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sr. member
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I still don't understand why ETH is helping a 3rd party software team to recover funds THEY lost due to lack of testing/unit testing

This tells me 1 thing.. ETH considers the marketcap of their project to be more important than adoption/principals of their platform, simple really

This decision is entirely based on money, yes money, fiat, that thing we are trying to replace with crypto is swaying the decisions of crypto now.

Everyone seem to be mentioning how much $USD they lost, how much BTC they lost or will lose, no one seems concerned that ETH is the first crypto to implement blacklists

Will the blacklists stop at transaction(s), or will it extent to addresses, countries, ip's, political parties???

ETH took BTC and turned it into FIAT, Awesome work.
I think you dont understand is that ETH is still in development and changes like this must be made now to make ETH stronger and more secure for the future.

ETH is not broken is it?, I thought DAO lost the ETH, Are you saying ETH is broken?


Tell me why ETH is involved in a 3rd party software losing ETH, why are they recovering ETH for someone that lost it, will they recover mine if I lose my ETH wallet, or do I have to have a certain % of ETH to apply for the ETH refund shceme.

If I lost my ETH, tough luck, If I lose enough ETH to impact the marketcap, rollback, hardfork and refund.

Rich get rich, poor get poorer, BankCoin
tbh im not explaining this to anyone now, its basically your opinion vs mine.
ETH is at a gd price, if you have some and are not happy...sell, goto fiat or btc or take a chance on another alt
ETH will continue doing what it feels is best for its community while in development.
By voting a fair chance is being given to everyone to decide what to do next.  http://ethpool.org/stats/votes


This is the entire problem, WTF does price have to do with anything, you are also are motivated by greed.

I never cared about the price, I was excited about creating an autonomous company, but since I cant guarantee it will be their forever and cannot be changed, I need to search for a blockchain similar that offers guaranteed immutability, I cant have my smart contract disappearing and my funds lost because I got soft forked out of existence.

"The majority of the miners did not like your contract, so not its not processed by the network" Awesome

None of you care about the ETH platform and what it could be, you all care about trading and making money.

Sad and depressing.
legendary
Activity: 2856
Merit: 1075
I still don't understand why ETH is helping a 3rd party software team to recover funds THEY lost due to lack of testing/unit testing

This tells me 1 thing.. ETH considers the marketcap of their project to be more important than adoption/principals of their platform, simple really

This decision is entirely based on money, yes money, fiat, that thing we are trying to replace with crypto is swaying the decisions of crypto now.

Everyone seem to be mentioning how much $USD they lost, how much BTC they lost or will lose, no one seems concerned that ETH is the first crypto to implement blacklists

Will the blacklists stop at transaction(s), or will it extent to addresses, countries, ip's, political parties???

ETH took BTC and turned it into FIAT, Awesome work.
I think you dont understand is that ETH is still in development and changes like this must be made now to make ETH stronger and more secure for the future.

ETH is not broken is it?, I thought DAO lost the ETH, Are you saying ETH is broken?


Tell me why ETH is involved in a 3rd party software losing ETH, why are they recovering ETH for someone that lost it, will they recover mine if I lose my ETH wallet, or do I have to have a certain % of ETH to apply for the ETH refund shceme.

If I lost my ETH, tough luck, If I lose enough ETH to impact the marketcap, rollback, hardfork and refund.

Rich get rich, poor get poorer, BankCoin
tbh im not explaining this to anyone now, its basically your opinion vs mine.
ETH is at a gd price, if you have some and are not happy...sell, goto fiat or btc or take a chance on another alt
ETH will continue doing what it feels is best for its community while in development.
By voting a fair chance is being given to everyone to decide what to do next.  http://ethpool.org/stats/votes
full member
Activity: 176
Merit: 102
https://www.cryptopia.co.nz
The idea that we somehow support the "attacker" because we don't support ETH's response is fucking absurd.
sr. member
Activity: 355
Merit: 250
I still don't understand why ETH is helping a 3rd party software team to recover funds THEY lost due to lack of testing/unit testing

This tells me 1 thing.. ETH considers the marketcap of their project to be more important than adoption/principals of their platform, simple really

This decision is entirely based on money, yes money, fiat, that thing we are trying to replace with crypto is swaying the decisions of crypto now.

Everyone seem to be mentioning how much $USD they lost, how much BTC they lost or will lose, no one seems concerned that ETH is the first crypto to implement blacklists

Will the blacklists stop at transaction(s), or will it extent to addresses, countries, ip's, political parties???

ETH took BTC and turned it into FIAT, Awesome work.
I think you dont understand is that ETH is still in development and changes like this must be made now to make ETH stronger and more secure for the future.

ETH is not broken is it?, I thought DAO lost the ETH, Are you saying ETH is broken?


Tell me why ETH is involved in a 3rd party software losing ETH, why are they recovering ETH for someone that lost it, will they recover mine if I lose my ETH wallet, or do I have to have a certain % of ETH to apply for the ETH refund shceme.

If I lost my ETH, tough luck, If I lose enough ETH to impact the marketcap, rollback, hardfork and refund.

Rich get rich, poor get poorer, BankCoin
sr. member
Activity: 433
Merit: 250
BTG CEO
The error of Ethereum was to interfere with last bitcoin rally instead of accepting natural depreciation as every other alt in a Bitcoin rally.

Did you see the attack was the night a dump started on Bitcoin from 770 to 740 in hours and Ethereum was skyrocketing to 21 USD?

I dont believe is bad to compete with bitcoin but these dudes semmed rushed, that is why they left security leaks on their dao code too.
legendary
Activity: 2856
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What is absolutely absurd is that their are people of this forum and of some stature that are siding with a thief.  This episode even if I lose all that I invested was worth to see the views of so many people.  That in itself was priceless.  make a list of all those that support the thief an those that support the community.  Speaks volumes on the character of so many people in this space.  


Most are shills, im starting to see the pattern....the minority now that dont want a fork also dont care about the future on how ETH will operate under POS. They may also be from the same group/team of the attacker.
legendary
Activity: 2856
Merit: 1075
I still don't understand why ETH is helping a 3rd party software team to recover funds THEY lost due to lack of testing/unit testing

This tells me 1 thing.. ETH considers the marketcap of their project to be more important than adoption/principals of their platform, simple really

This decision is entirely based on money, yes money, fiat, that thing we are trying to replace with crypto is swaying the decisions of crypto now.

Everyone seem to be mentioning how much $USD they lost, how much BTC they lost or will lose, no one seems concerned that ETH is the first crypto to implement blacklists

Will the blacklists stop at transaction(s), or will it extent to addresses, countries, ip's, political parties???

ETH took BTC and turned it into FIAT, Awesome work.
I think you dont understand is that ETH is still in development and changes like this must be made now to make ETH stronger and more secure for the future.
legendary
Activity: 1453
Merit: 1011
Bitcoin Talks Bullshit Walks
What is absolutely absurd is that their are people of this forum and of some stature that are siding with a thief.  This episode even if I lose all that I invested was worth to see the views of so many people.  That in itself was priceless.  make a list of all those that support the thief an those that support the community.  Speaks volumes on the character of so many people in this space.  

sr. member
Activity: 355
Merit: 250
I still don't understand why ETH is helping a 3rd party software team to recover funds THEY lost due to lack of testing/unit testing

This tells me 1 thing.. ETH considers the marketcap of their project to be more important than adoption/principals of their platform, simple really

This decision is entirely based on money, yes money, fiat, that thing we are trying to replace with crypto is swaying the decisions of crypto now.

Everyone seem to be mentioning how much $USD they lost, how much BTC they lost or will lose, no one seems concerned that ETH is the first crypto to implement blacklists

Will the blacklists stop at transaction(s), or will it extent to addresses, countries, ip's, political parties???

ETH took BTC and turned it into FIAT, Awesome work.
legendary
Activity: 2856
Merit: 1075
Looks like a majority want a SF...im all for it and so are many that i know personally  Smiley

http://ethpool.org/stats/votes

full member
Activity: 176
Merit: 102
https://www.cryptopia.co.nz
 .... if you think so, then you cannot look for those who steal money from credit cards, those who spread viruses and botnets, those who Rob banks. They all found holes in the system, the rules created by other people and use them for personal gain. They always find flaws in systems and rules, and always will be. All programs, smart contracts, etc are created by people, they will ALWAYS be holes. No need to talk about some ideal system, they say it is a problem of the DAO that it was a hole. Holes will always and everywhere, we live in an imperfect world. Perfect code? Ask any programmer can write something more complicated calculator without a single bug, and if he has at least a few years of experience, the answer will be negative. I know whereof I speak.
So if you found a hole and took the money not belonging to you, you're a thief. Don't you agree? Then do it and then tell the court that you are not a scammer. Read the definition of the word...

+1

Agreed 100%,  they were hacker exploiting vulnerabilities. 



Show my one bank or credit card company or payment processor, just one, anywhere in the world, that has terms that state ANYTHING their services allow you to do is legitimate usage and warn that your funds might be stolen and you should use their bank/credit card/payment processor/whatever at your own risk.

It's not a fair comparison. You would never use their services if that were the case. So why are you making this batshit insane exception for the DAO?
legendary
Activity: 1456
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 .... if you think so, then you cannot look for those who steal money from credit cards, those who spread viruses and botnets, those who Rob banks. They all found holes in the system, the rules created by other people and use them for personal gain. They always find flaws in systems and rules, and always will be. All programs, smart contracts, etc are created by people, they will ALWAYS be holes. No need to talk about some ideal system, they say it is a problem of the DAO that it was a hole. Holes will always and everywhere, we live in an imperfect world. Perfect code? Ask any programmer can write something more complicated calculator without a single bug, and if he has at least a few years of experience, the answer will be negative. I know whereof I speak.
So if you found a hole and took the money not belonging to you, you're a thief. Don't you agree? Then do it and then tell the court that you are not a scammer. Read the definition of the word...

+1

Agreed 100%,  they were hacker exploiting vulnerabilities. 

full member
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https://www.cryptopia.co.nz

Have you read the DAO terms? They explicitly state that the DAO's code is the law, anything enabled by the code is legitimate. There can be no wrong implementation of a contract under the DAO's terms. Or do you just not make informed decisions about things you invest it? If so, I have a GREAT investment opportunity for you...

Have you read the White Paper?

Quote
A word of caution, at the outset: the legal status of
DAOs remains the subject of active and vigorous debate
and discussion.
Not everyone shares the same defi nition.
Some have said that they are autonomous code and can
operate independently of legal systems; others have said
that they must be owned or operate by humans or hu-
man created entities. There will be many uses cases, and
the DAO code will develop over time.
Ultimately, how a DAO functions and its legal status will depend on many
factors, including how DAO code is used, where it is used,
and who uses it. This paper does not speculate about
the legal status of DAOs worldwide. This paper is not
intended to o er legal advice or conclusions. Anyone who
uses DAO code will do so at their own risk.

Looks like it makes much the same warnings as the terms do, use at your own risk.
legendary
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Merit: 1040
A Great Time to Start Something!

Have you read the DAO terms? They explicitly state that the DAO's code is the law, anything enabled by the code is legitimate. There can be no wrong implementation of a contract under the DAO's terms. Or do you just not make informed decisions about things you invest it? If so, I have a GREAT investment opportunity for you...

Have you read the White Paper?

Quote
A word of caution, at the outset: the legal status of
DAOs remains the subject of active and vigorous debate
and discussion.
Not everyone shares the same defi nition.
Some have said that they are autonomous code and can
operate independently of legal systems; others have said
that they must be owned or operate by humans or hu-
man created entities. There will be many uses cases, and
the DAO code will develop over time.
Ultimately, how a DAO functions and its legal status will depend on many
factors, including how DAO code is used, where it is used,
and who uses it. This paper does not speculate about
the legal status of DAOs worldwide. This paper is not
intended to o er legal advice or conclusions. Anyone who
uses DAO code will do so at their own risk.


Anyone who
uses DAO code will do so at their own risk.


But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman DAO
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
 Cheesy
legendary
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"Common rogue from Russia with a bare ass."

Have you read the DAO terms? They explicitly state that the DAO's code is the law, anything enabled by the code is legitimate. There can be no wrong implementation of a contract under the DAO's terms. Or do you just not make informed decisions about things you invest it? If so, I have a GREAT investment opportunity for you...

Have you read the White Paper?

Quote
A word of caution, at the outset: the legal status of
DAOs remains the subject of active and vigorous debate
and discussion.
Not everyone shares the same defi nition.
Some have said that they are autonomous code and can
operate independently of legal systems; others have said
that they must be owned or operate by humans or hu-
man created entities. There will be many uses cases, and
the DAO code will develop over time.
Ultimately, how a DAO functions and its legal status will depend on many
factors, including how DAO code is used, where it is used,
and who uses it. This paper does not speculate about
the legal status of DAOs worldwide. This paper is not
intended to o er legal advice or conclusions. Anyone who
uses DAO code will do so at their own risk.
full member
Activity: 176
Merit: 102
https://www.cryptopia.co.nz
Cryptopia ETH Markets are closing, please cancel all open ETH orders.

Full Statement:
https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/Forum/Thread/675

Well written statement outlining their valid reasons for delisting.  It won't have any effect on Etherium but I completely understand the reasoning behind it.  Any fork or rollback invalidates decentralization which has been a cornerstone of Ethereum since it's inception.


cryptopia is not in the wrong here in my opinion.

Many people will not trade cryptopia if it thinks it is lawful to steal other people's money due to wrong implementation of a contract.

Have you read the DAO terms? They explicitly state that the DAO's code is the law, anything enabled by the code is legitimate. There can be no wrong implementation of a contract under the DAO's terms. Or do you just not make informed decisions about things you invest it? If so, I have a GREAT investment opportunity for you...
legendary
Activity: 2114
Merit: 1040
A Great Time to Start Something!
Denial is strong among the ETH?
Ethereum: Welcome to the End?
Too many big mistakes have been made, imo. If the core features are good enough, then someone will make a copy with a clean reputation.
It's over.


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could somebody real briefly answer plz:

In case of SOFTfork: DAO is frozen, no ETH will be refunded?
In case of HARDfork: DAO is frozen, withdrawn and sent to ALL DAO holders? 1:100? Or just to the ones who were stolen their ETH?

Is this correct?!
legendary
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Even more amazed by the opinion that if you make softporn or hardwork and return those coins then lost confidence in the coin, price will crash and all is lost.

Cheesy

Is that google translate or something?
full member
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Pleasem hard fork it. thanks!
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