Topic: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning - page 832. (Read 2006411 times)

You're contradicting yourself here. If there is a choice, and some choose one way and others choose another way - which part of this you're having a problem with?

That's how crypto forks work. Even a single dissenter with a CPU miner could keep the original chain alive. Should have thought about that BEFORE supporting a hard fork instead of expecting "respect" after the fact.

Not everybody.
Corrected for you.

so dao investors get their eth back
eth holders get free etc to hold or dump
exchanges make more in trading fees
pools make more in mining fees
everybody plays ...everybody wins

Thank You . it is clear now

did polinex just create the tokens out of thin air or can anyone with prefork ether also create etc...absent from putting it on polinex and having them do conversion?

Because if one can create etc from pre fork eth and be able to retain both, then isn't it possible that eth wales ...like exchanges and like the dev team are just using this opportunity to make more of a bundle.

best of both worlds...get back DAO money from HF eth.........and create fee etc from original chain

its a no brainer....why not support non fork eth too....all that etc is free. they could dump anytime or if it gains traction hold and make more.

Haha, look at this example of censorship @bitpop is doing.

Are you really that scared?

http://imgur.com/a/hG0ue

There isn't any difference whatsoever. The ONLY difference is the price. Forked ETH is much more expensive than non-forked ETH. If you need ETH as a fuel for your smart contract needs the choice is obvious The ONLY reason ETH was forked is to bail out bad bets made in the DAO casino.

Since I don't care about the DAO project I don't care who will benefit from $60M in eth at stake whether this amount will go to the forkers around Vitalik or to the person that exposed DAO weak point.

what is going on. as i understand it. and i am really not fit in the technical terms.
is it right with the decition to do the HF the devs and miners opened the door for the situation now. a chain that is splited in 2 at the moment. a smooth HF would have ended in one of the chains dieing real fast. but it didnt
and now there are 2 lines ? the comunity is asked to choose one with there money. the community that didnt have to do anything with the dao? but the dao guys are save now ?
am i right so far ? if not pls coccect me. its just a  puting together of infos i got so far .....

In other words: it's a new altcoin without the backing of The Ethereum Team, without the backing of The Ethereum Foundation, and with their own tokens called ETC at exchanges.

They have their own thread too: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15702715

But for some reason mr.bitpop has decided to hang in this thread just to confuse people.

in other words.. its the leftover of an abandoned chain by the Dev team and its supporters.
You are still spamming the wrong thread.

This is for ETH

You have made your own uber censored North Korea-lookalike thread.
You should stick to it.

Ethereum Classic is original ethereum before they did a centralized fork.

awww.. if you only understod bots..

is this project (Ethereum Classic) in relation with ETH ? i am confused please let us know the different between the two if not ? 

Volume is incredible! 13,000,000 ETC 13,000 BTC

Seems like they dumped all they could and the smart ones bought ETC.

Keep it up, more exchanges coming soon! Poloniex supported us and did extremely well.

ETC doesn't support the thief. It doesn't judge/target anyone.

Feel free to support ETH or even your local centralized bank, which would take the same action, but don't cry in X years, when ETH freezes/takes your money because enough powerful people judge you to be a criminal.

o m g and again no
gosh do i have to teach you the basics a fair justice?!  the victim cant be teh judge or the cop. judge and execution has to be independen. other wise it is a interest conflict in justic there is no shortcut put the facts on the table and have a judge rule. otherwise its lynchmop. or are you one that shots first and asks question later. ups the guy is dead but i thougth.... uhhh
god beware us if people with such a mind set get in power over us.

I guess the answer is yes.

I was open to finding a reason to accept Ethereum Classic as a legitimate alt.

Sadly, there is nothing here.

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I will try to address some points though.

The choice given was fork or not. A majority of the aforementioned groups chose the proposed HF, including F2Pool. I guess they found that they had to, as they themselves suggested. I am sure there are people who disagree with how "democratic" it was, but the existence of Ethereum Classic shows that there was a choice. And, ironically, they're the ones who have decided not to respect this choice.

There was a hashrate spike yesterday when ETC was listed on polo, but it's declining now. At max I think it was still below 7%. And some of those were ETH miners trying to attack the network.

Yes, ETC is listed at polo and a couple of other places, but it is not listed as ETH. Therefore, you didn't get the exchanges with you.

Users.... well, If you retained any users this should show in price. Atm the price of ETC is 1/20 of ETH and rapidly declining.

I'm sure there is more I can poke a hole in, but if people don't see the big picture now, I doubt they ever will.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

Last I checked the ETH developers implemented a design to make this possible.

They gave us the means. They created the wallet for this project. They have pledged support to this project.

All you had to do was click "no" in your wallet. Then you were on ETC. You had to disagree with a change for technical reasons. It had nothing to do with your vote.

This is within the design created by the Ethereum project that forked away from the chain.


It's amazing how much stupid I see coming from this thread.

Vitalik's team created ETC. They got the miners, users, and exchanges to follow them against their will. They were given a "choice", not a choice. The process was not truly democratic. A pool voted against it and was forced to fork. The pools that voted for it had terrible turnout. Turnout that was so bad any true democratic process would have thrown out the vote and tried again. Is it not true that if I send 2 Ether to the "yes" wallet and 1 Ether to the "no" wallet that both would count? So, if I wanted to have a thousandmillion votes I just needed to be the next Soros, right?

Is that a democratic process?

Is that consensus?

Does it even matter now? We've already heard from enough people to know that there are people within the foundation that disagree with the fork and have committed to helping ETC.

Or are you willfully blind to the statements being made?

You say they had the miners. We're showing you they didn't with hashrate. We have new pools joining every day, and more miners joining as they find out about us.

You say they had the users. We're showing you they didn't with volume, price, tweets, threads, etc.

You say they had the exchanges. We're showing you they didn't by getting added to more exchanges and those exchanges issuing the tokens ETC holders are owed. Bitfinex and Shapeshift coming soon.

What more do you need to see there isn't a consensus here?

How about this thread on Steem?
https://steemit.com/ethereum/@pigeons/conversation-between-vitalik-and-exchanges

You've never had the support of the exchanges or the pools. They were forced.

http://www.coindesk.com/hard-fork-ethereum-dao/

Did you really have the support of the miners? This article suggests you didn't.

F2pool said:
"We are as a matter of principle against unduly rushed or controversial hard forks irrespective of the team proposing and we will not run such code on production systems nor mine any block from that hard-fork. I believe this is universal and it could be applied to ethereum, too. I fail to see why we must take such a controversial and risky hard fork. We are not willing to deploy this hard fork unless we have to."

Consensus? We have it. Do you?

Fitting.
https://twitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/757377362677764096

No devs eh.
https://decentralize.today/a-tale-of-two-chains-3f6d58a9df4a#.x9jm54rrm
https://twitter.com/gavofyork/status/757197495801880576

This is why ETC exists.
https://twitter.com/Excellion/status/757006923057078272

What's wrong with ETH.
https://twitter.com/ChandlerGuo/status/757191880740184064