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May 10, 2015, 12:49:14 AM
Supporting the network,

legendary
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May 09, 2015, 03:17:15 PM
Hey man, good chatting with you...sorry I'm mobile and got disconnected!

No worries. I have send you e-mail. Smiley
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It's all mathematics...!
May 09, 2015, 03:14:48 PM
The current title of the thread is

 [ANN] [COV] Coven [3% PoS/33k Supply][Indistinguishability Obfuscator/Anno Feat]

Please make suggestions for an (intermediate!) thread subject, to get more attention to our search, and regrouping.

[ANN][COV][33k supply/3% PoS | Undertaker needed]

Grin

Now seriously... anyone had any luck with developer? 

Hey man, good chatting with you...sorry I'm mobile and got disconnected!
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May 09, 2015, 01:08:31 PM
The current title of the thread is

 [ANN] [COV] Coven [3% PoS/33k Supply][Indistinguishability Obfuscator/Anno Feat]

Please make suggestions for an (intermediate!) thread subject, to get more attention to our search, and regrouping.

[ANN][COV][33k supply/3% PoS | Undertaker needed]

Grin

Now seriously... anyone had any luck with developer? 
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May 09, 2015, 12:48:59 PM
The current title of the thread is

 [ANN] [COV] Coven [3% PoS/33k Supply][Indistinguishability Obfuscator/Anno Feat]

Please make suggestions for an (intermediate!) thread subject, to get more attention to our search, and regrouping.
legendary
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May 09, 2015, 11:08:24 AM
did we find a great dev?

i have preppared coins for donate - escrow Smiley

i bought all at 0.001 price

i would like to continue the development and progress  Grin
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It's all mathematics...!
May 09, 2015, 10:36:17 AM
EDIT: I can do the escrow. Will not risk my reputation for pennies and if my intentions was to dump it I had a lot of chances to do so.
Yes, why not. Me I have no objections. Other opinions?  

I have only a wish: Then start speaking better words about our coin please :-)  

I said that I will hold the coin despite the outcome, can help with donation and will do the escrow (if people in here are agree with that). Those a the only better words which I can say for the moment.

Escrow with a roadmap looks like the best option..it gives peace of mind and protection for the community! I will give 500 cov coin with a email commitment from the dev and the 1300-1400 community cov coin should be held in escrow and released as a future roadmap is fulfilled! trusted community members should review the progress and release the community bounty upon approval of the trusted members...I recommend Drakoin and Spartak take the lead on the escrow! Again this is very risky and just my thoughts...please don't invest what you can't afford to lose!!!
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May 09, 2015, 03:31:06 AM
EDIT: I can do the escrow. Will not risk my reputation for pennies and if my intentions was to dump it I had a lot of chances to do so.
Yes, why not. Me I have no objections. Other opinions?  

I have only a wish: Then start speaking better words about our coin please :-)  

I said that I will hold the coin despite the outcome, can help with donation and will do the escrow (if people in here are agree with that). Those a the only better words which I can say for the moment.
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May 08, 2015, 11:07:56 PM
Block time of COV is decreasing & becoming more regular!

I have downloaded all of the blocks, and done some measurements.

Why? I was interested to see if the highly irregular, and very slow block time (at the end of April)

... has now been improving since we put so much effort into this, by running 24/7 staking nodes, etc.



Here is some statistics:

I have made moving averages over 10 or 20 blocks; calculated the mean
= how long do I have to wait for the next block, on average.

And standard deviation (square root of variance)
= how much are the block times differing from that average value?
(if standard deviation were 0, then all blocks came out after the exactly same number of seconds).



This post here explains more why (and how) I cared about this, some lines cited:

Staking... I offer to leave this wallet running, so there is a staking node. To improve the network. If you want to increase the Stake Weight of this node, send some COV coins there. Every bit helps.
COV address of this 24/7 staking node: CQfH2dwUcGXcxvfxU2nqoqGC4qcbSipvRX
^ that was the beginning of something beautiful.
...
... More there in that long post ...
...

The results:
  • Anyways ... if this works out, IMHO we have proven that
    opportunity PLUS action PLUS money PLUS knowledge PLUS discipline ... can cooperate:
    • opportunity = given by CovenDev
    • action = initiated and executed by drakoin
    • money = provided by spartak_t
    • knowledge = shared by tx42
    • discipline = the unknown big guy who is properly staking his ~2000 coins.
  • There is a real chance that COV can be saved.
  • ... by us magicians ourselves!
Looks like we were a team, for a moment :-) A real coven ...



Summary:

The average10 and average20 have gone down, from over 2000 seconds (~30 minutes) to less than 1000 seconds ... that is great. COV is still slower than bitcoin, but not much.
The stdev10 and stdev20 have gone down, that is also good, because the unpredictability of the moment of arrival of the next block is reduced.

Thanks to everyone who is helping by staking!


Still, it would be nice to somehow make the coin rhythm cleaner - one of the first tasks for our new dev.

Or is it only a question of more of us staking our coins?


EDIT: Feel free to donate for my work:
CQfH2dwUcGXcxvfxU2nqoqGC4qcbSipvRX
and your donations will increase the staking weight.
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May 08, 2015, 05:45:32 PM
DNotes
I had another look. Thanks for reminding me, spartak_t.
That you could name one coin out of hundreds of highly celebrated "this is not a shitcoin" attempts ... is not a proof, but I have to admit: Even after this long time, DNotes hasn't crashed yet. And that is something!
Now going through my backups, I have found an old wallet.dat. Yiehah. Syncing as we speak. I actually mined DNotes, and put them aside, never looked at them again. Really cool, thanks for the reminder that DNotes still exists. The wallet.dat of my other >50 coins from that era ... are probably worthless. But DNotes actually made it this far - cool. Not rich, really not, but a few unexpected dollars. Nice. Now of course the questions is: How far is Dnotes in its P&D cycle? Each coins has its own time scale. Sell now, or continue keeping them? Anyways, that is off-topic here. Just wanted to share my happiness :-)



EDIT: I can do the escrow. Will not risk my reputation for pennies and if my intentions was to dump it I had a lot of chances to do so.
Yes, why not. Me I have no objections. Other opinions?  


I have only a wish: Then start speaking better words about our coin please :-)  


Mined a block  Smiley


Congrats! And thx for helping the network.

My 24/7 node is staking, too - just checked it, all fine. My last block was 52 blocks ago.


I will send my 500 cov when the dev commits because I have total respect for him!
Cool, now that is what I call a good incentive!

Perhaps it is even better if all the magic givers choose their own way?



I'm sure we can work out a payment arrangement based on production for the community...
Yes.

I only suggested the stepwise payment, because of the expressed doubts that a new dev could just dump whatever he receives, and run away never to be seen again.

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That basically means some developer to work on COV until it hits those targets, dump it and game over.
... I understand your doubts. Perhaps the payout structure should reflect that? Stepwise, whenever a roadmap step is implemented, he gets another batch? There are many ways to organize this.
There are many ways to organize this. Make suggestions, please.



I am also asking around if I can find an interested dev.

Takeover Crowdsourced Bounty Status:...
100+60+150+500+500+500+50 = 1860 COV
... is a lot of money. ... Competent CoinDevs, come flocking to us - and present us your track record, please.
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May 08, 2015, 04:11:09 PM
Mined a block  Smiley

legendary
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May 08, 2015, 03:36:29 PM
some developer can make good profit on it, but only if he works, deliver and hold.
Agreed.

i think your 1860 coins must be sent to an escrow
only deliver to dev if real work on the coin
The escrow could protect ... the CoinDev from not getting paid.

But the investors need to be protected too. Namely from a CoinDev who does not deliver in the end, or bails prematurely.


Let us work out a scheme, in which the dev funds will be released step by step.

I will send my 500 cov when the dev commits because I have total respect for him! I'm sure we can work out a payment arrangement based on production for the community...we will see as things unfold in the coming weeks! Again don't get your hopes up on this!!! Can't express that enough...I'm not sure if this will even work out!
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May 08, 2015, 12:12:17 PM
DNotes
What makes you think DNotes is not a P&D ... is simply that DNotes is still in its P-phase:
https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_note
http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/dnotes/

Once this (admittedly impressive) price rise will turn around and collapse into the D-phase
... DNotes will also leave a lot of people bagholding.

Why should it be different from all the other cryptocoins?


DNotes growth was natural imho (look at the volume through the months), it was never been hyped, team behind it is active and it is here for 1+ years. What more you can want from any given cryptocurrency?

EDIT: I can do the escrow. Will not risk my reputation for pennies and if my intentions was to dump it I had a lot of chances to do so.
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May 08, 2015, 12:10:45 PM
some developer can make good profit on it, but only if he works, deliver and hold.
Agreed.

i think your 1860 coins must be sent to an escrow
only deliver to dev if real work on the coin
The escrow could protect ... the CoinDev from not getting paid.

But the investors need to be protected too. Namely from a CoinDev who does not deliver in the end, or bails prematurely.


Let us work out a scheme, in which the dev funds will be released step by step.
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May 08, 2015, 12:09:32 PM
DNotes
What makes you think DNotes is not a P&D ... is simply that DNotes is still in its P-phase:
https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_note
http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/dnotes/

Once this (admittedly impressive) price rise will turn around and collapse into the D-phase
... DNotes will also leave a lot of people bagholding.

Why should it be different from all the other cryptocoins?
legendary
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@FAILCommunity
May 08, 2015, 12:00:56 PM
Show me a coin which can be proven not to be a P&D scheme? For which current cryptocurrency can you guarantee that it will be worth more than 0 USD in 10 years?

DNotes though you can't guarantee anything for 10 years ahead... even Bitcoin.
legendary
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May 08, 2015, 11:59:08 AM
i think your 1860 coins must be sent to an escrow
only deliver to dev if real work on the coin
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May 08, 2015, 11:58:22 AM
Show me a coin which can be proven not to be a P&D scheme? For which current cryptocurrency can you guarantee that it will be worth more than 0 USD in 10 years?
legendary
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May 08, 2015, 11:40:48 AM
Well, COV is just another shitcoin to me and despite that invested some BTC in it I'd rather lose them all insted participating in something, which could be another P&D scheme. I can agree that some developer can make good profit on it, but only if he works, deliver and hold. Nowdays this is nearly impossible and that is why I think that Coven is dead.

EDIT: The "dev" made the stupid mistake to say that he will no longer support COV. This action caused COV to be dumped. I highly doubt that the price will be that low if he didn't said that. In business (if we accept it as business) there are certain things you just can't say to people.
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May 08, 2015, 11:36:27 AM
On the other hand, no one forces that same developer to sell all his coins at one of the mentioned prices.
I have given them only, because those prices shall provide the explanation that 5.5% of the supply can become an awful lot of money. That is why I also wrote:

... dollars, or more ...

If an interested dev comes around, and continues to develop this coin over a long period of time, he knows that he can help to extend the price rise into a looooong upwards phase.
Slowly selling these 5.5% will give him much more. MUCH more. e.g. 1860 COV * 0.004 BTC/COV = 7.44 BTC

But I understand your doubts. Perhaps the payout structure should reflect that? Stepwise, whenever a roadmap step is implemented, he gets another batch? There are many ways to organize this.
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