If not, then it's only investment group and not under tile of anything else. I just believe there should not be conflicting interest. I'd hope Soekip is NOT part of this group, since he's now representing the coin as figurehead. That would be huge conflict of interest.
Hum...why is an investment group seeking donations from the community?
You're an investor. Why are you seeking donations from the community?
An investment group is a group of investors. It's what you are, only in plural.
I imagine in this case, the investment group came up with an idea that required funding. They figured they could bear half of the cost themselves and then went to the community to seek donations from those who agree that the idea is worth investing in.
I thought you said you would start fresh this week and stop with the attacks?
That wasn't an attack at all, and if it appeared that way I sincerely apologize.
As for me... yes I am an investor but I am not asking the community to invest in something similar to a "hedge fund". I am asking the community to donate to projects that are community based. I have no problems letting someone else from my area help with any project I am a part of.
Iconic I don't understand why you personally have to try to misdirect and twist every single thing some one says. You know it's not a hedge fund, it's a group of people seeking to promote the coin. This should make you happy, but the fact that you are stomping your feet and making a fuss is clear you have only self interests in mind. We had never once ever said anything bad about your campaigns, or your goblack website. But you are just on here full of venom spite, and a disturbing obsession with convoluting the message and taking control of it. People who act like that in my eyes do not act in the interest of the coin, and it should raise warning flags for any body who is so obsessed with destroying the efforts of others, completely unprovoked.
see this link - https://bitcoinfoundation.org/
This Bitcoin Foundation is a Non Profit, so it is different than what everyone else is proposing. It has already been established that the BlackCoin Foundation is more like an Investment Group which is for profit. Anytime a "Foundation" is for profit, then it's effectiveness is diminished greatly.
So, waiting to hear from Soekip on here, is he involved in this investment group? Is he not? If so, who does official tweets for Blackcoin now, and other social media? Hopefully not investment group. If Soekip is involved, i would hope community would expect him to step down immediately from either group or representation of the coin.
Lets get some transparency here, who is right now running the official BC social media, and if so, are they involved with investment group?
It always amuses me when I see blatant attacks against the users which built the platform that you are now using to attack them on.
I'm not attacking soekip, i'm wanting to know his position in this game? Cause right now he's the figurehead and was on the youtube video representing the coin. We can't have conflicting interests. Is he, or is he not part of the investment group?
All please be careful I feel tensions increasing. Remember BC above all:)
brammien, we only control our own funds. We cannot possibly exert control over millions of dollars. It is a decentralized currency. we are an investment group. We control our funds which we are currently using to help everyone as much as possible. You have caused us to rethink the use of the term foundation because it is clearly causing a lot of issues. We are an investment group. That is all. I think some people have been led astray as to what we can and cannot do.
Okay, so if you are an investment group, then will the investment group be tweeting, facebook, social media under the official blackcoin, or under another name? If your just an investment group, then that's fine, but should not be overlapping of the official pages, with investment groups pages. Like we as investment group support or don't support something is okay, but we as blackcoin foundation don't is then shown as official.
I'm okay personally with investment group, but not under official title representing the coin. If this group does well and helps coin, great. If not, then it's only investment group and not under tile of anything else. I just believe there should not be conflicting interest. I'd hope Soekip is NOT part of this group, since he's now representing the coin as figurehead. That would be huge conflict of interest.
Hum...why is an investment group seeking donations from the community?
You're an investor. Why are you seeking donations from the community?
An investment group is a group of investors. It's what you are, only in plural.
I imagine in this case, the investment group came up with an idea that required funding. They figured they could bear half of the cost themselves and then went to the community to seek donations from those who agree that the idea is worth investing in.
I thought you said you would start fresh this week and stop with the attacks?
That wasn't an attack at all, and if it appeared that way I sincerely apologize.
As for me... yes I am an investor but I am not asking the community to invest in something similar to a "hedge fund". I am asking the community to donate to projects that are community based. I have no problems letting someone else from my area help with any project I am a part of.
see this link - https://bitcoinfoundation.org/
This Bitcoin Foundation is a Non Profit, so it is different than what everyone else is proposing. It has already been established that the BlackCoin Foundation is more like an Investment Group which is for profit. Anytime a "Foundation" is for profit, then it's effectiveness is diminished greatly.
So, waiting to hear from Soekip on here, is he involved in this investment group? Is he not? If so, who does official tweets for Blackcoin now, and other social media? Hopefully not investment group. If Soekip is involved, i would hope community would expect him to step down immediately from either group or representation of the coin.
Lets get some transparency here, who is right now running the official BC social media, and if so, are they involved with investment group?
It always amuses me when I see blatant attacks against the users which built the platform that you are now using to attack them on.
see this link - https://bitcoinfoundation.org/
This Bitcoin Foundation is a Non Profit, so it is different than what everyone else is proposing. It has already been established that the BlackCoin Foundation is more like an Investment Group which is for profit. Anytime a "Foundation" is for profit, then it's effectiveness is diminished greatly.
So, waiting to hear from Soekip on here, is he involved in this investment group? Is he not? If so, who does official tweets for Blackcoin now, and other social media? Hopefully not investment group. If Soekip is involved, i would hope community would expect him to step down immediately from either group or representation of the coin.
Lets get some transparency here, who is right now running the official BC social media, and if so, are they involved with investment group?
Lets just all step back a minute.
I have a few questions regarding both the Foundation and the PR firm since it is relevant to this discussion.
Can the following questions be answered without personal attacks and FUD?
1. Why does a decentralized currency need a centralized Foundation in the first place?
2. What is the mission of the Foundation?
3. What promotional plans does the Foundation/Dev team have in place for the next several weeks until the PR firm can supply a plan?
4. Once the PR firm does supply a plan, where will the additional funding come from to execute the plan?
5. Since the community is paying for half of the PR Firm, why not let the community select their own PR firm? There are thousands of PR firm across the planet.
I do not think the community quite understands that the $30,000 the PR firm is being paid is just to offer plans and advice. It will cost an additional $70,000 - $250,000+ to put whatever plan into motion.
I have a few questions regarding both the Foundation and the PR firm since it is relevant to this discussion.
Can the following questions be answered without personal attacks and FUD?
1. Why does a decentralized currency need a centralized Foundation in the first place?
2. What is the mission of the Foundation?
3. What promotional plans does the Foundation/Dev team have in place for the next several weeks until the PR firm can supply a plan?
4. Once the PR firm does supply a plan, where will the additional funding come from to execute the plan?
5. Since the community is paying for half of the PR Firm, why not let the community select their own PR firm? There are thousands of PR firm across the planet.
I do not think the community quite understands that the $30,000 the PR firm is being paid is just to offer plans and advice. It will cost an additional $70,000 - $250,000+ to put whatever plan into motion.
Iconic, Thank you for your questions. I really do appreciate them being laid out in this manner.
1.) It's not a centralized foundation. It's an investment group. I don't know how to phrase this in other terms, but imagine you had some associates who wanted to work with you in your wall street campaign. They helped raise money etc. That is all that we are..
2.) It is drafted somewhere but in more words or less it says 'we are a group of people who want to help BC gain mass adoption'
3.) The dev team is separate from the foundation and is not a team so much as one man, rat4. He does not engage in PR AFAIK. Despite widespread rumors and fear-mongering I have personally never spoken with rat4 nor seen him speak outside of the public channel. PR plans: part of the reason for hiring the firm is to help us design a strategy. Currently we are crowdsourcing at www.reddit.com/r/blackcoin for PR ideas.
4.) If additional funding is necessary we will cross that bridge when we get to it.
5.) It is not a simple matter of selecting a PR firm from a list. It is a selection process with conference calls etc leading to a pitch by the firm. I would not feel comfortable having a PR firm spend money to formulate a pitch and at the end say, "let me discuss this on the forums and see if they like it." These are real companies and are not going to waste time like that.
Additional funds will not be necessary in the short-term. The $30,000 is getting us at least 3 articles, some social media ads, etc. I cannot tell you exactly how much because I am still waiting on exactly this, a proposal with article cost, infographic cost etc. separated out.
Thank you again IE. It has been a much better day on the forums.
brammien, we only control our own funds. We cannot possibly exert control over millions of dollars. It is a decentralized currency. we are an investment group. We control our funds which we are currently using to help everyone as much as possible. You have caused us to rethink the use of the term foundation because it is clearly causing a lot of issues. We are an investment group. That is all. I think some people have been led astray as to what we can and cannot do.
Okay, so if you are an investment group, then will the investment group be tweeting, facebook, social media under the official blackcoin, or under another name? If your just an investment group, then that's fine, but should not be overlapping of the official pages, with investment groups pages. Like we as investment group support or don't support something is okay, but we as blackcoin foundation don't is then shown as official.
I'm okay personally with investment group, but not under official title representing the coin. If this group does well and helps coin, great. If not, then it's only investment group and not under tile of anything else. I just believe there should not be conflicting interest. I'd hope Soekip is NOT part of this group, since he's now representing the coin as figurehead. That would be huge conflict of interest.
Hum...why is an investment group seeking donations from the community?
You're an investor. Why are you seeking donations from the community?
An investment group is a group of investors. It's what you are, only in plural.
I imagine in this case, the investment group came up with an idea that required funding. They figured they could bear half of the cost themselves and then went to the community to seek donations from those who agree that the idea is worth investing in.
I thought you said you would start fresh this week and stop with the attacks?
see this link - https://bitcoinfoundation.org/
This Bitcoin Foundation is a Non Profit, so it is different than what everyone else is proposing. It has already been established that the BlackCoin Foundation is more like an Investment Group which is for profit. Anytime a "Foundation" is for profit, then it's effectiveness is diminished greatly.
I like you light impact Foudation by decentalized voting eg.
Mayby lets make something like that vote system in our clients by BC possession weight ?
Allmost full transaperency and democcracy ?
Something like Heavycoin have by they vote amount of coins mined.
We can setup mint with some vote parameter. eg. You support network you can vote by having BC in wallet.
And we are troll zone free voting that way.
great idea...but to not be abused once implemented...
see this link - https://bitcoinfoundation.org/
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brammien, we only control our own funds. We cannot possibly exert control over millions of dollars. It is a decentralized currency. we are an investment group. We control our funds which we are currently using to help everyone as much as possible. You have caused us to rethink the use of the term foundation because it is clearly causing a lot of issues. We are an investment group. That is all. I think some people have been led astray as to what we can and cannot do.
Okay, so if you are an investment group, then will the investment group be tweeting, facebook, social media under the official blackcoin, or under another name? If your just an investment group, then that's fine, but should not be overlapping of the official pages, with investment groups pages. Like we as investment group support or don't support something is okay, but we as blackcoin foundation don't is then shown as official.
I'm okay personally with investment group, but not under official title representing the coin. If this group does well and helps coin, great. If not, then it's only investment group and not under tile of anything else. I just believe there should not be conflicting interest. I'd hope Soekip is NOT part of this group, since he's now representing the coin as figurehead. That would be huge conflict of interest.
Hum...why is an investment group seeking donations from the community?
Brammien, marketing is not in our hands. It is in yours, everyday!! Please help us! Generate interest, donate money, give people something to donate too, devise plans, come up with strategies. You are your own foundation!
Huh? How am I the foundation, when I'm not on the foundation? I don't even know who's in the foundation?
Why dont you start a foundation..?
Don't think we need one, and it's bad idea. Think hard about this guys, you can't ever undo a foundation. It just won't happen. The only way is imploding and it failing to end the foundation, and that will be horrible for the coin. So if you want the current people to run this coin until they resign, or fail, then support the idea of the foundation. If not, you'll never be able to hold anyone accountable for poor decisions or your investments will be at the mercy of the foundation. This is the concern, and I feel like only few here get this.
It's not everyday a bunch of young men get a chance to be in charge of millions of dollars without a vote, or any sort of interview process.
bramien are you even thinking of what your writing?
"you'll never be able to hold anyone accountable for poor decisions or your investments will be at the mercy of the foundation"
your investment is at the mercy of everyone bramien not a group of people. If everyone decides to sell there wont be a foundation let alone an investment. If you guys keep it up nobody will have any value to the investment. There are ways to voice your concerns but attack after attack is like not good. Im not for or against anything let me make it clear. Your comment can also apply to IE and his projects what happens if in wallst or the usb cards people hate it. We wil have fud too and who are you going to hold accountable IE. Let things run, let people work if something bad happens we will address it as a community but please dont jump the gun..
Thanks
I'm not jumping the gun, I'm thinking ahead. This is a decision you cannot come back from, be very very clear about that. You set up a foundation, that's it, it's in place and only way to remove it would be negative on our investments.
As for IE's projects, and the PR, I'm supporting both. If they don't work they tried, I'm not saying I'd do it same way, but they are putting forth effort. Let's be clear also, I'm not against anything with the projects, these people work hard and deserve credit, I'm against foundation, power centralized, and undemocratic process in a decentralized currency.
That's it, fix that and I'll stop complaining.
Foundations are member- driven. It should have proper statutes, yes.
Brammien, marketing is not in our hands. It is in yours, everyday!! Please help us! Generate interest, donate money, give people something to donate too, devise plans, come up with strategies. You are your own foundation!
Huh? How am I the foundation, when I'm not on the foundation? I don't even know who's in the foundation?
Why dont you start a foundation..?
Don't think we need one, and it's bad idea. Think hard about this guys, you can't ever undo a foundation. It just won't happen. The only way is imploding and it failing to end the foundation, and that will be horrible for the coin. So if you want the current people to run this coin until they resign, or fail, then support the idea of the foundation. If not, you'll never be able to hold anyone accountable for poor decisions or your investments will be at the mercy of the foundation. This is the concern, and I feel like only few here get this.
It's not everyday a bunch of young men get a chance to be in charge of millions of dollars without a vote, or any sort of interview process.
bramien are you even thinking of what your writing?
"you'll never be able to hold anyone accountable for poor decisions or your investments will be at the mercy of the foundation"
your investment is at the mercy of everyone bramien not a group of people. If everyone decides to sell there wont be a foundation let alone an investment. If you guys keep it up nobody will have any value to the investment. There are ways to voice your concerns but attack after attack is like not good. Im not for or against anything let me make it clear. Your comment can also apply to IE and his projects what happens if in wallst or the usb cards people hate it. We wil have fud too and who are you going to hold accountable IE. Let things run, let people work if something bad happens we will address it as a community but please dont jump the gun..
Thanks
I'm not jumping the gun, I'm thinking ahead. This is a decision you cannot come back from, be very very clear about that. You set up a foundation, that's it, it's in place and only way to remove it would be negative on our investments.
As for IE's projects, and the PR, I'm supporting both. If they don't work they tried, I'm not saying I'd do it same way, but they are putting forth effort. Let's be clear also, I'm not against anything with the projects, these people work hard and deserve credit, I'm against foundation, power centralized, and undemocratic process in a decentralized currency.
That's it, fix that and I'll stop complaining.
Question...
Is there a place, a market place of sorts, that I could sell some Jordans for Blackcoin? If so could someone point me in the right direction? Thank you Blackcoin Community
Is there a place, a market place of sorts, that I could sell some Jordans for Blackcoin? If so could someone point me in the right direction? Thank you Blackcoin Community
check out http://www.blkroad.com/
mrwalker, blkroad.com? I do not know if its operational and have never used it so please do your own research as to its legitimacy.
I will do my research. Thanks
It's legit. And the domain is on my name.
Question...
Is there a place, a market place of sorts, that I could sell some Jordans for Blackcoin? If so could someone point me in the right direction? Thank you Blackcoin Community
Is there a place, a market place of sorts, that I could sell some Jordans for Blackcoin? If so could someone point me in the right direction? Thank you Blackcoin Community
check out http://www.blkroad.com/
mrwalker, blkroad.com? I do not know if its operational and have never used it so please do your own research as to its legitimacy.
I will do my research. Thanks
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