[ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning - page 855.

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Quote from: killerjoegreece on July 21, 2016, 06:46:03 AM

Quote from: Perryl on July 21, 2016, 06:40:49 AM

Quote from: Wesiematic on July 21, 2016, 06:37:43 AM

I don't understand, what's going on now, there 2 different Ether now?

Actually, 3.

Ether Classic - no hard fork

Ether hf? - hard fork

Ether Regenesis - New instance with no premine.

wow it seems people did not like that change...

Not really.. notice the nicks, their status, their activity.

Summed up: Ignore them.

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Quote from: Perryl on July 21, 2016, 06:40:49 AM

Quote from: Wesiematic on July 21, 2016, 06:37:43 AM

I don't understand, what's going on now, there 2 different Ether now?

Actually, 3.

Ether Classic - no hard fork

Ether hf? - hard fork

Ether Regenesis - New instance with no premine.

wow it seems people did not like that change...

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Quote from: Wesiematic on July 21, 2016, 06:37:43 AM

I don't understand, what's going on now, there 2 different Ether now?

Actually, 3.

Ether Classic - no hard fork

Ether hf? - hard fork

Ether Regenesis - New instance with no premine.

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I don't understand, what's going on now, there 2 different Ether now?

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Quote from: Perryl on July 21, 2016, 06:27:50 AM

I do agree that a new thread should be created.

People who say there are just 4 people saying this are exceptionally ignorant and should be ignored.

You can check the activity yourself..
You can use fingers to count, because you wont need many Wink

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I do agree that a new thread should be created.

People who say there are just 4 people saying this are exceptionally ignorant and should be ignored.

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Quote from: bitpop on July 21, 2016, 06:16:41 AM

Quote from: roselee on July 21, 2016, 06:15:53 AM

Quote from: bitpop on July 21, 2016, 06:09:29 AM

Vitalik, I'm asking you to lock this thread and start a new thread for ethf.

Also I'd like to quote this

Quote from: theymos on July 21, 2016, 05:17:46 AM

I don't follow altcoins at all, but it seems to me that Ethereum's main problem here was that its economy wasn't backed by very many full nodes at all. See:
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Full_node#Economic_strength
https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-core/features/validation

I'd guess that 99% of ETH owners were using EWallets. This is extremely dangerous, since it gives those EWallets massive control over the network. This is exactly the sort of centralization risk that Bitcoin experts are constantly warning about in relation to the max block size. It is absolutely essential that the economy be backed by many independent full nodes so that miners + a small handful of "major players" can't completely change the currency.

I believe 99% of ethf users were in it for the pump and dump. None had an intent to run nodes, create an economy, build contracts, nothing.

Vitalik has set a precedent. If there's ever child porn, drugs, gambling, etc. The fbi can come straight to his house and he has 0 deniability. He'll be in jail for contempt.

yes vitalik be so fair
the hf overrun normal ether holders in favor of investors how did get there bailout. but it would be fair to close this thread couse its not the old ether classic one anymore .
let both sides start a new thread. at least that would be fair.

I'm no longer asking for this thread, only for closure. Op was selling immutable tokens which no longer exist. Keeping this thread is deceitful.

Yawns ...

You wont succeed with this.
Now scurry off to your own thread with your 4 friends.

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Quote from: roselee on July 21, 2016, 06:15:53 AM

Quote from: bitpop on July 21, 2016, 06:09:29 AM

Vitalik, I'm asking you to lock this thread and start a new thread for ethf.

Also I'd like to quote this

Quote from: theymos on July 21, 2016, 05:17:46 AM

I don't follow altcoins at all, but it seems to me that Ethereum's main problem here was that its economy wasn't backed by very many full nodes at all. See:
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Full_node#Economic_strength
https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-core/features/validation

I'd guess that 99% of ETH owners were using EWallets. This is extremely dangerous, since it gives those EWallets massive control over the network. This is exactly the sort of centralization risk that Bitcoin experts are constantly warning about in relation to the max block size. It is absolutely essential that the economy be backed by many independent full nodes so that miners + a small handful of "major players" can't completely change the currency.

I believe 99% of ethf users were in it for the pump and dump. None had an intent to run nodes, create an economy, build contracts, nothing.

Vitalik has set a precedent. If there's ever child porn, drugs, gambling, etc. The fbi can come straight to his house and he has 0 deniability. He'll be in jail for contempt.

yes vitalik be so fair
the hf overrun normal ether holders in favor of investors how did get there bailout. but it would be fair to close this thread couse its not the old ether classic one anymore .
let both sides start a new thread. at least that would be fair.

I'm no longer asking for this thread, only for closure. Op was selling immutable tokens which no longer exist. Keeping this thread is deceitful.

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Quote from: bitpop on July 21, 2016, 06:09:29 AM

Vitalik, I'm asking you to lock this thread and start a new thread for ethf.

Also I'd like to quote this

Quote from: theymos on July 21, 2016, 05:17:46 AM

I don't follow altcoins at all, but it seems to me that Ethereum's main problem here was that its economy wasn't backed by very many full nodes at all. See:
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Full_node#Economic_strength
https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-core/features/validation

I'd guess that 99% of ETH owners were using EWallets. This is extremely dangerous, since it gives those EWallets massive control over the network. This is exactly the sort of centralization risk that Bitcoin experts are constantly warning about in relation to the max block size. It is absolutely essential that the economy be backed by many independent full nodes so that miners + a small handful of "major players" can't completely change the currency.

I believe 99% of ethf users were in it for the pump and dump. None had an intent to run nodes, create an economy, build contracts, nothing.

Vitalik has set a precedent. If there's ever child porn, drugs, gambling, etc. The fbi can come straight to his house and he has 0 deniability. He'll be in jail for contempt.

yes vitalik be so fair
the hf overrun normal ether holders in favor of investors who did get there bailout. but it would be fair to close this thread couse its not the old ether classic one anymore .
let both sides start a new thread. at least that would be fair.

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Quote from: sock54321 on July 21, 2016, 05:16:48 AM

Which one is the real coin now?

Neither. Also, there is a 3rd instance of Ether called Ethergen.

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Quote from: ocminer on July 21, 2016, 04:24:32 AM

Quote from: frostminer on July 21, 2016, 04:19:41 AM

Quote from: bitpop on July 21, 2016, 04:14:16 AM

Quote from: frostminer on July 21, 2016, 03:49:56 AM

Quote from: bitpop on July 21, 2016, 03:33:08 AM

This thread needs to be given to ethc. Eth-hf needs a new thread.

Meh..
The few thief-friends can go somewhere else and have their own party.

Thanks, join my petition https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/petition-change-owner-of-ethereum-thread-1559622

The thread is now misleading as the the original ethereum is now called ETHC which retains being immutable.

ETH-HF must create a new announcement with new ethos and current thread given to ETHC. Another possibility is locking the thread since that version of ethereum no longer exists.

You misunderstood.

The hacker-thief-supporters which are not the majority, but seemingly a tiny tiny minority paying to look bigger.

YOU and those supporters should go somewhere else.

This thread is for the main project of ETH... and as voted, the thief is not part of it.

You don't seem to understand as well.. Its not a "thief" - it's merely someone who found a flaw in the code and used it for its own advantage.

The DAO contract was bugged - not ETH and IMHO a rollback / hardfork because a bugged contract should absolutely NOT be possible in a modern, decentralized crypto currency. However - they forked it anyway which is the right decision for some people and the wrong decision for others, you probably never get it right for everyone.

Will you open a ETHC pool?

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Vitalik, I'm asking you to lock this thread and start a new thread for ethf.

Also I'd like to quote this

Quote from: theymos on July 21, 2016, 05:17:46 AM

I don't follow altcoins at all, but it seems to me that Ethereum's main problem here was that its economy wasn't backed by very many full nodes at all. See:
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Full_node#Economic_strength
https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-core/features/validation

I'd guess that 99% of ETH owners were using EWallets. This is extremely dangerous, since it gives those EWallets massive control over the network. This is exactly the sort of centralization risk that Bitcoin experts are constantly warning about in relation to the max block size. It is absolutely essential that the economy be backed by many independent full nodes so that miners + a small handful of "major players" can't completely change the currency.

I believe 99% of ethf users were in it for the pump and dump. None had an intent to run nodes, create an economy, build contracts, nothing.

Vitalik has set a precedent. If there's ever child porn, drugs, gambling, etc. The fbi can come straight to his house and he has 0 deniability. He'll be in jail for contempt.

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Quote from: roselee on July 21, 2016, 05:47:17 AM

Quote from: Visdome on July 21, 2016, 02:06:34 AM

Quote from: roselee on July 20, 2016, 11:58:27 PM

was "the dao" independent ? it run on the etherblockchain. it was a organisation. something in the organisation didnt go right. and ethereum devs and miners and insiders decidet that cant be and erased thedao.
yes yes the pro hf will say it was theft but it shows that the comunity decides what is on ether chain and what not. thats not autonom.
the comunity could have chosen the hard way investigate ( some say there are only 500 who had the knowledge to do the attack) and then report that person. but no they saved investment. now what if someone wants to do a privat biz on etherchain? how can someone ever be sure the comunity will not rollback and erase that biz if its not liked ?

the internet like it is now is not censored. ether will be censored.

There is an ethereum Classic coins now. It also has its own chain. So you can do your work on that chain.

i like to post here . Grin

As low paid troll is doing well! Well that ETH is on the rise and cents it is lifted, otherwise I'd take this clown seriously! Grin

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Quote from: Visdome on July 21, 2016, 02:06:34 AM

Quote from: roselee on July 20, 2016, 11:58:27 PM

was "the dao" independent ? it run on the etherblockchain. it was a organisation. something in the organisation didnt go right. and ethereum devs and miners and insiders decidet that cant be and erased thedao.
yes yes the pro hf will say it was theft but it shows that the comunity decides what is on ether chain and what not. thats not autonom.
the comunity could have chosen the hard way investigate ( some say there are only 500 who had the knowledge to do the attack) and then report that person. but no they saved investment. now what if someone wants to do a privat biz on etherchain? how can someone ever be sure the comunity will not rollback and erase that biz if its not liked ?

the internet like it is now is not censored. ether will be censored.

There is an ethereum Classic coins now. It also has its own chain. So you can do your work on that chain.

i like to post here . Grin

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Quote from: sock54321 on July 21, 2016, 05:16:48 AM

Which one is the real coin now?

I don't know.
What I know, however, is that supporters of the original ethcoin can attack the hf ethcoin in a court of law.

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My thoughts on the lesson to be learned from the hardfork and how to choose your chain:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-etc-ethereum-classic-immutable-smart-contracts-1559630

this speaks for itself

http://www.coindesk.com/dao-stakeholders-begin-withdrawing-their-ethers/

Prior to its mid-June collapse, The DAO had an estimated 23,574 users who had purchased DAO tokens, and would therefore be eligible for refunds. Should the withdrawal transaction figures represent individual users, this would mean roughly 5% of DAO users have now received refunds.

That such a small number of users could withdraw nearly half of the smart contract's ether funds is not surprising.

Those funds were originally exchanged for DAO tokens during a crowdsale earlier this summer, and while the total The DAO raised was impressive, its number of investors was comparably small.

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wow first a hf done in bankster manner and now forbit criticer to post here ?

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Which one is the real coin now?

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Quote from: becoin on July 21, 2016, 05:08:31 AM

Quote from: frostminer on July 21, 2016, 04:19:41 AM

You misunderstood.

The hacker-thief-supporters which are not the majority, but seemingly a tiny tiny minority paying to look bigger.

You misunderstood.

The "hacker-thief" showed how vulnerable is eth protocol. He deserves award much bigger than $60M! Instead of getting award this person was robbed by hf. Who will trust eth-hf-coin now?

The problem is in the Dao, not on eth side. but i agree the hacker deserve some reward, he should reveal himself so ~~authorities~~ dev can reward him. Tongue

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Quote from: becoin on July 21, 2016, 05:08:31 AM

Quote from: frostminer on July 21, 2016, 04:19:41 AM

You misunderstood.

The hacker-thief-supporters which are not the majority, but seemingly a tiny tiny minority paying to look bigger.

You misunderstood.

The "hacker-thief" showed how vulnerable is eth protocol. He deserves award much bigger than $60M! Instead of getting award this person was robbed by hf. Who will trust eth-hf-coin now?

Patience is key to find out.

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