Critical article but interesting - and not totally wrong:
A Painful Lesson For The Ethereum Community
http://www.forbes.com/sites/francescoppola/2016/07/21/a-painful-lesson-for-the-ethereum-community/#494412bf5714
Topic: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning - page 852. (Read 2007099 times)
Don't Worry, Devs are safe because they don't live in U.S. !!!
http://qntra.net/2016/07/alleged-hero-arrested/
http://qntra.net/2016/07/alleged-hero-arrested/
Coinbase adds support for Ethereum
Which one of the three ethereums we currently have, pumpy?Vitaliks cock pump must be broken today, are you assisting mr pumpy?
Coinbase adds support for Ethereum
Which one of the three ethereums we currently have, pumpy?
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I get a good profit today from eth hope will reach 0.02 soon ? the story of eth hard fork spread widely
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Coinbase adds support for Ethereum
https://twitter.com/SatoshiShinohai/status/755781426578984961
Shit is still shit, even if you scare all the flies off.
Bitcoin is antifragile. Ethereum, not so much.
Cites:
http://elaineou.com/2016/07/18/stick-a-fork-in-ethereum/#forkyou
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The DAO controlled $150M worth of ether, and an attacker exploited a bug to extract $60M of that. This current reality is unacceptable to many people.
The only way to get the ether back is to create an alternate reality where the attacker does not have anything.
“Invent a new version of the universe” is normally not permitted by the software protocol, which is why this involves a client update and a hard fork.
If there truly was “social consensus” – and I mean the actual definition of “consensus”, which is unanimous consent – there would be no problem with the fork. It wouldn’t even be a fork, simply a mass migration. Just don’t expect anyone to take your “unstoppable computer” very seriously after that.
The only way to get the ether back is to create an alternate reality where the attacker does not have anything.
“Invent a new version of the universe” is normally not permitted by the software protocol, which is why this involves a client update and a hard fork.
If there truly was “social consensus” – and I mean the actual definition of “consensus”, which is unanimous consent – there would be no problem with the fork. It wouldn’t even be a fork, simply a mass migration. Just don’t expect anyone to take your “unstoppable computer” very seriously after that.
http://elaineou.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/forkyou-1.pdf
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Types of Hard Fork
• “Let’s collectively agree to change the rules that allow for securely updating future states.” -Software Update
• “Let’s collectively agree to break the rules, just this once.” -51% Attack
• “Let’s collectively agree to change the rules that allow for securely updating future states.” -Software Update
• “Let’s collectively agree to break the rules, just this once.” -51% Attack
"Just the tip" -VB, basically
"OK, just this once *wink-wink*" -Coinbase, basically
Coinbase adds support for Ethereum
Which one of the three ethereums we currently have, pumpy? 21 Jul 2016
Coinbase adds support for Ethereum
We are pleased to announce that Coinbase is adding support for Ethereum. Consumers can now easily buy, sell, send, and store Ether in their Coinbase account. To get started, visit the “Trade” page on Coinbase.com or tap on “Buy” or “Sell” options in our iOS or Android apps.
https://blog.coinbase.com/2016/07/21/coinbase-adds-support-for-ethereum/
There has been a lot of activity in Ethereum recently: the largest crowdfunding in history (The DAO), the subsequent attack on The DAO, and a resulting hard fork. Ethereum is still in an early and experimental phase, and as it matures will likely evolve to serve a different purpose than Bitcoin. In the meantime, Ethereum is pushing the digital currency ecosystem forward and we are excited to support it as part of our mission to create an open financial system for the world.
In May, we added Ethereum trading on GDAX, our professional digital asset exchange. With the addition of Ethereum on Coinbase, consumers in 32 countries can acquire Ether and take part in an open financial system facilitated by Ethereum and Bitcoin.
Finally, we recently announced the Coinbase Buy Widget, a tool for trusted partners to embed Coinbase’s buying service within their sites and apps. The Coinbase Buy Widget now also supports ETH purchases in addition to BTC.
To learn more about Ethereum, please visit our page about Ethereum and check out this post by our co-founder Fred Ehrsam.
Your feedback is important to us. Feel free to reach out to us at our Community Forum. If you don’t have a Coinbase account, sign up here!
WOW
So on the next fork should it be called ETH-F2?
I think we need to decide on a standard fork version naming scheme. It's going to get confusing.
Maybe a designation for each organization that demands the fork?
Like
ETH-F1.DAO.1
ETH-F1.DAO.2
ETH-F2.FBI.1
ETH-F3.ICPO.1
ETH-F4.IMF.1
Whats the World Bank designation?
I think we need to decide on a standard fork version naming scheme. It's going to get confusing.
Maybe a designation for each organization that demands the fork?
Like
ETH-F1.DAO.1
ETH-F1.DAO.2
ETH-F2.FBI.1
ETH-F3.ICPO.1
ETH-F4.IMF.1
Whats the World Bank designation?
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Kind of like when a bank accidentally deposits money into the wrong account, and they roll back the transaction. If you withdrew the money you get charged, etc.
Isn't Ether supposed to be different? I thought we weren't able to do this with crypto. I thought cryptocurrencies were supposed to be different than banks.
Ether proved me wrong.
Kind of like when a bank accidentally deposits money into the wrong account, and they roll back the transaction. If you withdrew the money you get charged, etc.
Isn't Ether supposed to be different? I thought we weren't able to do this with crypto. I thought cryptocurrencies were supposed to be different than banks.
Ether proved me wrong.
No need to prove anything, you are wrong. Banks do not declare all transactions are law (IE set in stone) in their mission statement. ETH-F has broken many fundamentals it originally stated as unchangeable and has therefore broken it's contract.
You don't have to like it but it is fact. Denying it won't make it change.
ETH-F should start a new thread anyway and lock the old one just for the fact the original thread clearly proves they did not adhere to their stated goals. Duh
Did you even understand my point? You're arguing with me but agreeing with me in the same post. Try understanding my point.
LOL, my bad!
I got distracted half way through your post and never got to the rest of it!
It's cool. Glad we can see eye to eye now.
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Kind of like when a bank accidentally deposits money into the wrong account, and they roll back the transaction. If you withdrew the money you get charged, etc.
Isn't Ether supposed to be different? I thought we weren't able to do this with crypto. I thought cryptocurrencies were supposed to be different than banks.
Ether proved me wrong.
Kind of like when a bank accidentally deposits money into the wrong account, and they roll back the transaction. If you withdrew the money you get charged, etc.
Isn't Ether supposed to be different? I thought we weren't able to do this with crypto. I thought cryptocurrencies were supposed to be different than banks.
Ether proved me wrong.
No need to prove anything, you are wrong. Banks do not declare all transactions are law (IE set in stone) in their mission statement. ETH-F has broken many fundamentals it originally stated as unchangeable and has therefore broken it's contract.
You don't have to like it but it is fact. Denying it won't make it change.
ETH-F should start a new thread anyway and lock the old one just for the fact the original thread clearly proves they did not adhere to their stated goals. Duh
Did you even understand my point? You're arguing with me but agreeing with me in the same post. Try understanding my point.
LOL, my bad!
I got distracted half way through your post and never got to the rest of it!
wow what a typical monero holder trolling each other LOLLL
Just saw the notice on Coinbase so it's official.
more news
\Etherindex LLC Files SEC Prospectus for First Ether-Based ETF
http://www.ethereum.net/news/spotlight/etherindex-llc-files-sec-prospectus-for-first-ether-based-etf
\Etherindex LLC Files SEC Prospectus for First Ether-Based ETF
http://www.ethereum.net/news/spotlight/etherindex-llc-files-sec-prospectus-for-first-ether-based-etf
That's fine.
We'll make an ETH Classic ETF.
Sounds like a job for MPEX!
So what's next for ethereum? Dao and smart contracts are dead. How will you continue the shitcoin pump?
Maybe they could use smart contracts and DAOs to build a "better" soda machine. It's working great for Dash, even John McAfee was impressed with such "awesome technology."
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Kind of like when a bank accidentally deposits money into the wrong account, and they roll back the transaction. If you withdrew the money you get charged, etc.
Isn't Ether supposed to be different? I thought we weren't able to do this with crypto. I thought cryptocurrencies were supposed to be different than banks.
Ether proved me wrong.
Kind of like when a bank accidentally deposits money into the wrong account, and they roll back the transaction. If you withdrew the money you get charged, etc.
Isn't Ether supposed to be different? I thought we weren't able to do this with crypto. I thought cryptocurrencies were supposed to be different than banks.
Ether proved me wrong.
No need to prove anything, you are wrong. Banks do not declare all transactions are law (IE set in stone) in their mission statement. ETH-F has broken many fundamentals it originally stated as unchangeable and has therefore broken it's contract.
You don't have to like it but it is fact. Denying it won't make it change.
ETH-F should start a new thread anyway and lock the old one just for the fact the original thread clearly proves they did not adhere to their stated goals. Duh
Did you even understand my point? You're arguing with me but agreeing with me in the same post. Try understanding my point.
LOL, my bad!
I got distracted half way through your post and never got to the rest of it!
If someone's eth gets hacked now in the "new" world can he request a hard fork?
o yeah i like my own hard fork i dont like this new ether.
You want some cheese to this whine?
So what's next for ethereum? Dao and smart contracts are dead. How will you continue the shitcoin pump?
You want cheese.. i see.
Sorry to see you so sad for falling off the train. It has now left the station and wont come back.
Why not start the cry party in your own thread?
This is the thread for those following the dev-team.
Kinda tiresome seeing you whine and nag like a butthurt b.....
MOVE ON.
If someone's eth gets hacked now in the "new" world can he request a hard fork?
o yeah i like my own hard fork i dont like this new ether.
You want some cheese to this whine?
So what's next for ethereum? Dao and smart contracts are dead. How will you continue the shitcoin pump?
This thread needs to be given to ethc. Eth-hf needs a new thread.
Meh..
The few thief-friends can go somewhere else and have their own party.
Thanks, join my petition https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/petition-change-owner-of-ethereum-thread-1559622
The thread is now misleading as the the original ethereum is now called ETHC which retains being immutable.
ETH-HF must create a new announcement with new ethos and current thread given to ETHC. Another possibility is locking the thread since that version of ethereum no longer exists.
You misunderstood.
The hacker-thief-supporters which are not the majority, but seemingly a tiny tiny minority paying to look bigger.
YOU and those supporters should go somewhere else.
This thread is for the main project of ETH... and as voted, the thief is not part of it.
You don't seem to understand as well.. Its not a "thief" - it's merely someone who found a flaw in the code and used it for its own advantage.
The DAO contract was bugged - not ETH and IMHO a rollback / hardfork because a bugged contract should absolutely NOT be possible in a modern, decentralized crypto currency. However - they forked it anyway which is the right decision for some people and the wrong decision for others, you probably never get it right for everyone.
Wrong, code is law. Vitaliks own words. His only selling point.
So Vitaliks makes the law now? In what country? Certainly not in the United States. Code is not law. Flaws in code are not law. Exploiting flaws in code to take something that does not belong to you is not legal.
The point you are missing along with the other people who share your motives is that you cannot take something that does not belong to you without permission. It doesn't matter how you do it. You claim the code allowed the thief to do it therefore what he did was legal. But what about the owners of the ETH that was taken? If they had no knowledge of the taking or reasonable belief that their ETH was theirs and that no one could take it without their permission AND they claim they did not give said permission, then whoever took it should have given it back. Once he knew that what he did was not intended he should have offered it back. By keeping it, not divulging his mistake and not offering to return it he willfully kept something that was not his. Hence, he stole it.
You must be one of those people who when a cashier gives you too much change you keep it, right? Such an honest person.
gosh ...... and again yes the daos ether was taken by someone in a unethical way ...... and big money was on japady becouse of this bad code of thedao........ but they bailed out the investors.....by this hardfork..... the taker could have been punished in some other ways too but no they feared damage on there investment just like big banks
tooo big to fail isnt it
and dont say to dont understand the difference...
If someone's eth gets hacked now in the "new" world can he request a hard fork?
o yeah i like my own hard fork i dont like this new ether.
You want some cheese to this whine?
If someone's eth gets hacked now in the "new" world can he request a hard fork?
o yeah i like my own hard fork i dont like this new ether.
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