Topic: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning - page 889. (Read 2007090 times)

Quote from: lordoliver on June 21, 2016, 09:11:16 AM

let me understand..

soft fork = all eth on dao frozen and dao holders f**ked
hard fork= dao holders refunded
right?

Yes. But for the soft fork, the DAO holders can use the DAO not yet stolen. They will lose about 3.6 million coins.

Yes, with soft fork all investors lose 3.6 million eth. If the attacker doesnt decide to drain all that is left, what he can still do since nothing has been done to prevent this.
He gets nothing, investors in the DAO lose over 11 million ETH + the price drop of ETH that allready happened becouse of this attack. So the attacker will not get anything, but he made people lose over 1 billion $.

Hard fork is only way to make this right. Attacker will get 0, people will be refunded.

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Quote from: noobtrader on June 21, 2016, 09:04:18 AM

Quote from: Mrpumperitis on June 21, 2016, 01:49:01 AM

let me understand..

soft fork = all eth on dao frozen and dao holders f**ked
hard fork= dao holders refunded
right?

Yes. But for the soft fork, the DAO holders can use the DAO not yet stolen. They will lose about 3.6 million coins.

if we decide to soft fork already, why cant we make all dao token frozen unless sent to certain address hold by dev. then token can be moved by whatever mean without hardfork Huh

I think the best would be to soft fork and burn all ETH locking them in the contracts forever after this desaster and ETH price declining. I also invested in DAO, but still.
ETH would be more scarce and every ETH holder gets more worth.
Of course then anyone, who invested all his money in DAO and didn't keep ETH is fucked, but honestly... I don't think anyone should have done that...

Are you a miner? If you are, you can help that to happen. There is a voting going on with the mining power.

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Quote from: becoin on June 21, 2016, 01:42:01 AM

But why all the hassle? Just sell your ethers and move to some other altcoin, if you're altcoin lover. There are hundreds of them and much more secure than ethers.

can suggest some...pleeeeeease

BURSTCOIN is the answer. It's always been there waiting for you.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1323657.0;topicseen

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Quote from: lordoliver on June 21, 2016, 09:11:16 AM

Quote from: noobtrader on June 21, 2016, 09:04:18 AM

Quote from: noobtrader on June 21, 2016, 09:04:18 AM

let me understand..

soft fork = all eth on dao frozen and dao holders f**ked
hard fork= dao holders refunded
right?

Yes. But for the soft fork, the DAO holders can use the DAO not yet stolen. They will lose about 3.6 million coins.

if we decide to soft fork already, why cant we make all dao token frozen unless sent to certain address hold by dev. then token can be moved by whatever mean without hardfork

I think the best would be to burn all ETH in the contracts after this desaster and ETH price declining. I also invested in DAO, but still.
ETH would be more scarce and every ETH holder gets more worth. Anyone, who invested all his money in DAO and didn't keep ETH is fucked, but honestly... I don't think anyone should have done that...

yes they invest more than what they willing to lose.
i dont invest in DAO either, and i do prefer burning the eth. however i think returning those eth will be more morally correct atm, and should be do able without hardfork if my idea is doable.

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let me understand..

soft fork = all eth on dao frozen and dao holders f**ked
hard fork= dao holders refunded
right?

Yes. But for the soft fork, the DAO holders can use the DAO not yet stolen. They will lose about 3.6 million coins.

if we decide to soft fork already, why cant we make all dao token frozen unless sent to certain address hold by dev. then token can be moved by whatever mean without hardfork Huh

I think the best would be to soft fork and burn all ETH locking them in the contracts forever after this desaster and ETH price declining. I also invested in DAO, but still.
ETH would be more scarce and every ETH holder gets more worth.
Of course then anyone, who invested all his money in DAO and didn't keep ETH is fucked, but honestly... I don't think anyone should have done that...

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let me understand..

soft fork = all eth on dao frozen and dao holders f**ked
hard fork= dao holders refunded
right?

Yes. But for the soft fork, the DAO holders can use the DAO not yet stolen. They will lose about 3.6 million coins.

if we decide to soft fork already, why cant we make all dao token frozen unless sent to certain address hold by dev. then token can be moved by whatever mean without hardfork Huh

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let me understand..

soft fork = all eth on dao frozen and dao holders f**ked
hard fork= dao holders refunded
right?

Yes. But for the soft fork, the DAO holders can use the DAO not yet stolen. They will lose about 3.6 million coins.

so dao holders instead of lose all, they will refund with only about 70%? ( if some attacks will not happen again)

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Yes I am a pirate, 300 years too late!

let me understand..

soft fork = all eth on dao frozen and dao holders f**ked
hard fork= dao holders refunded
right?
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let me understand..

soft fork = all eth on dao frozen and dao holders f**ked
hard fork= dao holders refunded
right?

If they do a hard fork is it on DAO or ETH?

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Quote from: Bokelka on June 21, 2016, 06:10:26 AM

let me understand..

soft fork = all eth on dao frozen and dao holders f**ked
hard fork= dao holders refunded
right?

Yes. But for the soft fork, the DAO holders can use the DAO not yet stolen. They will lose about 3.6 million coins.

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let me understand..

soft fork = all eth on dao frozen and dao holders f**ked
hard fork= dao holders refunded
right?

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Quote from: becoin on June 21, 2016, 04:09:33 AM

Quote from: FruitBucket on June 21, 2016, 03:44:56 AM

Quote from: Seggbek Ur on June 20, 2016, 03:40:15 PM

Pleasem hard fork it. thanks!

If Ethereum decides to go with a hard fork I will lose all confidence in this token, forever.

Soft fork is fine with me, it will give a warning to hackers that they will not gain from their criminal activities.

Criminal activity is a category created by law; in other words, something is a crime if declared as such by the relevant and applicable law. Such activities are forbidden and punishable by law. Are ethereum smart contracts forbidden and punishable by law?

The contract law could indicate a contract should be fair to both parties. If the law thinks it is unfair, then the contract is invalid.

Smart contracts are computer protocols that facilitate, verify, or enforce the negotiation or performance of a contract. How will you prove that ethereum computer protocol is unfair? How will you prove open source computer code that calculates 2+2=4 is unfair?

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Quote from: Sm00kew on June 16, 2016, 02:36:14 PM

Quote from: geenius on June 16, 2016, 02:31:58 PM

Guys, is there a possibility to move Ethereum address to another wallet? Something like in a QT-Wallet where you can export private keys and import them into new wallet.

The original Ethereum wallet was on 64bit Windows PC which was not mine (company owned) and I have 32bit Windows. Do you think that this could be some problem too?

Thank you very much

Gee

Just copy file from keystore to another keystore on other computer Wink

Thank you, but unfortunately it did not work. Looks like I still have to create a new account. There is "You have accounts yet". Am I missing something?
Thank you

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Quote from: becoin on June 21, 2016, 04:09:33 AM

Quote from: FruitBucket on June 21, 2016, 03:44:56 AM

Quote from: Seggbek Ur on June 20, 2016, 03:40:15 PM

Pleasem hard fork it. thanks!

If Ethereum decides to go with a hard fork I will lose all confidence in this token, forever.

Soft fork is fine with me, it will give a warning to hackers that they will not gain from their criminal activities.

Criminal activity is a category created by law; in other words, something is a crime if declared as such by the relevant and applicable law. Such activities are forbidden and punishable by law. Are ethereum smart contracts forbidden and punishable by law?

The contract law could indicate a contract should be fair to both parties. If the law thinks it is unfair, then the contract is invalid.

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Quote from: FruitBucket on June 21, 2016, 03:44:56 AM

Quote from: Seggbek Ur on June 20, 2016, 03:40:15 PM

Pleasem hard fork it. thanks!

If Ethereum decides to go with a hard fork I will lose all confidence in this token, forever.

Soft fork is fine with me, it will give a warning to hackers that they will not gain from their criminal activities.

Criminal activity is a category created by law; in other words, something is a crime if declared as such by the relevant and applicable law. Such activities are forbidden and punishable by law. Are ethereum smart contracts forbidden and punishable by law?

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