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By popular demand IE/SK

http://iconic-vs-soepkip.blogspot.com
 

*clap *clap

Just some thoughts about everything going on...

1) I actually like the idea of a Foundation to organize things, fund raise, and yes even hire a PR firm.  People will fund the Foundation with donations so if people like what they see they will donate, if not they wont.  Why argue about it.  I say if you can get donations for a PR firm go for it.

2) I would like IconicExpert as a member of the foundation.

3) Wall Street event is Iconic's baby.  Let him run with it.  Dogecoin community members run all sorts of PR stuff.  Some of it makes sense, and others not so much.  If DOGEcoin is mentioned in the same breath as Bitcoin and Litecoin, I hardly think some girls running around wall street is going to have any damage to Blackcoin.  Basically leave Iconic alone.  If you support his ideas, donate.  If not don't.  He tries.  Personally I love the Wall Street event idea!

4) The dev (rat4) has done a great job in this coin.  We have seen the WC dev abandon their coin.  AC dev scammed everyone.  Yet we dont give enough props to the Dev that makes the coin work and keeps on it.  I would like to see part of the foundation create a dev fun to pay the dev.

5) We have a great team.  Like a family.  Some members are brilliant but outspoken.  Others are deliberate but not as vocal.  It is my belief that they all care deeply.  Lets not fight.  We should be celebrating!

Judge Neil / Judge Crypto

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In other news

BLACKCOIN IS DOING GREAT

Interesting, I did not know that guy would be investing in cryptos LOL

i think the old adage put up or shut up comes in here.

blade87 had a nice post of what devs and investors of this coin have done so far.

Soepkip has tried to talk to IE as diplomatically as anyone could after the kind of crap he claimed.

If you want to promote this coin then do it, no one is stopping you. Ask for donations, do whatever you want. Do it with your own money or not, but don't get mad at people donating and spending their coins how they want.

But when some of you(less then 5) are activity attacking(poorly reasoned hilariously over aggressive) the people that have built this coin from the ground up including rat4 and soepkip i have to question your sanity and motivation.

NOW, ABOUT THAT TITAN LOTTERY...

No one has the obligation to know but Titan is made by KnCminer.co which is a well known manufacturer of mining rigs. Also not an obligation, the company is associated -I believe he is one of the owners, with a certain ex-Disney actor by the name of Brock Pierce who happens to have quite a curriculum and, perhaps because of it, BlackCoin should consider avoiding any kind of direct or indirect relationship with this company. Read all about it here: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/bryan-singer-sex-abuse-case-699828

Yeah, I have to agree that these guys have done a lot for the coin, I don't know where they've pulled the money out of for some of the promos (30k blackcoin giveaway for the multipool announced when the price was like 50k satoshi i think, free knc miner, $15k to enlist a PR firm).  And that says nothing of time I'm sure many of them have put in.

You don't necessarily have to agree with everything they do, and you don't have to donate to anything they do.  If anyone has their own initiatives and projects for the coin, they are more than welcome to start them or even see if the community is willing to lend a hand.  With decentralized cryptocurrencies, nothing is ever truly official - once it's released into the wild, it's fair game for anyone.  However, the dev team is "official" in the sense that they've been been central to building the coin and the community - without such dedicated people, you end up with stagnant coins that don't go anywhere.  So I'm happy we've got people working to build up the coin, both within the "dev team" and without (though I wish people would quit suggesting "pumping"/market manipulation).

If I was in a city and saw pretty girls with 'Blackcoin' shirts handing out flyers, I would think a new strip club had just opened. So then, if I had never heard of Blackcoin, and wanted to know more about it based on this 'event', what would I find out?? Oh, it's like Bitcoin, but the community raised money to have a Hooters event in New York. What does that say about them?? I do own Sexcoin, obviously that is linked to an industry where women are sex objects, but that industry already exists and has for some time.

This desperate bid for attention is just that, it isn't linked to any kind of message about why you should have Blackcoin, or what it does, but let's plaster crap everywhere in the hopes there will be even more pumps on mintpal or something.

It has taken since the beginning of BC, starting from rat4 and Soepkip, to branch out and find the right members for this "foundation". This isn't something that just happened overnight. If you can't trust a group of people that over time (and without a premine or IPO to work off, meaning their own time and money)

1. Laid down the infrastructure to make BC relevant with its pools
2. Funded CoinKite (thanks for the help Mintpal)
3. Funded promos for the miners like Black Friday and KNC Titan
4. Done their own PR through Twitter, Reddit, etc
5. A sponsor in Dogecon SF
6. Started up Blackcoin Farm
7. Started Blackcast and showed their faces
8. Now starting a huge PR campaign (Foundation "officially" formed here, a good 2 months after BC was released and after they have provided the above)

I don't what else you want? Legal names, addresses, phone numbers, day jobs, and etc? Maybe that will soon come, I don't know. But I could certainly understand if some people are not willing to put their personal information here in crypto land, at least not this soon. After all, everyone keeps talking about BC is still a young coin (which it is). But I'm sure all of that will come with time.

If you want to get more involved, then get more involved. Nobody is stopping you. And simply posting on BTCTalk isn't going to accomplish that. If you're serious about being proactive, then do it. Go to Blackcointalk, and start a new project thread. Outline the details, costs, time frame, etc. Get Soepkip or other known members of BC on it. Expose it to these "foundation" members that may actually be able to fund it if they like it!

Barabbas,
I couldn't agree more with most everything you wrote and the various concerns you pointed out, often I have wondered many of the same thoughts and have no clear answers, even though I do not indulge heavily with BC Pool and its associates. With that said, I really do believe they all are very smart, forward thinking and their hearts are in the right place including Iconic. But I would like to see more transparency in many of the areas you listed. I respect many of the efforts being put forth by many in here, which is more than I can say for myself, as I only am an observer who mines various coins and devotes a good % back into the purchase of BC. So with that thought yes I want everyone to succeed with there efforts.

I will say this about alt coins, BC isn't so different then other coins, but is a great alt coin in itself and concept. The only way I see it growing is for the name brand" BC to roll off the tip of peoples tongues and some how be the first thought they have if ask" have you ever heard of alt coins? To do this it needs tons of marketing and has to be made "hip" or a cool coin and become peoples first choice, as payment systems become more relevant to the public,, coinkite etc. As many do, I just want to see BC worth a lot more than it is now, and somehow the devs or the community need to make sure the ball is continually rolling in that direction and the acceptance of BC grows otherwise it will die on the vine like an unpicked bunch of grapes lol

Its ok for anyone to make a profit off of BC or any coins for that matter if they are clever and hard working enough , that's why we are all here in the first place  

I have been away from here for a couple of days and frankly it's almost impossible to catch up with so many pages of related posts... Anyway, once again, fully knowing that that darts will be coming from every side, I am the self-appointed (apparently everyone is self-appointing themselves here on Blackcoin, so...) sober voice of of reason and common sense.

1.- Everyone in this forum knows that I don't see eye-to-eye with Iconic in  general and that I have found most of his ideas outrageous and damaging to BC. His antics with WC and their forum and his ill-fated attempt at creating an instrument to manipulate the market cannot be defended, regardless. At the same time, his launching of the BlackCard, while (importantly) being a for profit (for his personal profit, that is) endeavor, has been praised without reservations by me numerous times. His Wall Street escorts march initiative, I have been critical about (critical in the sense of examining the pros and the cons, not necessarily on condemning it since I was and remain, on the fence if every day that passes more incline towards the negative on it). Since the community will pay for it, hey, if they do pay for it, let's see if it was wrong and, in any case, how wrong. I just lighted the red light that it could be quite disastrous fro BlackCoin's image and that the "good" that could come from it would be limited, at best. What is there to be gained from it? I still don't see what "awareness" could bring us. We are not selling anything, therefore being aware of a gloriously beautiful logo cannot possible translate into anything greatly beneficial. Would a Howard-Stern-like event be detrimental? I believe it can, but not much either so, if the few that give are for it, why not. Again, neutral on it.

I point this out because it is relevant to what comes below in which I am, almost completely, in favor of Iconic's position:

2.- I cannot be more AGAINST the PR initiative. Once again, it appears that the self-appointed BlackCoin Foundation -or in Iconic's definition "the core group" or the "IRC Boys"-, is ponying up $15,000 of their own pockets to support it because, well they think it is a great idea ... because no other crypto has done it before... err, maybe I am missing something here but that type or "originality" in and of itself, doesn't merit the initiative. What is the purpose? what is the campaign? what are we selling? One again, what is the rush? (this is and old question I initially posed to Iconic too). We are barely 2 months old, doing great. Why we need to do "original" things? what's the rush, again? who are we running from? I fail to see the need for any of this at all. I see though, other nearer and way more concerning, worrysome in fact, realities: the multi-pool is still showing that horrible patch and has no front end; more worrysome even, it's been only a few days since the pool was literally put on it's knees by a simple DDOS attack, which showed the amazing vulnerability, on one side, and made a lot of miners run away to greener, more secure ventures. While we are pursuing new visitors, it seems that we have the house dirty and stinking and that whoever that comers our way can be faced with pretty dangerous situations and circumstances...

3.- Transparence. It was nice to see the faces of three members of the dev team (or is it the Foundation?.. I'm confused -more later-? in the BlackCast -it was terrible, to say the least, that the three seemed to be paid endorses of Marlboro AND the Colorado Chamber of Commerce, but at least we saw their faces and learn a couple of first names... but other than that, there's no transparency at all here. Example: If you ask on IRC about the multi-pool, you get all kinds of "answers" from the ever-present "Soepkip" and "Gritt" to other volunteers, such as "Syllabear" and others. Depending on who answers, for instance Soepkip, you get that "the multi-pool is not directly connected with the dev team" (therefore when it fails, well, sorry but not the devs fault) or that the said multi-pool is "not vital" to BlackCoin. If Gnu or others answer, then it IS indeed vital... but still not directly connected or the responsibility of the devs... Confusing, isn't it? Then you go on and get answers -or lack thereof- to such questions as "when does the multipool buy their BCs?" (apparently -no official word on it either- "they wait for the dips", rather than buy at whatever market price it is trading the moment the coins are sold -presumibly for BTC?. Again, no official word on this. When are the miners paid? er... uh... depends on Crypsty, apparently... although officials fromn Crypsty have shown on IRC to deny -or partially deny- this. In any case, it seems that miners are paid, uh, whenever the person in charge is not too busy.... "while we develop a system that will make the payments instantaneous and the mining proceeds happen". It's all cloudy out there. No specifics, no one really responsible of anything... "it will happen", they'll tell you. Eventually.

This is in the very specifics of mining. When it comes to structure, we are lost. Now, apparently, we have a BlackCoin Foundation. Really. Land grab has been  mentioned a couple times in the previous 40 pages of this forum but, let's ask: Who are the members of this Foundation? Are they the dev team? (I seem to have read that no, it's a group of BC investors). Well, since I am one such BC investor, how come nobody has asked me to join the Foundation or, at the very least, ask me if I was interested in having a foundation at all? Who decided we should have a Foundation and who are the members of that foundation. Names, real names. And wallet numbers, please. And with what criteria have they been chosen? and by who? I have to be on Iconic's side on this... all of a sudden a very aggressive and prolific campaign of posts in the forum by people that rarely if ever have posted before, are the self-appointed "BlackCoin Foundation". Who are these people and why are they "looking for our interests"? Or are they? I mean if this is a group big enough and with big enough wallets, they can manipulate at will to get the best of the markets and leave us all holding the bags? Who are they? what's their interest in having controlling power in BC? why spending $30,000 in a "branding" campaign that, at best, will bring nothing but awareness toward another copy of Litecoin with a slick logo? I mean, if they are ponying up $15,000 from their own pockets, who am I to question whatever they do in their own names? But if they do it as officially sanctioned BlacCoin Foundation, then I have some interest, direct interest, because I hold a sizable stake in this venture and I demand to know who are the "morituri's", etc. of this self-appointed foundation. Like I said, with full legal names and wallet numbers. That would be transparency.

3.- Let's be clear. And perhaps someone is going to explain to me in 10 words or less how wrong I am. BlackCoin is a Litecoin clone, with a gorgeous logo. Basically. A copy of a model (PoS) that was made public over 2 years ago (Nova) mixed with some other algos and of which there are at least 10 identical clones already out there and about 100 (a day) coming out. So, first of all and before we try the spend quite a bit of resources, why not getting to the basics? What the fuck is BlackCoin? Oh we are "fast", I get that... but isn't UltraCoin actually FASTER than BC? How much faster than LTC is BC? That is a claim that has to be true or it will backfire. But, lets assume, as some pretend, that BC is the fastest crypto in existence, how long is that claim going to remain true? Is it something we can base the "selling" of the coin on? I don't believe so. What else? Is it more secure, the most secure? How. In layman words -we are pretending to sell this to laymen, right?-. Are we a "holder of wealth" like someone has pointed, "for the wealthy"? How? with 1% annually that is exceeded by every other alto in the market? I really want the answers here, not at all trying to be negative. Exactly, in a very few words that everyone can understand, why is BC "the shit". The shit that merits public recognition through outrageous Wall Street marches and costly PR engagements determined by people of whom we know absolutely nothing about and masquerading as "The Foundation", all with an incredible craving for the coin to get to much higher prices in the exchanges and no substantial plan to actually grow it into something a small segment of the regular population will actually use some day. Picture me skeptical but all this seems designed only for the purpose of quickly -very quickly, 90 days or less- capitalize on an investment at whatever expense INCLUDING the future of the coin.

Sorry for the length. Hopefully only really interested parties would go through the whole thing. Every word is there for a reason, though... And I am not even asking for donations either.

THIS!

Love it. We need to show new investors why this coin is great. Not that some of our most innovative and prominent members just bicker and troll and sling mud. With AC and WC both going down we have to show folks why WE are the best. Why they should be investing in BC and not a scam coin, a copycat, or a p&d. Let's keep moving forward. So many cool things in the future, there's room for everyone!!

we need a IE/SP video now

You know these videos are very educating and turn all of the conflicts, drama, and trolling into something fun...

Please think about making  "Blackcoin THE MOVIE"  Which would be a really fun piece that could go viral in youtube and every crypto person will want to watch it!