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legendary
Activity: 2856
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   Catch the correct view with bitsmedia Russia, where I also defend the light side of the force:
   "I read and was so surprised that I decided to register and add my 5 cents. In DAO almost not invest, only a few coins put in to see how tokens are awarded, so the personal interest do not have. However, reading the comments that "attacking" the genius and his need to release with three million Ethereum, I am amazed. Even more amazed by the opinion that if you make softporn or hardwork and return those coins then lost confidence in the coin, price will crash and all is lost." My opinion is opposite - if the creators of the coin will not do anything to recover stolen, then how can there be confidence in the coin? The creators of coin to take care of her and fix errors as well as possible consequences, caused by the error code. This is done all over the world in all fields. Do you think that the hacker finding the vulnerability, earned all the money he could obtain, exploiting her? It is not, and to believe so is impossible, because it is a dead end. Think, if you think so, then you cannot look for those who steal money from credit cards, those who spread viruses and botnets, those who Rob banks. They all found holes in the system, the rules created by other people and use them for personal gain. They always find flaws in systems and rules, and always will be. All programs, smart contracts, etc are created by people, they will ALWAYS be holes. No need to talk about some ideal system, they say it is a problem of the DAO that it was a hole. Holes will always and everywhere, we live in an imperfect world. Perfect code? Ask any programmer can write something more complicated calculator without a single bug, and if he has at least a few years of experience, the answer will be negative. I know whereof I speak.
So if you found a hole and took the money not belonging to you, you're a thief. Don't you agree? Then do it and then tell the court that you are not a scammer. Read the definition of the word.
   If you believe that this all only applies to ethics and cryptocurrencies it doesn't have to touch - then look at the history of cryptocurrency. Them code again is created by people, and again there were, are and will be bugs. Why do developers fix them? Not to steal your money. Have to do that? Of course it is necessary. What to do if you steal still have time? You need to try to reduce the damage to return the money, as usual in this world. Why cryptocurrency needs to obey other laws? They are part of our life, our imperfect world, and so they need to employ the same centuries-old universal laws. Otherwise, time and again, hackers will with impunity, steal your money, just undermining the credibility of the cryptocurrency in General.
The cries that Vitalik will be able to do anything with the coin nonsense. About it decide Pula exchange. Some pools have voted and the results show that the majority of people are friends with the logic, consider that stolen need to be returned. This is not the collapse of the coin. This is a normal management. Decentralization does not mean that everything should be left to chance, management still should be, and it has long is, in fact, the developers manage the coin, releasing new versions, introducing new features, fixing bugs.
   Read the comments that blame Vitalik, they say he's their money, and once the hacker was able to get the money they. Code people write. Bugs will always be. This is normal (unfortunately). And the one who exploits vulnerability should not take the money because he was a thief, and he took not his own. You cannot declare your taking using the vulnerability, a hole, a bug; the world is an ordinary crime.
   I don't understand why there are people who think that the thief must pay what he stole, and as a lesson to strengthen control over the code. Yes usesite control as you want, there will still be bugs to find and to steal, anyway. The banking system is proof, and there write code intelligent people."
Excellent post.
I am also considering legal action, if the hacker comes forward and reveals himself.

So that Romanian guy is not the actual culprit?

He maybe, but its not 100% yet.
The hacker has said they would go to court, if they do then the identity will be revealed...if that happens then i will make my case against the hacker. Im sure there will be many more doing the same.
hero member
Activity: 868
Merit: 1000
   Catch the correct view with bitsmedia Russia, where I also defend the light side of the force:
   "I read and was so surprised that I decided to register and add my 5 cents. In DAO almost not invest, only a few coins put in to see how tokens are awarded, so the personal interest do not have. However, reading the comments that "attacking" the genius and his need to release with three million Ethereum, I am amazed. Even more amazed by the opinion that if you make softporn or hardwork and return those coins then lost confidence in the coin, price will crash and all is lost." My opinion is opposite - if the creators of the coin will not do anything to recover stolen, then how can there be confidence in the coin? The creators of coin to take care of her and fix errors as well as possible consequences, caused by the error code. This is done all over the world in all fields. Do you think that the hacker finding the vulnerability, earned all the money he could obtain, exploiting her? It is not, and to believe so is impossible, because it is a dead end. Think, if you think so, then you cannot look for those who steal money from credit cards, those who spread viruses and botnets, those who Rob banks. They all found holes in the system, the rules created by other people and use them for personal gain. They always find flaws in systems and rules, and always will be. All programs, smart contracts, etc are created by people, they will ALWAYS be holes. No need to talk about some ideal system, they say it is a problem of the DAO that it was a hole. Holes will always and everywhere, we live in an imperfect world. Perfect code? Ask any programmer can write something more complicated calculator without a single bug, and if he has at least a few years of experience, the answer will be negative. I know whereof I speak.
So if you found a hole and took the money not belonging to you, you're a thief. Don't you agree? Then do it and then tell the court that you are not a scammer. Read the definition of the word.
   If you believe that this all only applies to ethics and cryptocurrencies it doesn't have to touch - then look at the history of cryptocurrency. Them code again is created by people, and again there were, are and will be bugs. Why do developers fix them? Not to steal your money. Have to do that? Of course it is necessary. What to do if you steal still have time? You need to try to reduce the damage to return the money, as usual in this world. Why cryptocurrency needs to obey other laws? They are part of our life, our imperfect world, and so they need to employ the same centuries-old universal laws. Otherwise, time and again, hackers will with impunity, steal your money, just undermining the credibility of the cryptocurrency in General.
The cries that Vitalik will be able to do anything with the coin nonsense. About it decide Pula exchange. Some pools have voted and the results show that the majority of people are friends with the logic, consider that stolen need to be returned. This is not the collapse of the coin. This is a normal management. Decentralization does not mean that everything should be left to chance, management still should be, and it has long is, in fact, the developers manage the coin, releasing new versions, introducing new features, fixing bugs.
   Read the comments that blame Vitalik, they say he's their money, and once the hacker was able to get the money they. Code people write. Bugs will always be. This is normal (unfortunately). And the one who exploits vulnerability should not take the money because he was a thief, and he took not his own. You cannot declare your taking using the vulnerability, a hole, a bug; the world is an ordinary crime.
   I don't understand why there are people who think that the thief must pay what he stole, and as a lesson to strengthen control over the code. Yes usesite control as you want, there will still be bugs to find and to steal, anyway. The banking system is proof, and there write code intelligent people."
Excellent post.
I am also considering legal action, if the hacker comes forward and reveals himself.

So that Romanian guy is not the actual culprit?
legendary
Activity: 2856
Merit: 1075
    Catch the correct view with bitsmedia Russia, where I also defend the light side of the force:
   "I read and was so surprised that I decided to register and add my 5 cents. In DAO almost not invest, only a few coins put in to see how tokens are awarded, so the personal interest do not have. However, reading the comments that "attacking" the genius and his need to release with three million Ethereum, I am amazed. Even more amazed by the opinion that if you make softporn or hardwork and return those coins then lost confidence in the coin, price will crash and all is lost." My opinion is opposite - if the creators of the coin will not do anything to recover stolen, then how can there be confidence in the coin? The creators of coin to take care of her and fix errors as well as possible consequences, caused by the error code. This is done all over the world in all fields. Do you think that the hacker finding the vulnerability, earned all the money he could obtain, exploiting her? It is not, and to believe so is impossible, because it is a dead end. Think, if you think so, then you cannot look for those who steal money from credit cards, those who spread viruses and botnets, those who Rob banks. They all found holes in the system, the rules created by other people and use them for personal gain. They always find flaws in systems and rules, and always will be. All programs, smart contracts, etc are created by people, they will ALWAYS be holes. No need to talk about some ideal system, they say it is a problem of the DAO that it was a hole. Holes will always and everywhere, we live in an imperfect world. Perfect code? Ask any programmer can write something more complicated calculator without a single bug, and if he has at least a few years of experience, the answer will be negative. I know whereof I speak.
So if you found a hole and took the money not belonging to you, you're a thief. Don't you agree? Then do it and then tell the court that you are not a scammer. Read the definition of the word.
   If you believe that this all only applies to ethics and cryptocurrencies it doesn't have to touch - then look at the history of cryptocurrency. Them code again is created by people, and again there were, are and will be bugs. Why do developers fix them? Not to steal your money. Have to do that? Of course it is necessary. What to do if you steal still have time? You need to try to reduce the damage to return the money, as usual in this world. Why cryptocurrency needs to obey other laws? They are part of our life, our imperfect world, and so they need to employ the same centuries-old universal laws. Otherwise, time and again, hackers will with impunity, steal your money, just undermining the credibility of the cryptocurrency in General.
The cries that Vitalik will be able to do anything with the coin nonsense. About it decide Pula exchange. Some pools have voted and the results show that the majority of people are friends with the logic, consider that stolen need to be returned. This is not the collapse of the coin. This is a normal management. Decentralization does not mean that everything should be left to chance, management still should be, and it has long is, in fact, the developers manage the coin, releasing new versions, introducing new features, fixing bugs.
   Read the comments that blame Vitalik, they say he's their money, and once the hacker was able to get the money they. Code people write. Bugs will always be. This is normal (unfortunately). And the one who exploits vulnerability should not take the money because he was a thief, and he took not his own. You cannot declare your taking using the vulnerability, a hole, a bug; the world is an ordinary crime.
   I don't understand why there are people who think that the thief must pay what he stole, and as a lesson to strengthen control over the code. Yes usesite control as you want, there will still be bugs to find and to steal, anyway. The banking system is proof, and there write code intelligent people."
Excellent post.
I am also considering legal action, if the hacker comes forward and reveals himself.
newbie
Activity: 81
Merit: 0
Cryptopia ETH Markets are closing, please cancel all open ETH orders.

Full Statement:
https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/Forum/Thread/675

Well written statement outlining their valid reasons for delisting.  It won't have any effect on Etherium but I completely understand the reasoning behind it.  Any fork or rollback invalidates decentralization which has been a cornerstone of Ethereum since it's inception.


cryptopia is not in the wrong here in my opinion.

Many people will not trade cryptopia if it thinks it is lawful to steal other people's money due to wrong implementation of a contract.
hero member
Activity: 616
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    Catch the correct view with bitsmedia Russia, where I also defend the light side of the force:
   "I read and was so surprised that I decided to register and add my 5 cents. In DAO almost not invest, only a few coins put in to see how tokens are awarded, so the personal interest do not have. However, reading the comments that "attacking" the genius and his need to release with three million Ethereum, I am amazed. Even more amazed by the opinion that if you make softporn or hardwork and return those coins then lost confidence in the coin, price will crash and all is lost." My opinion is opposite - if the creators of the coin will not do anything to recover stolen, then how can there be confidence in the coin? The creators of coin to take care of her and fix errors as well as possible consequences, caused by the error code. This is done all over the world in all fields. Do you think that the hacker finding the vulnerability, earned all the money he could obtain, exploiting her? It is not, and to believe so is impossible, because it is a dead end. Think, if you think so, then you cannot look for those who steal money from credit cards, those who spread viruses and botnets, those who Rob banks. They all found holes in the system, the rules created by other people and use them for personal gain. They always find flaws in systems and rules, and always will be. All programs, smart contracts, etc are created by people, they will ALWAYS be holes. No need to talk about some ideal system, they say it is a problem of the DAO that it was a hole. Holes will always and everywhere, we live in an imperfect world. Perfect code? Ask any programmer can write something more complicated calculator without a single bug, and if he has at least a few years of experience, the answer will be negative. I know whereof I speak.
So if you found a hole and took the money not belonging to you, you're a thief. Don't you agree? Then do it and then tell the court that you are not a scammer. Read the definition of the word.
   If you believe that this all only applies to ethics and cryptocurrencies it doesn't have to touch - then look at the history of cryptocurrency. Them code again is created by people, and again there were, are and will be bugs. Why do developers fix them? Not to steal your money. Have to do that? Of course it is necessary. What to do if you steal still have time? You need to try to reduce the damage to return the money, as usual in this world. Why cryptocurrency needs to obey other laws? They are part of our life, our imperfect world, and so they need to employ the same centuries-old universal laws. Otherwise, time and again, hackers will with impunity, steal your money, just undermining the credibility of the cryptocurrency in General.
The cries that Vitalik will be able to do anything with the coin nonsense. About it decide Pula exchange. Some pools have voted and the results show that the majority of people are friends with the logic, consider that stolen need to be returned. This is not the collapse of the coin. This is a normal management. Decentralization does not mean that everything should be left to chance, management still should be, and it has long is, in fact, the developers manage the coin, releasing new versions, introducing new features, fixing bugs.
   Read the comments that blame Vitalik, they say he's their money, and once the hacker was able to get the money they. Code people write. Bugs will always be. This is normal (unfortunately). And the one who exploits vulnerability should not take the money because he was a thief, and he took not his own. You cannot declare your taking using the vulnerability, a hole, a bug; the world is an ordinary crime.
   I don't understand why there are people who think that the thief must pay what he stole, and as a lesson to strengthen control over the code. Yes usesite control as you want, there will still be bugs to find and to steal, anyway. The banking system is proof, and there write code intelligent people."
legendary
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This is beta and there's no way to test-net it. The DOA is essentially the devs baby and Romanian piece of shit scammers don't get to keep $55 million worth of ETH that doesn't belong to them.
legendary
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Cryptopia ETH Markets are closing, please cancel all open ETH orders.

Full Statement:
https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/Forum/Thread/675

Well written statement outlining their valid reasons for delisting.  It won't have any effect on Etherium but I completely understand the reasoning behind it.  Any fork or rollback invalidates decentralization which has been a cornerstone of Ethereum since it's inception.


cryptopia is not in the wrong here in my opinion.
in mine too
i read vitaliks blog
he told of a list of bugs that need to be solved with a hardfork but he does not say roll back for dao only
a bailout for dao investors with a rollback is very very bad
then crypto is not better then the banksters and goverments

did someone rollback mtgox ? or bter ? or what ever hack there was ?
legendary
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Cryptopia ETH Markets are closing, please cancel all open ETH orders.

Full Statement:
https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/Forum/Thread/675

Well written statement outlining their valid reasons for delisting.  It won't have any effect on Etherium but I completely understand the reasoning behind it.  Any fork or rollback invalidates decentralization which has been a cornerstone of Ethereum since it's inception.


cryptopia is not in the wrong here in my opinion.
legendary
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Merit: 1001
Cryptopia ETH Markets are closing, please cancel all open ETH orders.

Full Statement:
https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/Forum/Thread/675

Well written statement outlining their valid reasons for delisting.  It won't have any effect on Etherium but I completely understand the reasoning behind it.  Any fork or rollback invalidates decentralization which has been a cornerstone of Ethereum since it's inception.
sr. member
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hero member
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Let's go ethereum it's time to pump!


+++ 30 dollars+
member
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Cryptopia ETH Markets are closing, please cancel all open ETH orders.

Full Statement:
https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/Forum/Thread/675

Cryptopia...who are they..lol i just checked them out now..looks like crapsty to me...trumpcoin is up 3900% there, dump eth for trump....lol
omg cant you see what is happening
does it matter what they are ?
ether gets big damage
and that not from the dao desaster
it gets it becouse of how they act now



It really doesn't matter what they are.

Eth trade volume is so large, and this exchange still delists it, knowing that they will earn much less by staying away from Eth.

It's too obvious which one, Eth dev team or this exchange, people should respect more.
legendary
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Let's go ethereum it's time to pump!
sr. member
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Eth PoW maybe closed,PoS only open if dev get fork.Unnoficialy hacker who get 3 milion token ETH offering 1 milion ETH and 100 BTC not to closed PoW.But i dont know when and wher wil be voting.

That is too little. He should offer all the Ethereum he stole and plus the 1000 bitcoin profit he made by shorting Eth.
full member
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What is going to happen with other ethereum bases cryptos, like Plutus for example.
It was to open ICO today?
full member
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Eth PoW maybe closed,PoS only open if dev get fork.Unnoficialy hacker who get 3 milion token ETH offering 1 milion ETH and 100 BTC not to closed PoW.But i dont know when and wher wil be voting.

The PoW will not be close until some time next year. That was planned. It is still PoW mining. I will not accept the bribe from thief.
legendary
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what is this "brake pedal" you speak of?
Cryptopia ETH Markets are closing, please cancel all open ETH orders.

Full Statement:
https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/Forum/Thread/675

Cryptopia...who are they..lol i just checked them out now..looks like crapsty to me...trumpcoin is up 3900% there, dump eth for trump....lol

Cryptopia has earned respect in the community for doing what is the correct thing to do without looking left and right.
I think they will gain more support in the future.

im opening an account there today. found me a new exchange.

i have eth and dao tokens. i always kiss goodby any crypto "investments" so im just watching all this for lulz now
newbie
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I believe Cryptopia delisted Dash too,   they were in the bed with monero or something... and i think most troll in this thread also monero ppl

You're just butthurt.



people offering recursive call contracts here btw: http://pastebin.com/9MRVDC9h
legendary
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I believe Cryptopia delisted Dash too,   they were in the bed with monero or something... and i think most troll in this thread also monero ppl
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