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Quote from: The whole world, good nig on July 20, 2020, 11:36:19 AM

Why not use the generic model and allow people to switch to the chips they like
2048 m BTC: change to 2btc
4096 m BTC: change to 4 BTCs
8192 m BTC: change to 8 BTCs

They do, there is a "commonize" function starting from 0.512 BTC. You pay around 2,35 % fee with doing that.

EDIT: Did not see the post of HeRetiK before, sorry.

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Quote from: The whole world, good nig on July 20, 2020, 11:20:48 AM

Do you mean the more addresses the chips are, the more anonymous they are？

In general: yes! Having more potential matches makes it less likely to find the one you're looking for.

Quote from: The whole world, good nig on July 20, 2020, 11:36:19 AM

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Why not use the generic model and allow people to switch to the chips they like
2048 m BTC: change to 2btc
4096 m BTC: change to 4 BTCs
8192 m BTC: change to 8 BTCs

You can go a step further: 10 BTC sounds better than 8 too! But it doesn't fit the "split" and "merge" options.

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Quote from: The whole world, good nig on July 20, 2020, 11:36:19 AM

I'm a novice. I hate something,
Why not use the generic model and allow people to switch to the chips they like
2048 m BTC: change to 2btc
4096 m BTC: change to 4 BTCs
8192 m BTC: change to 8 BTCs

The rationale behind this is actually explained in the FAQ:

Quote from: https://chipmixer.com/faq

We wanted to have a lot of chip sizes and to easily split/merge them. if you start with 1 BTC and you split it, your minimal chip is 0.015625 BTC which seems even weirder.

And in case you really, really want "round" BTC chips:

Quote from: https://chipmixer.com/faq

[...] We have introduced commonize function which will swap your weird looking 1.024 BTC chip into 1 BTC chip and weird looking 0.512 BTC into 0.5 BTC.

Using this action will cost you the weird part of chip which is around 2% fee.

A fee of 2% is well within the range that is customary for mixing services.

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I'm a novice. I hate something,
Why not use the generic model and allow people to switch to the chips they like
2048 m BTC: change to 2btc
4096 m BTC: change to 4 BTCs
8192 m BTC: change to 8 BTCs

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Quote from: [email protected] on July 20, 2020, 05:58:58 AM

Quote from: LoyceV on July 20, 2020, 03:46:25 AM

Quote from: [email protected] on July 20, 2020, 03:16:19 AM

With the development of stain analysis technology, one day chipmixer.com Anonymity may be broken!

Let's count (potential) chips, which is all addresses funded with a specific amount. From List of all Bitcoin addresses with a balance:
1 mBTC: 265288 addresses
2 mBTC: 67005 addresses
4 mBTC: 30375 addresses
8 mBTC: 15431 addresses
16 mBTC: 7897 addresses
32 mBTC: 3878 addresses
64 mBTC: 1678 addresses
128 mBTC: 1155 addresses
256 mBTC: 597 addresses
500 mBTC: 37896 addresses
512 mBTC: 347 addresses
1000 mBTC: 88063 addresses
1024 mBTC: 338 addresses
2048 mBTC: 114 addresses
4096 mBTC: 145 addresses
8192 mBTC: 57 addresses
I made a similar list 12 days ago.
Disclaimer: this counts the total remaining balance, so addresses with more than 1 input or even outputs are also included.

I found that there are many bitcoin addresses for integers, such as 1btc, 0.5btc, 1M, 2m, 4m, 8m. Each integer bitcoin address has tens of thousands of addresses. If you hide yourself in tens of thousands of addresses. It is really impossible to trace the major breakthrough factors in the analysis of the combined confrontation chain,,,

I'm a novice. Do you mean the more addresses the chips are, the more anonymous they are？
1 mBTC: 265288 addresses
2 mBTC: 67005 addresses
4 mBTC: 30375 addresses
8 mBTC: 15431 addresses
500 mBTC: 37896 addresses
1000 mBTC: 88063 addresses

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Quote from: Husires on July 17, 2020, 08:23:48 AM

Quote from: HeRetiK on July 16, 2020, 12:25:17 PM

Also, how would you know for certain that the coins in question still belong to the scammer at the point they reach ChipMixer?

FBI is investigating and all blockchain data analysis have been called in.
if something deserves to be tracked, those currencies will be.
Justin Sun and Binance rewarded 1 Million Bounty On Bitcoin Scammers.
I don’t assume they will use CoinJoin or central mixing services Breaking Mixing Services.
bitcoin is pseudonymous so chipmixer.com will be one of the places that will be used.

this remember me to The lagest Bitcoin mixer is about to stop working

I have some research on hybrid technology. Neither coinjoin mixing technology nor traditional mixer can resist chain analysis (many mixers belong to the second generation mixing technology). The only innovative currency mixer is chipmixer.com At the moment, I can't break its anonymity.

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Quote from: LoyceV on July 20, 2020, 03:46:25 AM

Quote from: [email protected] on July 20, 2020, 03:16:19 AM

With the development of stain analysis technology, one day chipmixer.com Anonymity may be broken!

Let's count (potential) chips, which is all addresses funded with a specific amount. From List of all Bitcoin addresses with a balance:
1 mBTC: 265288 addresses
2 mBTC: 67005 addresses
4 mBTC: 30375 addresses
8 mBTC: 15431 addresses
16 mBTC: 7897 addresses
32 mBTC: 3878 addresses
64 mBTC: 1678 addresses
128 mBTC: 1155 addresses
256 mBTC: 597 addresses
500 mBTC: 37896 addresses
512 mBTC: 347 addresses
1000 mBTC: 88063 addresses
1024 mBTC: 338 addresses
2048 mBTC: 114 addresses
4096 mBTC: 145 addresses
8192 mBTC: 57 addresses
I made a similar list 12 days ago.
Disclaimer: this counts the total remaining balance, so addresses with more than 1 input or even outputs are also included.

I found that there are many bitcoin addresses for integers, such as 1btc, 0.5btc, 1M, 2m, 4m, 8m. Each integer bitcoin address has tens of thousands of addresses. If you hide yourself in tens of thousands of addresses. It is really impossible to trace the major breakthrough factors in the analysis of the combined confrontation chain,,,

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Quote from: [email protected] on July 20, 2020, 03:16:19 AM

With the development of stain analysis technology, one day chipmixer.com Anonymity may be broken!

Let's count (potential) chips, which is all addresses funded with a specific amount. From List of all Bitcoin addresses with a balance:
1 mBTC: 265288 addresses
2 mBTC: 67005 addresses
4 mBTC: 30375 addresses
8 mBTC: 15431 addresses
16 mBTC: 7897 addresses
32 mBTC: 3878 addresses
64 mBTC: 1678 addresses
128 mBTC: 1155 addresses
256 mBTC: 597 addresses
500 mBTC: 37896 addresses
512 mBTC: 347 addresses
1000 mBTC: 88063 addresses
1024 mBTC: 338 addresses
2048 mBTC: 114 addresses
4096 mBTC: 145 addresses
8192 mBTC: 57 addresses
I made a similar list 12 days ago.
Disclaimer: this counts the total remaining balance, so addresses with more than 1 input or even outputs are also included.

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Quote from: notblox1 on July 15, 2020, 02:18:39 PM

Did anyone had any issues with Bitcoins that you sent to exchanges after mixing coins with ChipMixer,
and do you have any suggestions about this and advice for reducing this (excluding not using centralized exchanges Wink

)?

By mixing currency chipmixer.com , and then come out through the gambling website!

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Algorithms for bitcoin hybrid services are developing. First generation hybrid service (bitcoin fog (fraud), dark Wallet， blockchain.info ）, second generation hybrid services（ bitmixer.io , coinmixer.se ）At present, the first generation of hybrid technology and the second generation of mixed currency technology can not resist the taint analysis, and it is easy to identify the source. At present, the third generation hybrid service is unique chipmixer.com With the development of stain analysis technology, one day chipmixer.com Anonymity may be broken!

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Quote from: HeRetiK on July 16, 2020, 12:25:17 PM

Also, how would you know for certain that the coins in question still belong to the scammer at the point they reach ChipMixer?

FBI is investigating and all blockchain data analysis have been called in.
if something deserves to be tracked, those currencies will be.
Justin Sun and Binance rewarded 1 Million Bounty On Bitcoin Scammers.
I don’t assume they will use CoinJoin or central mixing services Breaking Mixing Services.
bitcoin is pseudonymous so chipmixer.com will be one of the places that will be used.

this remember me to The lagest Bitcoin mixer is about to stop working

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Quote from: jackg on July 16, 2020, 10:42:14 AM

Quote from: Husires on July 16, 2020, 05:03:40 AM

Will ChipMixer.com ban or help in tracking bitcoin obtained due to #twitter_hack?
Will they help them if know they are the hackers and what will happen if a judicial or political ruling is issued in that regard?
All analysis firms will track that address and may end up sending coins to ChipMixer

They probably shouldn't... I originally thought at first it'd make sense for them to try to freeze the funds or something but now I don't.

What sort of a sign would this send out to people in the crypto space and beyond if a company aren't delivering on their promises... Also how do you know some of the funds didn't belong to the scammer before they were put through the mixer - contrary to what governments would want you to believe it's not exactly reasonable to take the whole of someone's money just because 10% was involved in illegality).

Most people sent small amounts too to test the waters...

Also, how would you know for certain that the coins in question still belong to the scammer at the point they reach ChipMixer?

If they sent it directly from their scam address to ChipMixer -- maybe. But once the coins start moving, split up across several addresses etc. they might as well already have been sold to some poor unwitting soul in a p2p trade, tunnelled through a crypto casino or similar smallish establishment or maybe even been used to buy goods and services. Blockchain analysis may show you how the coins flow, but it doesn't tell anything about ownership.

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Quote from: Husires on July 16, 2020, 05:03:40 AM

Will ChipMixer.com ban or help in tracking bitcoin obtained due to #twitter_hack?
Will they help them if know they are the hackers and what will happen if a judicial or political ruling is issued in that regard?
All analysis firms will track that address and may end up sending coins to ChipMixer

They probably shouldn't... I originally thought at first it'd make sense for them to try to freeze the funds or something but now I don't.

What sort of a sign would this send out to people in the crypto space and beyond if a company aren't delivering on their promises... Also how do you know some of the funds didn't belong to the scammer before they were put through the mixer - contrary to what governments would want you to believe it's not exactly reasonable to take the whole of someone's money just because 10% was involved in illegality).

Most people sent small amounts too to test the waters...

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Quote from: Husires on July 16, 2020, 05:03:40 AM

Will ChipMixer.com ban or help in tracking bitcoin obtained due to #twitter_hack?

You should read https://chipmixer.com/faq, under Fungibility? Why would I care? :

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Let's hear the expert:

First of all I was going to explain what we mean by fungibility before bitcoin and ecash. It's an old legal concept in fact, about paper currency. It's the idea that a one ten dollar note is the same as any other ten dollar note. If you receive a note that was involved in a theft, 10 transactions ago, and the police investigate the theft, they have no right to remove the ten dollar note from your pocket. It's not your fault that it was involved in a previous crime. And so bank notes actually have serial numbers, so it would be possible for a stolen note to be traced back to you.

This first arose, there was a 17th century court case where a wealthy merchant sent a couple of high-value bank notes to a colleague in the post and they never arrived. Before he sent them, he was quite paranoid that they would get stolen. He wrote down the serial numbers and made a mark on them. Sure enough they didn't arrive, so he put in a complaint with the bank, and evenutally the notes turned up at the bank. He tried to get the bank to return the notes to his ownership. The courts sided with the bank. Their reason was that if notes could be returned to their original owner after a theft, it would damage confidence in currency and it would be bad for business, the currency would become unusable because every time you received the paper note you would have to look in the newspaper whether it was reported stolen, or you would have the risk of it being taken, or you would have to rush to the bank to deposit it so that it was the bank's problem.(...)

Then we arrive at this problem of taint tracing. Because it's not very private, some people took an interest in tracing coins and I think the motivation was that there's a number of high-profile thefts of coins from exchanges and other businesses, and that's a problem for those businesses and they went out of businss because of it. Some people would like to put distance between themselves and coins that were used in illicit use. There is a law that says that currency is fungible, but because you can somewhat tell where a coin was used before, people started to care. Coin validation proposed to offer as a service to trace coins and try to give you a rating about how the history of the coin from your point of view and to offer that as a service to businesses. I think this could be quite dangerous because it goes back to that 17th century court case where now you could receive a coin that is perfectly valid at the time that you receive it, but a few weeks later a crime is uncovered and now your coin is tainted. So if this coin validation service is advicing many of the merchants where you would want to spend your coin at, it's tainted and now the merchant would refuse to accept your coin. That's a strange experience for you; you're holding a coin that you might have to sell at a discount to get rid of it. The aggregate effect of this might create a run on the bitcoin price. So it reopens this long-set legal principle that currency or currency units are all equal.

http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/bitcoin-adam3us-fungibility-privacy/

Will they help them if know they are the hackers and what will happen if a judicial or political ruling is issued in that regard?
All analysis firms will track that address and may end up sending coins to ChipMixer[/quote]

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Will ChipMixer.com ban or help in tracking bitcoin obtained due to #twitter_hack?
Will they help them if know they are the hackers and what will happen if a judicial or political ruling is issued in that regard?
All analysis firms will track that address and may end up sending coins to ChipMixer

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https://bit.ly/387FXHi lightning theory

Quote from: gentlemand on July 15, 2020, 03:19:34 PM

Quote from: notblox1 on July 15, 2020, 02:18:39 PM

Did anyone had any issues with Bitcoins that you sent to exchanges after mixing coins with ChipMixer,
and do you have any suggestions about this and advice for reducing this (excluding not using centralized exchanges Wink

)?

I occasionally send my earnings from the Chipmixer campaign direct to Kraken and that has an address with Chip in the name. They've never said a word to me about it yet. I'm not sure others will be as relaxed.

I've probably gone straight to an exchanfe in the past. I normally use other places though - like adding a few extra hops or use gambling sites/offshore exchanges that hide the trace a bit. 777coin and yolodice could work for making an anonymous account to break the chain (if you try to withdraw a different amount too from them then it might make you even less noticeable).

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Quote from: notblox1 on July 15, 2020, 02:18:39 PM

Did anyone had any issues with Bitcoins that you sent to exchanges after mixing coins with ChipMixer,
and do you have any suggestions about this and advice for reducing this (excluding not using centralized exchanges Wink

)?

I occasionally send my earnings from the Chipmixer campaign direct to Kraken and that has an address with Chip in the name. They've never said a word to me about it yet. I'm not sure others will be as relaxed.

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Quote from: notblox1 on July 15, 2020, 02:18:39 PM

Did anyone had any issues with Bitcoins that you sent to exchanges after mixing coins with ChipMixer,
and do you have any suggestions about this and advice for reducing this (excluding not using centralized exchanges Wink

)?

From my experience, never I got trouble and did it more than 1 time.
As for the suggestion: making fake transactions. I mean to send bitcoins to yourself to create transaction history (since they scan the lastest transactions). If you add a dozen of "hops" you can be pretty sure to be fine (from centralized exchanges at least)

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Did anyone had any issues with Bitcoins that you sent to exchanges after mixing coins with ChipMixer,
and do you have any suggestions about this and advice for reducing this (excluding not using centralized exchanges Wink

)?

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Chipmixer ranks first in Chinese list of 2020 currency mixers
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/2020-5247254

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